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firenze
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 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: And the holiday "drought" comes to an end? |
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Seriously, there is an interesting game for virtually every system releasing this week. Even the fucking DREAMCAST.
DC - Trigger Heart
360 - Crackdown (I scoffed, but the demo changed my mind)
Wii - Sonic and the Secret Rings
PS3 - Virtua Fighter 5
PS2 - Real Bout Fatal Fury Collection (Japan only, but hey - first ever port of the excellent Real Bout 2!)
PSP - Monster Kingdom
DS - Izuna (probably the weakest game mentioned, but knowing this forum's love for Mysterious Dungeon games it might be worthwhile)
March is busy as hell too. I better get another job now. |
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GrimmSweeper
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:31 am |
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PC is a platform as well. Why no mention of SUPREME COMMANDER?
Although other than releases across several platforms, it doesn't really have much else coming up. |
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Leau
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:58 am |
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You can go ahead and scoff at Crackdown. It's allowed.
And yeah, March is indeed turning out to be a big month. And for more mainstream PS2 tatses, you've also got God of War 2, Vice City sories, and the Metal Slug Collection.
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Mr. Business
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:53 am |
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| Leau wrote: |
| Vice City sories, and the Metal Slug Collection. |
Oh! Hot! I figured they'd get around to releasing these! My patience has paid off in dividends!
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Craptastic!
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: Re: And the holiday "drought" comes to an end? |
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| firenze wrote: |
| PS2 - Real Bout Fatal Fury Collection (Japan only, but hey - first ever port of the excellent Real Bout 2!) |
The NeoGeo CD received a port of RB2. Granted, it seems to be a bit rare, but it exists! |
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rabite gets whacked!
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:19 am |
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wait, has it been determined that this sonic is actually good?
I ordered Izuna today. I figured it can't be worse than Pokemon MD, so I'm thinking of it as just a portable rogue-like upgrade. |
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another coma
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:23 am |
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guys, I just want you to know that I'm weak and I'm going to buy the new Sonic.
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Leau
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:30 am |
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There's no shame in that. Early word is that the mini-games are pretty useless, but the actuall game is pretty not bad!!
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another coma
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:56 am |
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yeah, fuck the minigames, I don't want to play another minigame compilation on the Wii if I can help it. I'm just hoping the gameplay is somewhat similar to Excite Truck. somehow. that would make this excellent for me.
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schild
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:47 am |
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I argue foulplay on the inclusion of the Wii on this list. Or at least, shennanigans. The Wii drought will never stop. There's been a Ninty [console] drought since the end of the SNES era. For real. It's time to just let go.
That said, go go team DS.
Edit: I see you were talking about gaming (in general), I suppose that's allowed then. But really, Sonic? Does that even count? For any system? |
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gooktime
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:32 pm |
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| yeah, fuck the minigames, I don't want to play another minigame compilation on the Wii if I can help it. I'm just hoping the gameplay is somewhat similar to Excite Truck. somehow. that would make this excellent for me. |
Aye. Minigames are the sort of thing you buy one of and stick it in a draw somewhere for a rainy day or party a bunch of times during the entire life of a console. |
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Mikey
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:58 pm |
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| schild wrote: |
I argue foulplay on the inclusion of the Wii on this list. Or at least, shennanigans. The Wii drought will never stop. There's been a Ninty [console] drought since the end of the SNES era. For real. It's time to just let go.
That said, go go team DS.
Edit: I see you were talking about gaming (in general), I suppose that's allowed then. But really, Sonic? Does that even count? For any system? |
I dunno as far as I can tell there's a Drought for the DS, too. Half of the games I bought this system for have turned into vaporware on me and right now the only thing I'm interested in is the next Pokemon, which makes me a bit sad. |
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SuperWes
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:16 pm |
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| Mikey wrote: |
| Half of the games I bought this system for have turned into vaporware on me |
Does this mean you bought unfinished, unreleased games?
-Wes
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luvcraft
buy my game buy my game me me me
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:46 pm |
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| Mikey wrote: |
| Half of the games I bought this system for have turned into vaporware on me |
Does this mean you bought unfinished, unreleased games? |
You're transposing "for" and "this system", Wes. Read again. :)
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Mikey
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:25 pm |
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| Hell if I had the capacity to buy vaporware games I'd be the happiest gamer ever. |
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SuperWes
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:09 pm |
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| luvcraft wrote: |
| You're transposing "for" and "this system", Wes. Read again. :) |
You're right!
Anyway, the DS is pretty great. If you're given the choice between a DS and Wii (and 360 and PS3), go DS.
I'm curious to know what games got canceled? Other than Metroid Prime: Dread, I can't think of anything that was supposed to exist but doesn't.
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Mikey
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:41 pm |
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Don't get me wrong, I love DS long time. And ok, I exaggerated about 'half' of the games I wanted getting cancelled. But it has been a while since I got a new game for it (Yoshi's Island DS which I got for Xmas - it let me down so I traded it in almost immediately).
And right now judging by release dates there's nothing I want for a few more months, and a few titles that I do want have vague '2007' release dates attached to them. So it's probably going to be a while before I buy another DS game, unless I pick something up on impulse. In other words for me, the Nintendo drought isn't Wii-specific.
One game that went the way of the Dodo was Cerulean Dreams. It was essentially a shmup with light RPG elements and a relationship system which was probably something like Riviera's. Seemed pretty rad to me when I first heard about it, and I added it to the list of games I would eventually buy for my DS.
EDIT: I'm totally open to recommendations though, so if there's anything anyone has picked up for the DS lately that they think I should play, let 'er rip. |
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SuperWes
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:42 pm |
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| Mikey wrote: |
| One game that went the way of the Dodo was Cerulean Dreams. It was essentially a shmup with light RPG elements and a relationship system which was probably something like Riviera's. Seemed pretty rad to me when I first heard about it, and I added it to the list of games I would eventually buy for my DS. |
This sounds pretty neat! It's odd that this is a system seller for you, but it's cool.
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| EDIT: I'm totally open to recommendations though, so if there's anything anyone has picked up for the DS lately that they think I should play, let 'er rip. |
Well, Lunar Knights came out last week and is pretty darn good. Next month Wario: Master of Disguise and Spectrobes are due out, along with Lost in Blue 2 if you trust EB (I expect it to be pushed back). April has SNK vs Capcom Card Fighters and Pokemon. Chibi Robo and Custom Robo might sneak there way somewhere in there too if you're into that sort of thing. Seems like a pretty good post-Christmas lineup to me!
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Mikey
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:57 pm |
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Holy beans, that Wario game looks pretty cool and it went totally under my radar! Graffiti Wario? Oh snap, I'm in just for that.
Good call Mr. Wes.
EDIT: Oh, well it's 'Art' Wario. Still pretty sweet though. |
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icycalm
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:18 pm |
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Other big games:
[Wii] Fire Emblem: Akatsuki no Megami - Feb 22
[PS3] Gundam Musou - Mar 1 |
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SuperWes
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:22 pm |
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| Pikachu wrote: |
| [PS3] Gundam Musou - Mar 1 |
Dynasty Warriors lol
-Wes
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firenze
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: Re: And the holiday "drought" comes to an end? |
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| firenze wrote: |
| PS2 - Real Bout Fatal Fury Collection (Japan only, but hey - first ever port of the excellent Real Bout 2!) |
The NeoGeo CD received a port of RB2. Granted, it seems to be a bit rare, but it exists! |
Well, yeah but... I never really count the Neo CD games as "ports". MVS, AES, Neo CD - they're all SNK systems. And even on Neo CD, the content is identical other than the added loading times. Maybe on a strictly technical level Neo CDs are "ports", but I'm talking mainstream non-SNK consoles here.
At any rate, I'm gonna be very glad to have RB2 again in *ahem* legit form. My AES cart got a hell of a lot of play, but it was a sacrifice in the great "pay for tuition" firesale of 2000.
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| Edit: I see you were talking about gaming (in general), I suppose that's allowed then. But really, Sonic? Does that even count? For any system? |
Sure it counts. I said "interesting". And you must admit, if anything we here at SB do find talking about Sonic interesting, whether it's ideas of how to not make a new Sonic that sucks or just general whining. But this Wii game from many accounts is actually pretty good and gets some of the "old Sonic" feeling. Hell, I'm pretty excited about it. It's the only currently released Wii game that I really want, and I'll almost certainly buy it with my system whenever I get around to picking one up. |
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Mikey
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:48 pm |
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| Yeah, Wii Sonic seems pretty good. |
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Shapermc
crawling in his skin
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:44 pm |
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| Mr. Business wrote: |
| Leau wrote: |
| Vice City sories, and the Metal Slug Collection. |
Oh! Hot! I figured they'd get around to releasing these! My patience has paid off in dividends! |
Last press release I saw for Metal Slug Collection on PS2 (which was this week) had it being released in April. This is the version I'm holding out for.
Also, I really... really want to get Izuna. But I just know I'm going to be disapointed and it's going to carry over all the negative points from Chocobo Mystery Dungeon and Nightmare of Druaga. But Nethack Pocket PC isn't cutting it for me in the portable roguelike division, yet Crawl is keeping me very occupied on the PC. GAHHH!!
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remote
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:45 pm |
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Have you guys all played the demo? The one where you fight the Colossus of Rhodes?
It is quite the thrill ride.
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Strychnine
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:27 pm |
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| B coma wrote: |
| guys, I just want you to know that I'm weak and I'm going to buy the new Sonic. |
Well...did you buy it? I want this game...as I've beaten Zelda and WarioWare requires too much movement when I'm trying to relax.
I can't tell if the reviews are 'average' because the game is horrible and on the Wii, or if the reviews are 'average' because the game is awesome and on the Wii (and a Sonic game).
The preview videos make me believe that it is fun. I want to believe.... |
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another coma
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:43 pm |
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I'm a couple areas in and so far it's a mixed bag. The last Sonic platformer I played was SA 2 and... this might be better than that? I'm going to do some kind of writeup once I make some more progress.
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tacotaskforce
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| Shapermc wrote: |
| Also, I really... really want to get Izuna. But I just know I'm going to be disapointed and it's going to carry over all the negative points from Chocobo Mystery Dungeon and Nightmare of Druaga. But Nethack Pocket PC isn't cutting it for me in the portable roguelike division, yet Crawl is keeping me very occupied on the PC. GAHHH!! |
I don't think it carries over the negative points from those games. I think it makes up new negative points for itself. For example, almost your entire derived ability score comes from your level, and you lose no levels or XP when dying in the dungeon. After having recently died and going through a dungeon again I punched an enemy on the top floor for 315 damage. After that fight I found and equipped a sword with 41 attack points, and I found the same enemy type on the same floor again. This time I hit for 326 damage. I think the game even acknowledges that escaping from a dungeon is barely different from dying in it because I haven't seen escape from dungeon scrolls since my first trek through the second dungeon.
There are no side quests or extra objectives in the game aside from beating the boss of each dungeon. Every enemy in the game is the same level of threat to you except for the tadpoles, which don't bother you at all unless you choose to fight them. The status effects in the game barely make any difference; even the one that removes all your equipment, which would be an almost instantaneous death in most roguelikes, is just a minor temporary ability drain, if even that.
Please, do not buy the game. Hold Atlus USA to a higher level of quality than this. Don't let my reckless spending of $30 go to waste.
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skelethulu
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:11 am |
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| Hey: Virtua Fighter 5 is good OK. It makes me feel like I live in the future. |
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Leau
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:12 am |
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| tacotaskforce wrote: |
| Please, do not buy the game. Hold Atlus USA to a higher level of quality than this. Don't let my reckless spending of $30 go to waste. |
Uhh, I think Atlus needs all the sales it can get. They haven't had an honest hit since Desgaia as far as I can tell. Outside of the fact that every game they publish has teensy production numbers, I can't figure out how they stay afloat.
And not buying Izuna probably wouldn't send the message that Atlus should not publish swishy rougelikes, but rather that they shouldn't publish Rougelikes at all. I mean I would imagine. Or perhaps it'll send the message that advertising an RPG on the merit that you play as a woman is not wise. Seriously, has any one else seen the print ads for Izuna?
And I quote: "Finally, an RPG tough enough for a man, but played as a HOT CHICK!" (Emphasis Atlus, not mine).
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Felix
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:37 am |
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| Leau wrote: |
| tacotaskforce wrote: |
| Please, do not buy the game. Hold Atlus USA to a higher level of quality than this. Don't let my reckless spending of $30 go to waste. |
Uhh, I think Atlus needs all the sales it can get. They haven't had an honest hit since Desgaia as far as I can tell. Outside of the fact that every game they publish has teensy production numbers, I can't figure out how they stay afloat.
And not buying Izuna probably wouldn't send the message that Atlus should not publish swishy rougelikes, but rather that they shouldn't publish Rougelikes at all. I mean I would imagine. Or perhaps it'll send the message that advertising an RPG on the merit that you play as a woman is not wise. Seriously, has any one else seen the print ads for Izuna?
And I quote: "Finally, an RPG tough enough for a man, but played as a HOT CHICK!" (Emphasis Atlus, not mine). |
trauma center got reprinted, didn't it? |
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Leau
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:15 am |
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True, but the reprint didn't happen for almost a year after release, probably because interest had then been piqued for the Wii version (I would conjecture). Compare that to something like the first Pheonix Wright which had to be reprinted multiple times consecutively because so many people wanted it but couldn't get it. Or Desgaia which is STILL $50 (At best) 3 years after its release.
But at any rate, you're absolutely right, I totally forgot about Trauma Center. That would indeed be another game they definately got to the black.
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tacotaskforce
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:32 am |
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| Leau wrote: |
| Uhh, I think Atlus needs all the sales it can get. |
So? I don't own any Atlus stock. I only own Atlus games, and I would prefer to only own good Atlus games.
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| Outside of the fact that every game they publish has teensy production numbers, I can't figure out how they stay afloat. |
That is how they stay afloat: by printing only as many copies of a game as they will sell new, at full price, to their niche market.
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| And not buying Izuna probably wouldn't send the message that Atlus should not publish swishy rougelikes, but rather that they shouldn't publish Rougelikes at all. |
So it's OK for daddy to hit you because next week he might get you a bag of sweets?
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| Or Disaea which is STILL $50 (At best) 3 years after its release. |
No, it's $30 brand new on Atlus's official store
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bort
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Buy more of their "niche" crap to encourage them to produce more of it. That's a pretty fantastic idea.
To tell you the truth I'd be pretty pleased if all they published were Megaten games and just made some more copies. That's the only stuff of their's I haven't been burned by. |
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firenze
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:38 am |
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| To tell you the truth I'd be pretty pleased if all they published were Megaten games and just made some more copies. That's the only stuff of their's I haven't been burned by. |
Yeah, I really don't get this blind Atlus support either. I love me some SMT, and I'll be first in line to pick up my Persona 3, just like I was for Devil Summoner, Nocturne, and the DDS games. Hell, I'll grab Monster Kingdom on the strength of the SMT connection alone. So I guess you can call me a blind fanboy there.
But take a good look at some of Atlus's mediocre (is that a synonym for "niche" these days) recently published releases:
- Deep Labyrinth (ick)
- Metal Saga (eh, nothing special)
- Steambot Chronicles (have you thought about this game in the past 3 months?)
- Magna Carta (I actually like this game, but I'm pretty solidly in the minority I think)
- Atelier Iris 2 (distributed by Atlus for N1, and what a fantastically bland RPG)
- Contact got a lot of hype, but a lot of criticism after it let people down
- Riviera (some people like it, I think it's one of the most awful RPG releases of the past decade)
Now I'm not saying they're always bad. The Summon Night and SRW GBA releases were pleasant surprises, and Trauma Center was deservedly a bit of a sensation. You might disagree with me about some of the above games and think they're really good. But don't give me the "Atlus needs your support" bit. They know what they're doing, and they've been doing it for quite a while.
And frankly, I think they do perhaps deserve a lesson for putting out what seems to be an average at best roguelike and trying to sell it pretty hard with the wacky/pervy/zany/funny anime slant. Those ads really are horrendous. I'd much prefer better marketing support for the games that deserve it in the first place. |
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gooktime
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Has Trauma Centre been reprinted? I wanted to buy the US version as it'll be tons cheaper than the abundantly available EU release.
Is Persona 3 some incredible offering or something? It gets a lot of hype around these parts. |
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Intentionally Wrong
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| schild wrote: |
| I argue foulplay on the inclusion of the Wii on this list. Or at least, shennanigans. The Wii drought will never stop. There's been a Ninty [console] drought since the end of the SNES era. For real. It's time to just let go. |
That strikes me as false. Go look at the game lists at GameFAQs, and you'll see just as many random shovelware games for GameCube as there were for Xbox and PS2, and probably MORE for GBA. Nintendo didn't get as many obscure games from tiny Japanese developers as Sony has, but if you can step out of the battle-worn trenches for a moment and just look for great experiences to have with a controller, you can find 'em on all the platforms.
And really. Saying there's a drought for Wii titles...? The 90-day return window for consoles bought on Day 1 only ended two days ago. Considering how hard it still is to get a console, Sonic and the Secret Rings should be considered a launch title.
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Strychnine
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 7:09 pm |
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| B coma wrote: |
| I'm a couple areas in and so far it's a mixed bag. The last Sonic platformer I played was SA 2 and... this might be better than that? I'm going to do some kind of writeup once I make some more progress. |
Meh. That's too bad. I kind of disliked SA2 for purposefully trying to waste my life by asking me to find levels in their "hub". I'd be interested in that write up if you get around to it. |
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firenze
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 8:54 pm |
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| Is Persona 3 some incredible offering or something? It gets a lot of hype around these parts. |
Well, most of us haven't played the Japanese release as far as I know. But people are getting excited based on the strength of previous Shin Megami Tensei games. There are a lot of fans of Persona 1&2, Nocturne, and the Digital Devil Saga games around here so the new game is getting some froth. General consensus from the Japanese version is that it's not a letdown at all, hence excitement.
Besides, it's cool to like SMT if you're some sort of hipster gamer type and we all know that's all selectbutton is anyway, right? (for the love of god please detect the sarcasm, people!) |
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BenoitRen
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| I kind of disliked SA2 for purposefully trying to waste my life by asking me to find levels in their "hub". |
Sonic Adventure 2 had no hub. The first Sonic Adventure did.
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Strychnine
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| Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:09 am |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
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| I kind of disliked SA2 for purposefully trying to waste my life by asking me to find levels in their "hub". |
Sonic Adventure 2 had no hub. The first Sonic Adventure did. |
You are correct, sir. I fail at internets. For some reason I associate the goo-boss fight in the beginning with 2...with you know...rather than the right game.
I think I'll play that tonight as I last minutely decided to not give in to the regretful purchases that come with post launch console-drought. I probably won't get the saltine cracker to my game starvation that is Secret Rings, until Nintendo stops charging for a full course meal...so to speak. |
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