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Toups
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 Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:30 am Post subject: re: elitism |
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| an angry forum member wrote: |
Seriously, people, what is with all this clinging to mediocrity? Castlevania, Sonic the Hedgehog, Nine Inch Nails... This shit is so un-SB. Or maybe I'm all wrong about SB, and it's just me. I mean, you sound like a bunch of gamers.
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To anyone who feels this way about SB: fuck off.
As far as I am concerned this place has never been defined by what your taste in games is. In fact, I never cease to be surprised by how diverse people's tastes are here when you actually find out the sort of games that average but less vocal posters enjoy.
These forums are not a place for us to jack each other off about how awesome our taste in games is. Neither this website nor the IC forums before it are about self-proclaimed superiority over the rest of the gaming masses. That attitude is not welcome here.
Now, this is not to say that we are not elitists; this is not to say that we don't have higher standards for games than most other people; this is not to say that we don't (for the most part) commonly enjoy certain games over others. We are, and we do. It's simply to say that these aren't reasons to become so close-minded as to dismiss anyone with an opinion that varies from yours, all based on some self-ordained understanding of what's good and what isn't.
I'm starting to see this attitude creep up lately so I thought I'd throw in my two cents.
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Toups
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:46 pm |
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yeah, this thread didn't exist to call out the poster in question (which is why I didn't use his name). I'm just tired of seeing those sorts of comments pop up, and they make the whole board look bad, regardless of whether or not they are jokes. I'm particularly upset about them appearing in frontpage threads, since, you know, those are what people from "the outside" are more likely to read.
people are generally on very good behavior in those threads, too, but for future reference, let's keep the following in mind when posting in force feedback:
-no joke posts, especially of the inside joke variety
-nothing that even resembles trolling. it's okay to disagree, but only do so in a way that contributes positively to the thread.
I will remove any posts which fit into the above categories.
also I hated portrait of ruin but there are "mediocre" game which I "cling to" so I guess I should stop posting here because that's so "un-SB", right?
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Toups
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:15 pm |
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| Eric-Jon Rössel Waugh wrote: |
| Predator Goose wrote: |
| As for my actual contribution to the thread, I'd just like to say that I'm against banning or temp-banning for this kind of behavior. It just doesn't feel like justified censorship. This place isn't protected by the first amendment, but I'd still like to think that it's a place that allows dissenting opinions, even if those opinions have to do with the homogeny of forum opinion. |
Hey, aren't you the guy who got temp-banned for being obnoxious? In exactly the manner discussed in this thread? |
1) if we're thinking of the same situation, then no, he is not
2) in my opinion, the situation that I'm fairly sure you are referring to was really rather unfair and unjustified and had more to do with the general frustration of mods with the board situation at the time (which is entirely understandable).
3)I'm actually complaining about the hive-mind here, sort of! Not so much that it exists (it doesn't!) but that there seems to be this attitude that it should. to my mind people who complain about the "hive-mind" are actually rather justified because this place has that appearance so often!
4)either way, I agree with predator goose that having dissenting opinions is a good thing and is what keeps this place worth browsing! if every thread was just a discussion of how awesome SotC was and how 99% of all other games just don't live up to the potential of the medium, I'd probably just delete this entire fucking website. we need people arguing and exploring each other's viewpoints. this is how new ideas get formed! this is where inspiration often comes from! the problem here is that we sometimes get so stuck up in our idea of what's "right" about videogames that we just outright dismiss people who disagree with it!
and I'm fucking tired of it!
5)conversely, though, the old "sb hivemind lol" argument is just as a bad of a conversational copout, for the very same reasons!
in conclusion, as I've been saying since the day I started this website, please be nice to each other! it's okay to disagree, it's okay for us to have esoteric taste, is okay for there to be a prevailing majority opinion -- just be nice! this is an old community! we have nothing to prove! there's no reason to get offensive or defensive! let's be gentlemen!!!!
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Toups
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:42 pm |
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| internisus wrote: |
I think a more important form of elitism than smacking down people's basic tastes is a presumption that forumgoers or even the forum itself is "above" certain kinds of questions or discussions. This is the prevalent attitude that permits certain people to spam and even flame threads made with sincere intentions to discuss ideas that some obviously consider pretentious.
I mean, look, if I'm not going to be allowed to laugh at Ging for unabashedly adoring Castleroids, then I don't think it should be ok for winker to stalk me and mock my opinions. =(
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I do agree about the idea that certain things "aren't worth" discussing -- I wasn't happy about what happened to the language thread, and in retrospect I should have done more to salvage it.
I mean -- I didn't like that thread, but I just wasn't planning on posting in it! I'd recommend the same course of action for people who feel the same way!
Anyway I'm not putting an absolute moratorium on making fun of people about things -- just know who's toes your stepping on, and be aware of how you come off. the original post I quoted at the start of this thread may have been a joke -- but that doesn't change the fact that it totally derailed and nearly ruined the thread.
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Toups
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:21 pm |
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I only LOVE one thing.
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Toups
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:07 pm |
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| != wrote: |
Toups, about frontpage comments. It would be worthy to make it obvious to posters they are posting on a frontpage discussion, for example via a color-coded scheme. ( blinking red background? ;) )
As for .. Hell, I'm not going to talk about the actual topic. Just, I understood the IC guidelines as trying to set a goal of a certain quality level for contributions/discussions. Enriching discussions rather than contests between arbitratry tastes. |
I absolutely agree.
Also maybe sped-up Jpop in the background?
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Toups
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:25 pm |
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Starting from here on out that's more or less how I plan on doing things.
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Toups
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| Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:03 pm |
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| Mr. Mechanical wrote: |
BenoitRen has a point though. The general atmosphere of this place isn't very friendly to outsiders. This is probably because most of us posting here have been doing so for some time now and are used to everyone else's mannerisms and aware of their opinions and personalities. Things don't seem as hostile to us because we're used to being around in this type of environment.
However, I do have to say that since the IC meltdown things have tended to be a lot more civil in general, now that everyone's aware of just how bad they were seemingly acting before. Trying to keep tone in mind when talking about things over the internet is a bit of a needless hassle, but I don't think it's asking too much for people to not call each other fuckfaces and insult their mothers. |
Yeah, that's more or less how I feel. I don't mind the raging debates -- in fact, I like them a lot! When an argument gets heated it's pretty fucking awesome. But there's still a line there that we need to remember not to cross.
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Toups
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:38 am |
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I like them both for different reasons.
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Toups
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 5:31 am |
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| Hot Stott Bot wrote: |
| Toups, this is just like the boob/ass thread all over again. |
Wait I thought this WAS the boob/ass thread.
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