[TXTSWORD]

We're all friends? All of us? :)

I don't even know you!

It's nice to have friends.

[diplo]

If Adi hates DP with a passion incomprehensible I'm even more intrigued

[TXTSWORD]

Let's all pitch in to open a jazz longue/bar called galaxy of terror with live bands that cover deadry premonition songs.

[Ronnoc]

Problem is, Galaxy of Terror is already a homage to a terrible Alien rip-off mostly famous for having a tentacle-rape scene.

Oh hey, my first post on SB was in this topic pointing out the same thing!

[Lasakon]

Galaxy of Terror is actually pretty good, it has some awesome matte paintings at the very least.
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[Ronnoc]

No, it is terrible.

[Ronnoc]

(I don't remember it at all)

[TXTSWORD]

I don't see how that's a problem.

[Ronnoc]

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/features/hotspot/index.php?id=2101&tag=topslot;thumb;3
Swery was on the latest Gamespot podcast.

[Schwere Viper]

He loves us all. :3
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[Adilegian]

I'm giving this another try, seriously this time. I'm on Episode 3, and I think I hate as much about the game as I like.

I don't think there's anything that I love about it yet.
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[diplo]

might as well

[zombieman000]

Getting York's car fixed+the upgrades was so worth it.

[TXTSWORD]

Giving this a second playthrough :)

But I find myself wishing that 100%ing the game would give you a time machine that allows York to go back in time and bring justice to greenvale before anyone but anna can be harmed.

[Adilegian]

[diplo]

Adilegian I do not think you are going to enjoy anything about the game's final moments, narratively and mechanically. I did not, anyway. So that's what you have to look forward to!

[Adilegian]

I'm actually dreading the "mechanically" part more than the "narratively." I hate QTEs.
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[Adilegian]

I almost can't believe that I just saw evil George go super saiyan tengo.
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[diplo]

oh god. you're almost at the point i'm talking about
but yeah that
i just

[Adilegian]

I've just run down the stairs with the massive QTE sequence against bigspawn Kaysen, and now I'm on top of the demolished belltower fighting Staypuff Marshmallow Kaysen.

I'm annoyed that the choice you're given between shooting Keysen or Emily is false, since nothing about choosing the Kaysen option should prevent the Emily scenario from occurring. Stupid.

I'm also grossed out that the game covers traditional rape-soiling ideas with its own conceits with the red tree growing out of Emily's abdomen.
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[Adilegian]

Just beat it.

I need someone to explain to me why they think that game was good. It struck me as bad in virtually every respect.

I don't think I've this strongly disliked a game in a long time.
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[TXTSWORD]

go away :C

[smartblue]

TXTSWORD please remove the stick up your butt and try to humor other people''s opinions instead of being such a bully. I don't think you don't know him well enough to joke like that.
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[analogos]

[TXTSWORD]

We played some mgo together if that counts :\

Honestly I don't fault a single person for not liking Deadly Premonition. I loved it, but it breaks just about every rule I have for what makes a good/bad game. His criticisms are all valid and the things I loved about the game are intensely personal and subjective.

I apologize if the post that I felt was somewhat innocent was taken as "bullying" or offended anyone. That certainly wasn't my intention.

[smartblue]

I imagine this game's appeal lies in its kitch factor, perhaps in the same way people like Troma movies. Few people play this for its primary mechanics, shooting zombies and such. The draw to me was always in the bizarre world you explore, as a bizarre character who has bizarre introspective dialogue. I too found myself disgusted at the things you found issue with toward the end, but I'm not as judgmental towards its themes since that isn't my main draw.

I don't know man. It is a cult favorite, and you aren't being forced to love it. I would love to hear more about your hate.
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[analogos]

the thing about the kitsch appeal is that everything about the game that isn't just a second-rate twin peaks is a fifth-rate something else. it's not like it's riding on the virtue of its own inexplicable brand of quirkiness heretofore unseen.

[smartblue]

Sorry TXT, on the surface that seemed uncalled for and out of the blue.

I wanna play MGO sometime, but by schedule is opposite most all other humans who speak my language and I still need to learn the ropes from a friend or something
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[TXTSWORD]

[TXTSWORD]

[Adilegian]

[8128]

Adilegian these are very interesting points and I am going to play this game again considering them

but what about that part with that song?
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[diplo]

Adi and I were discussing that in irc, and both of us were at a loss for the thread's respective enthusiasm. It was literally the most confusingly structured part in a 3D game I've ever experienced, and I don't even remember how I completed it.

[boojiboy7]

You guys are making me think about this game now, a game I think I largely liked because I didn't think much when playing it.

I probably enjoyed this game more having never watched Twin Peaks (something I will remedy soon). I completely understand the sexism/misogyny charges thrown at the game, and there is no real defense against them. Certain parts of it were pretty damn offensive. For some reason, it didn't bother me much during the playing of the game (well, except Thomas, which for some reason set off my HOLY SHIT THIS IS KINDA OFFENSIVE radar right away, but (sad to say, maybe) video games have gotten me used to turning that off (I could list a lot of examples here)), but now looking back on it, having had attention drawn to it, I am bothered.

I didn't really find the part with the song all that confusing, but that is a personal thing I guess. Since most of the game was so sloppy, I guess I was just rolling with it at the end, though see spoiler section for more thought on that, though.

The part with "the song" was what really redeemed the game for me, except redeemed is completely the wrong word, because it certainly doesn't excuse a lot of the other shit in the game. What I most enjoyed in that part was seeing the how the past as assumed in the rest of the game is actually a recontextualization of previous events, changing their meaning based on the "winner" of those events. This gets spoiler-y below, and it has been awhile, so correct anything that is wrong:

The original raincoat killer being this guy who somehow doesn't get affected by the purple shit and who is trying to figure out the cause and stop it gets lost over the years as all people recall about him is that he killed people while it rained. I found myself wondering how the story of his original actions got changed to become something much different, and much more sinister. Even the ending of the game doesn't ever go back and explain him. It just lets him be as this strange moment in the past that is never going to be understood outside of the player. By making the player control him, the game sorta forces you into this bizarre territory of dealing with that he is killing people, but eventually seeing a bit why he is killing people, and understanding that in his failure to stop what was happening, he was doomed to become a villain and such. It's kinda heavy handed and such, but I thought that it was the one part of the game that actually rose to being a video game, instead of a game adaptation of something else. Of course, this is undermined a bit by the confusing design of the section, but thinking back on it now, I almost wonder if I took that confusion as intentional, given the confusion the original raincoat must have been feeling at the time.

Thinking back on the game, I guess I just sorta ignored the "present day" story in favor of the "past" story, and mostly because the "present" story was so steeped in those sexist/misogynist tropes that taking it at all seriously would've been hard. The whole fate of George and Thomas is just ridiculous and dumb, and it really did undermine a lot of the game. Turning them into lurid bullshit only reinforces the sexist shit going on in the story for so much of the present, though having George turn into a goddamn DBZ character sorta made me laugh that off. Again, probably a conditioned response to so much of gaming in general, and not something that is good.

I did enjoy York's character genuinely, though I found most of my amusement in him was tied to reaction shots and his facial expressions (and how they were incongruous with his voice), so some of that might be ironic too, though I have to wonder that nobody told the people making the game what they were doing. His past is pretty stock anime tropes, though I found that the way it was executed was pretty decent-ish to me, so I didn't mind. And thankfully his father didn't turn out to be God or the big bad or whatever.

That being said, Adiligian is spot on with the horrid way the game treats rape, and the ending really makes this apparent and terrible. So I find myself divided on the ending now, while thinking back on it. The things I liked about the ending (the recontextualization of the original raincoat killer and Zach, the strange lens of America seen through the eyes of people who understand it largely through its products and not direct experiences (see also Silent Hill games and Vampire Rain)) versus the things I didn't like about it (George/Thomas/shitty treatment of rape as a subject). In the end, I don't know where that leaves me with this game. I enjoyed playing it, but I didn't always enjoy what it was saying, and the more I think about it, the less I like it.

I recently said this game had one of the better endings in games, and partially (the song chapter), I think that is true, but then again I don't. I am very conflicted about this now, which is strangely a place I like to be. I wish I had more people around when I was playing this game to talk to about it. I think this game is a lot more fun to dissect and pick apart than it is to play. It's a mess, but one that gives me a lot to turn over.

[parker]

Irony has nothing to do with my enjoyment of the game. For me dragon warrior type games are shitty and primitive but that doesn't mean my enjoyment of Earthbound is ironical.
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[klj5j6li]

[parker]

What the
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[parker]

It's more like forty percent anyway
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[klj5j6li]

If you're going to just skip the last 40% of the show going nowhere you might as well skip the first 60% of the show going nowhere too.

[parker]

It's a soap opera.
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[klj5j6li]

Can't think of a better reason not to watch it than that.