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luvcraft
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: The Japanese sure like them some text.    Reply with quote

For being such a "visuals-oriented" country -- birthplace of manga, anime, modern video games, and kaiju movies -- Japan produces some really non-visually-appealing websites. Every single Japanese website I've seen has considerably less (usually none) graphics and visual flare than an equivalent American website. For a case in point, go to any page on Wikipedia, then follow the link on the left to the Japanese version of that page. Dollars to donuts there will be considerably less images on the Japanese page, even for things that ARE Japanese, like Nintendo or Astro Boy. (OK, Ukiyo-e is an exception, but it holds true for the most part otherwise.)

Why is that? Is bandwidth super-expensive in Japan, or do they just really like everything to look like a business textbook in case the boss walks in unexpectedly?

(Waits for Japanophiles to suggest that Japanese people have better imaginations than Americans and thus don't need pictures.)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:23 pm        Reply with quote

I see great things in this thread's future.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:24 pm        Reply with quote

Something roughly like this insubstantiated claim that I am laying down right here: Computers are about as popular in Japan now as they were in America in '98.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:33 pm        Reply with quote

psiga wrote:
Something roughly like this insubstantiated claim that I am laying down right here: Computers are about as popular in Japan now as they were in America in '98.


Wait, computers were REALLY popular in America in '98.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:46 pm        Reply with quote

http://web.archive.org/web/19980530120100/www.nintendo.com/home/index.html
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 6:50 pm        Reply with quote

psiga wrote:
http://web.archive.org/web/19980530120100/www.nintendo.com/home/index.html


so you see this as just an extension of "even though Japanese technology is 10 years ahead of American technology, Japanese culture is 10 years behind American culture", and project that right about now they're gonna start making pages with tons of awful blinky animated gifs, and then in 10 years they're going to discover mySpace?

...interesting...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:45 pm        Reply with quote

if you care, try to find some "fansites" to whateveritisyouaresearchingfor ... you'll find some weird (and often broken) websites, even better if they were abandoned some years ago ... they look like, ahem, yeah, they look pretty ... aged.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:38 pm        Reply with quote

luvcraft wrote:
psiga wrote:
http://web.archive.org/web/19980530120100/www.nintendo.com/home/index.html


so you see this as just an extension of "even though Japanese technology is 10 years ahead of American technology, Japanese culture is 10 years behind American culture", and project that right about now they're gonna start making pages with tons of awful blinky animated gifs, and then in 10 years they're going to discover mySpace?

...interesting...



Look how long it took them to get into hip hop - just wait until the Japanese emo scene emerges. Holy jesus.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:50 pm        Reply with quote

ja.wikipedia.org doesn't have images because copyright law is much stricter in Japan. Fair use is a legal concept that exists pretty much only in the United States. Actually, most of the non-English Wikipedias have few images for this reason.

As for Japanese web design in general, I do agree that it is inferior to what we are used to here. It is like 5 years behind the English web in design sensibility (to the extent that the difference can be measured in "years"; of course they diverge and do things that we never did here). That the Japanese don't notice how backwards they are in this respect can give an idea about how rarely they ever visit any English websites.

It is interesting how ghettoized the web is, despite its ostensibly cross-border nature. For example, I hear that in Korea websites commonly use crappy ActiveX plugins, which is very rare here.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:42 pm        Reply with quote

luvcraft wrote:
so you see this as just an extension of "even though Japanese technology is 10 years ahead of American technology, Japanese culture is 10 years behind American culture",


Japanese technology is ahead of America's for gimmicky advances that Americans aren't interested in, but they're way, way behind us in computers.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:49 pm        Reply with quote

otoh, you won't find many jap. flash-lovefest-websites that blink and click and move all over the place.
I often forget that my flash/ad/javascript-blockers do away with most of these nuisances, but whenever I have a new installation running, I encounter this crap way too often.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:01 pm        Reply with quote

http://www.pliink.com/mt/marxy/archives/2007/03/the-second-digi.html

Web design hailing from East and Southeast Asia is mostly abysmal across the board. I have a friend studying abroad in Beijing in an internship to learn "business". The supervisor found out he knows how to use Dreamweaver and he's done nothing except make them websites so far.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:41 pm        Reply with quote

nonsense, what about those websites that are 99% images and the main page is just a fancy border with a tiny 300x300 scrollable frame in the middle and all the links are text in tiny fonts

oh wait i think those aren't actually Japanese, just done by American otaku who all do it because they think it's Japanese.

I kind of admire them not having goddamn flash menus and bloated layouts that only display correctly if you're using the designer's favourite browser. but on the other hand they have a tendency to build up more and more text and text and text on a single gigantic page instead of subdividing, which just cancels out the benefits.

the reason is obvious that all Japanese computer users are nerds who sit in dark rooms and love it when megabytes of scrolling text are projected onto their face so they can go click clack click clack making an ASCII cat cartoon.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:02 pm        Reply with quote

Stop looking at 2chan.

Flash-based japanese websites are among the most beautiful in the world. Though, I base this mostly on the game publicizing websites that I've seen.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:17 pm        Reply with quote

How much browsing is done from cell phones? Designing something that looks neat on a cell phone is a different ballgame from designing something that looks neat on my 780p lcd.`
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 9:55 pm        Reply with quote

inmatarian wrote:
Flash-based japanese websites are among the most beautiful in the world. Though, I base this mostly on the game publicizing websites that I've seen.





Anyway, IREMs website features an i-mode-browsable website if I recall correctly. You can even download special wallpapers for different types of displays.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:24 am        Reply with quote

I think Japanese magazine layouts are shitty too. And their movie trailers...

At some point someone'll have to sit those wacky islanders down and explain to them that vomiting text all over something (in the font equivalent of Snap ITC) is just not cricket.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 5:27 pm        Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:33 pm        Reply with quote

extrabastardformula wrote:
How much browsing is done from cell phones? Designing something that looks neat on a cell phone is a different ballgame from designing something that looks neat on my 780p lcd.`


that's the big thing, from my experience, anyway.

they say that computer proficiency rates in japan are actually WORSE than they were in the mid-late '90s because cell phones are the preferred web browser these days.
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