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firenze
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 Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 4:54 am Post subject: Starcraft II thread, Korea haters |
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Unless I'm blind there's no Starcraft II thread. Now, I'm an 80s-90s PC gamer who is now nearly console exclusive... but WTF people, even I am getting excited about this game. Is it just because it's cool to hate WoW that we aren't talking about SC2 (hey wow another acronym to confuse me and make my brain read Soul Calibur 2)? Or maybe I'm dumb and there's a thread with a title that's too clever for me to get.
I'll start off with this mod video. I also normally don't care about this kind of stuff but oh my god it's really awesome: http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/30560
(And here's another, this one's a Metal Slug remake. http://gamevideos.1up.com/video/id/30247 I dunno about trying to emulate Metal Slug, but it sure does look like you can make a viable action side scroller with this stuff)
Discuss Starcrafting. Go.
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firenze
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:06 pm |
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| Sniper Honeyviper wrote: |
| Doesn't it have ridiculously low system requirements, though? Like, it's designed to run at full speed on netbooks without turning down the detail too much? That's just what I remember hearing. |
Yeah, I plan on playing it on my 2008 notebook with what was a pretty solid notebook GPU (some Radeon Mobile, I don't remember which) at the time. Not at all a beast of a system, but it should run SC2 just fine.
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| another god wrote: |
SC2 is big.
It's really big.
The game is Street Fighter 4 times a million.
More people play SC1 competitively *and* casually than any fighting game ever made. The original is a joy to watch, and the sequel is nothing but more of the same. Do you know how gorgeous it is to watch zerg drones morph into buildings? It's fucking gorgeous.
This game doesn't need to do a thing to be phenomenal. It just needs to be. |
Sentiments like this are a large part of why I find SC in general to be impenetrable and uninteresting. |
So does the fact that a ton of people in the world play baseball, both competitively and casually, mean that it's "impenetrable and uninteresting"? In that case, I guess the random 8 year old having fun running around on the field is missing the point.
Nobody's saying you have to be obsessed and skilled to the level of Korean Starcraft pros. It strikes me as rather silly to find sentiments like "tons of people LOVE this game" to be a turn off, unless you're just trying to be painfully non-establishment for some misguided sense of credibility. Popularity certainly doesn't mean a game is necessarily great, but it also doesn't mean it's automatically uninteresting. You might not like RTS just because the genre doesn't do it for you, that's fine. But are you really saying the reason you don't like it is because some people are excited because it's a hugely popular multiplayer game?
I personally am most excited about playing through the single player game and messing with the editor and people's edited levels. I don't really bother much with competitive RTS. If I want a competitive game, I'm happy to stick to Street Fighter. So the whole tons of people playing competitively on skill levels ranging from utter scrub (I'm closer to this side!) to professional Starcrafter... not really even that relevant to me. Doesn't mean I can't enjoy the game for the aspects I care about though. |
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firenze
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| Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:22 pm |
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| T. wrote: |
| seeing 'sc2' makes me think star control 2 :/ |
Ooh yeah, good one. It's even another sci-fi PC game. Not that it makes me think of Soul Calibur 2 any less... I'll probably never stop either. I never stop thinking there's gonna be some Armored Core news when I see Assassin's Creed abbreviated either.
But anyway, congratulations. You're old. |
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firenze
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| Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:48 am |
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| Predator Goose wrote: |
| Because it's really hard to put up with the complexity of SC, and the memorization it requires, to play with people who live and breathe these games. |
This is fair enough. But really, you don't have to play with people who live and breathe the games. You can play with other non-serious players. Just like Street Fighter.
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| And the single player campaigns have rarely done it for me, so you're one up on me there. |
Yeah, that may just be a matter of taste. I do like Blizzard's single player stuff, from Warcraft to Starcraft to Diablo. So I know that even if I never put in the effort to be truly good in multiplayer, I have some fun with me from campaign, casual multiplayer against similarly skilled people, and the drool worthy level editor (LittleBigStarcraft).
But hell, maybe I'll put in some time to get decent. I've been on a more competitive streak lately, mostly in SSF4 but perhaps I'm OK now with tinkering in a different genre too. |
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firenze
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| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:56 am |
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| drobe wrote: |
| Guys, lets play OMFG NOT SERIOUS starcraft. |
Selectbutton SC2 club go? I'm probably worse than anybody here. Gimme a week or two with SC2 to get a little better than abysmal and I'd be up for playing though.
This is a similar problem to Street Fighter though... sometimes newer players, especially online being randomly matched up with whoever is on, lose interest because they can't get that joy of a fairly evenly matched game. Or even better, someone slightly better but not impossible to beat (they can teach you some stuff while you're still being competitive). Or the patient souls who are on a higher level but don't mind giving good advice and trying to help as opposed to going for humiliation and some stupid sense of power from thrashing a far less experienced player.
But... it's not impossible to find SF competition on a wide range of levels. I'm not sure this issue alone is reason to forsake a game, it's not THAT hard to just make some posts in alternate locations where people hang out who like games and might be kinda into SC, but at the same time aren't total SC zealots. Hint: you're at one of those places, which shockingly didn't even have a topic for the biggest PC release in years until a few days ago. |
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firenze
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| Posted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:45 pm |
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| haze wrote: |
| I think Cuba hit it on the head, it's pretty much a fighting game. not literally, but especially in the skills required. and hey we have a 40-page discussion thread on fighters on this very forum, but not too many people complain about the "OMFG SERIOUS" types over there. fighting games depend as much (or as little) on memorizing combos and character matchups as starcraft is about APM and build orders, but the latter gets far more misconceptions. |
I think I would be remiss to not link to David Sirlin's classic "Playing to Win" articles here. Sirlin is a longtime competitive Street Fighter and Starcraft player who went from fan to designer overseeing gameplay balancing for SSF2T HD Remix, and these articles are soooo on point on this discussion.
One of Sirlin's points is that complexity and flashy comboing is overrated in fighting games. Mind games and sound technique are really the cornerstones to winning. Whereas a Street Fighter player with sound understanding of fundamentals, the zoning/distance game, and some simple move priorities can be very good and get a lot of wins, that's a little different than Starcraft. If you don't know build order in SC, you're fucked.
Yes, core concepts are still the same - fundamentals of scouting and mindgames work well in SC too. But if you don't know rote build orders you essentially can't win against a good player. In SF4 it certainly doesn't hurt to know how to use flashy focus attack combos and precise links for 10+ hit into Ultras, but you're still very capable of winning with nothing but some simple bread and butter 2-3 hit combos applied at the right time.
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| maybe it's the online thing. being face to face with your opponent makes a big difference, and it's much easier to do that with fighters than Starcraft. |
Yeah, the "I could get physically punched in the face if I act like a total douche" factor of in person 1-on-1 play does probably have a little bit to do with the development of the particular subcultures surrounding the two games.
This is the same with XBLA-only Street Fighter players versus players who actually meet up in arcades, people's houses, and tournaments. People who were "raised" in arcades tend to treat things differently than some of this new breed who are predominantly online players. And the online only people can be obnoxious to play against. Starcraft is the same way, and I'm sure some people who came up on a lot of in person LAN party play have a different social skill set than people who are online only. It's just that there are a whole lot of online only SC people. |
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firenze
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:14 pm |
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| Talbain wrote: |
| Isfet wrote: |
| so maybe this was established elsewhere, but is it true that you can install/play this game on any computer than can run WoW? because i'd really like to pick this up, but don't have the money to drop on an entirely new PC right now. |
I'd like to say yes, but my computer can run WoW. It can't run this though. Need at least a 256MB graphics card, but I think 512 is really required. That was the major stumbling block for mine, I think/hope. |
I can run SC2, and I'm using a 2 year old notebook with a Mobility Radeon 3200 (one of the better notebook integrated video cards you could get for gaming in 2008, but still that's not saying a ton), 2.10 GHz AMD Turion X2 Ultra ZM-80 CPU, and 3GB RAM.
I can't run max settings, but it runs really smooth on medium-ish settings in fullscreen. I'll be upgrading around the end of the year to something where I can crank everything up, but it's very playable on my machine.
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| Isfet wrote: |
| hmmm. ok then, i guess i'll just have to go with my original plan then and ask a friend who has the game to come over and try to install it here. |
Anyone who bought a retail copy has guest passes. Passes are pretty much 7 hr demos. Blizzard is going to make so much money.
Edit: I bought digital download. Someone else should PM Isfet a Guest Pass though. |
Oh. I have two of those Guest Passes. Isfet, want one? Anyone else? Post here if you want em and I'll PM you later when I'm at home with the code.
The new Battle.net thing with game client downloads is actually pretty nice. Register once, and you can re-download the authorized client in the future even if you don't have your discs or reg key. Works for SC2 and WoW (and Diablo III listed already), and the "Classic Games" supported are SC/Brood War, WC3/Frozen Throne, and Diablo 2/LoD. It's nice for re-installs too, since you get the current version installed straight away without having to install from disc and then patch. |
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firenze
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| Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:23 pm |
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| Maztorre wrote: |
| Everyone in the StarCraft universe is dedicated to helping their bros deliver bad-ass one-liners at all times. |
selectbutton.net: everyone is dedicated to helping their bros deliver bad-ass one-liners at all times. |
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