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Ebrey
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| Takashi wrote: |
| I hate to admit it, but everything suggested so far is too, erm boring and artsy. Compared to Geass, that is - and that's a show with character designs by CLAMP. Someone bring testosterone into this thread. |
A Go Nagai manga/anime is like an Arnold Schwarzenneger movie and a Russ Meyer flick rolled into one. Beyond brilliant. Mazinkaiser is probably my favorite, but the Cutie Honey movie is very impressive for live action. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 6:52 am |
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Revolutionary Girl Utena is by far the best shoujo anime I have seen. It's tremendously atmospheric and fun.
I remember liking the shoujo manga/anime of Yuu Watase (Fushigi Yuugi and Ceres), though they were kind of guilty pleasures. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 8:04 am |
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| rabite gets whacked! wrote: |
| Dudes, Patlabor for the long slow glorious burn. |
The first 2 Patlabor movies are perhaps the best anime movies ever made, and a lot of the TV/OVA episodes are brilliant. There's definitely some filler in there though, and the replacement for Kanuka halfway through the TV series is completely bland. Most of the episodes by Mamoru Oshii, Kazunori Ito (the loveable Ghost in the Shell duo), and Michoko Yokote (who write Vicious' first appearance in Cowboy Bebop) are brilliant. And the episode starring only Goto and Nagumo written by Yutaka Izubuchi (RahXephon's director, but this is a lot better) is fascinating. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:20 am |
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| negativedge wrote: |
| 1. anime sucks |
The other (good) anime thread has pictures of giant robots which contradict this statement. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 6:18 am |
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| antitype wrote: |
| rabite gets whacked! wrote: |
| Dudes, Patlabor for the long slow glorious burn. |
I tried watch one of these shows in my early teens -- not sure whether it was the OVA or the TV series -- but since I don't remember a whole lot about it, I suppose it wasn't very memorable? Maybe not; I try to conjure up images in my mind and I keep thinking of Appleseed.
If I were to try to get into Patlabor now would I need to go back to one of those series, or could I get away with just watching the movies? |
You can understand the movies without watching the series, if that's what you mean. After watching them you might become interested in the series though.
The movies are very serious thrillers that are even better than the Ghost in the Shells (by the same team). The fifth and sixth episodes of the first OVA are also a great political thriller, but most of the TV and OVA episodes focus more on comedy, action, and character development. This can be a good thing - Mamoru Oshii, Kazunori Ito, and many of the voice actors have comedy experience from Urusei Yatsura, and with Patlabor they get to create their own, better characters.
The TV series also has the most amazingly low key anime endings ever. It ends, not with an epic battle, nor with the main characters confessing their love for each other (and there's some great sexual tension), but with the main character remembering the loss of her dog and realizing that change is okay. Kazunori Ito (the writer of the first GitS, the first two Patlabor movies, and half of the OVA/TV episodes) is fucking brilliant. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 12:57 am |
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Robotech: Macross sucks - it's just a bad Gundam ripoff. I haven't seen the original Macross in Japanese, but all the other Macrosses I've seen (Do You Rememeber Love?, Plus, Zero and 7) are much, much better.
Simon Belmont keep in mind that Southern Cross bombed in Japan; neither version is really worth watching. Mospeada is alright, although considering it was made during the golden age of mecha anime there was better stuff available. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:05 am |
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The Cutie Honey movie is the only live action manga adaption that deserves to exist. But fuck is it good.
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| Also, I finally got around to watching Nadesico and I am not enjoying it very much. Way too much otaku bullshit in here. Every character is a stereotype played for "LOL anime" comedic effect and the story is a mish-mash of other, better shows. Why is this show so beloved amongst anime fandom? |
Gekiganger 3. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:02 am |
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I've had consoles stolen from me and money scammed from me, but perhaps the cruelest thing anyone ever did to me was when I was told Gundam SEED gets better in its second half.
My god, does it not. It stops ripping off Gundam and Zeta Gundam quite so badly, which meant it was no longer a pale shadow of greatness and was now pure shit. And during the ending I felt I had accidentally wandered into a jRPG, as the villain decided to destroy the world because his parents were mean to him or some dumb shit like that (he was a clone - OMG it's as deep as FF 7). The only thing SEED has going for it is that it is so dumb on an epic scale that it could be more entertaining than mediocre anime, with the right mindset.
When Gundam is one of your favorite anime, however, you're not in the mindset to watch a Gundam series to laugh at it's stupidity. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:09 am |
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08th MS Team is stupid in a generic way (it's just a cheesy war romance with mobile suits tacked on to make it more popular), which I suppose is better than SEED which is stupid in a mind numbing way. Still, the only good non-Yoshiyuki Tomino Gundam* series is War in the Pocket, since it tries to explore the universe from a new angle rather than merely stripping it of all the intelligence so that we can see robots pound each other without engaging our brains.
*G Gundam is great, but it's not Gundam at all. Which is actually the result of Tomino telling Imagawa to make it as weird as possible. God I love those two. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:53 pm |
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The only thing SEED has going for it is that it isn't SEED Destiny.
Also, wpham, you're the only place on the internet (minus the more zealot of MSG fansites) that hates on 8th MS Team. |
I was loving on 08th MS Team : (
It reminded me of Mechwarrior 2. |
Ups, i meant you're in.
I love 8th MS Team to pieces, but apparently it lacks the burning passion of true Gundam. Also, not nearly enough people die. Then again, I didn't think Seed was that bad, so. |
08th MS Team is really, really generic and corny. It's stock Anime Guy and stock Anime Girl in an Anime Romance. It's a total disgrace when compared to Tomino's series, which are unusual and intelligent, and War in the Pocket, which is realistic and heart breaking.
I've given up hope that Bandai will ever let Gundam die, or give it to someone talented, but I would be happy if new Gundam series could be more like Gundam X. The creators of X weren't very talented, but you can tell they cared and wanted to tell their own story, as opposed to:
A. Trying to be as generic as possible (08th MS Team)
B. Trying to be like Gundam and failing (0083)
C. Trying to target kids and girls in as crassly commercial of a fashion as possible (Wing/SEED). |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:44 pm |
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| Takashi wrote: |
| Ebrey wrote: |
08th MS Team is really, really generic and corny. It's stock Anime Guy and stock Anime Girl in an Anime Romance. It's a total disgrace when compared to Tomino's series, which are unusual and intelligent, and War in the Pocket, which is realistic and heart breaking.
I've given up hope that Bandai will ever let Gundam die, or give it to someone talented, but I would be happy if new Gundam series could be more like Gundam X. The creators of X weren't very talented, but you can tell they cared and wanted to tell their own story, as opposed to:
A. Trying to be as generic as possible (08th MS Team)
B. Trying to be like Gundam and failing (0083)
C. Trying to target kids and girls in as crassly commercial of a fashion as possible (Wing/SEED). |
I have the entire Ecole du Ciel side manga backordered so I'm easily the worst person in the world to you right now. |
Hell no. Ecole du Ciel is by Mikimoto, who did the character designs for 0080, although his 0080 designs are much more realistic than his Ecole du Ciel artwork. I also love him for Macross 7 and Macross 7 Trash. I haven't read much of Ecole du Ciel, but I respect Mikimoto a lot. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:46 am |
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| internisus wrote: |
| Everytime people mention Robotech or Gundam I wonder what it is I'm missing and whether I can get the best of it for free online. Then I go back to watching my twelve volumes of Patlabor. Then I wonder if I'm missing Patlabor in space. If there was more Patlabor than Patlabor, you my brothers would tell me, right? If I was bleeding to death, you my brothers would take me to a doctor, right? |
I love both Patlabor and Gundam, but I'm not sure if they have much similarity. Gundam, Zeta Gundam, and Char's Counterattack are one long, dark drama with fantastic character development and great writing. I like them because Amuro, Char, Camille, and the rest are great characters who go on a great journey. And I do love depressing stories, as long as they're not artificially manipulating me (which I felt SaiKano did some of the time).
Patlabor is closer to Buffy than Gundam (lol that Ebrey only talks about Whedon - sorry). It's great because it is completely different from one episode to the next, and succeeds in so many different ways. The movies are fantastic political thrillers, the show is hilarious, and the ending of the TV series, which closes on a quiet, character-based note, is unexpected and classy.
There's also Gundam 0080, G Gundam, and Turn a Gundam, all great series in very different ways from the original. I recommend starting with MS Gundam so that you don't get funny ideas about what Gundam is.
Macross is basically two different series - fun, cheesy stories about music and love conquering all, and serious war/test pilot stories. Of the fun/cheesy Macrosses, I like the movie Do You Remember Love? and the series Macross 7, the rockingest anime of all time. Both of the serious Macrosses, Plus and Zero, are well done. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:30 am |
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| Yeah, Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, and Char's Counterattack tell the story of Gundam's two most famous characters, Amuro and Char. Zeta Gundam has another main character, Camille, who is also great. I would probably watch the movie trilogy version of the original Gundam, because while it cuts out a bunch of stuff, the TV series is only available dubbed. Hopefully someday there will be a subtitled MS Gundam TV available. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 6:30 am |
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| Machine Gun Heart wrote: |
| The mecha in Five Star Stories is like sex in art form. Too bad the anime movie sucks a bit. |
And the English manga is expensive and poorly translated.
Still, it's a fantastic comic. The storytelling is all over the place, and I mean that literally - he jumps forward and backwards through thousands of years of history. But it's utterly gorgeous, and full of cool ideas. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 7:43 am |
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| wpham wrote: |
| I wish the opening and ending sequence songs weren't such generic tripe, though. |
The greatest opening and ending sequence in anime history are Brain Powered's. The opening has all the female characters on the show flying around naked with some giant robots while a J-Rock song plays. Talk about a two-minute summary of anime itself. The closing sequence is just a bunch of flowers, but the song is the best thing Yoko Kanno has ever composed. It's as classy as the opening is not. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:14 am |
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I would advise exactly the opposite. Movies are almost entirely irrelevant to anime. Besides Miyazaki, Mamoru Oshii, and Satoshi Kon* stuff, anime films rarely work. Although TV adaptations of manga are sometimes inferior, movie adaptations of manga are worse because they can't cover much of the story.
The problem isn't that anime TV series suck, it's that anime in general has sucked for a long time now. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 9:34 am |
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The problem with Lain is that it expects you to solve its puzzle despite the subject matter being obscure and only interesting to a tiny number of people.
Though I dislike "puzzle" stories on principle, anyway.
FLCL is not a puzzle, it's just fast and loose with its storytelling. Which is good times. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 6:10 am |
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Guardian, you hate RahXephon, right? But you love Patlabor?
I haven't seen RahXephon, but what's interesting is that the only Yutaka Izubuchi written episode of Patlabor (The New Files episode about Goto and Shinobu staying at a love hotel) is AMAZINGLY good. Up there with the best stuff that the Ghost in the Shell boys did. Also, he's a member of the Patlabor planning group Headgear, so I think he had a hand in developing the overall story of Patlabor. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 9:36 am |
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| internisus wrote: |
| Yeah, you've got me right. I agree with your assessment of that episode, though I know nothing about this Izubuchi; the success of that episode lies in its awkward but touching examination of the relationship between the captains. I'm curious as to what you consider to be the best of the GitS stuff, |
Izubuchi is a mecha designer (tons of stuff, including some Gundam and all Patlabor), character designer (Lodoss War), director (RahXephon), and writer (just that one Patlabor episode as far as I know). What I meant was that his episode was as good as the best Patlabor episodes that the GitS writer and director did (and for those of you who haven't seen it, Oshii writes some EXTREMELY silly Patlabor episodes that need to be seen). |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:06 am |
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| DeusJester wrote: |
| WHAT THE MOTHERFUCK THIS PEDO MANGA WAS DRAWN BY A WOMAN OKAY MY BRAIN OFFICIALLY FELL OUT OF MY HEAD AND ONTO MY KEYBOARD WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT WHAT |
Dude, she's making cash money. There are plenty of people who will sell out their gender/race/sexuality for dough. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:16 am |
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[quote="alice"]Me and my team of intellectuals have decided that this thread needs more dead leaves and RE cutie honey./quote]
I watched the first episode of RE: Cutie Honey, but it just seemed like a rehash of the Cutie Honey live action movie. Does it getter better?
The Cutie Honey movie is amazing though! |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:57 am |
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| Mr. Brooks wrote: |
At least confirm it's a more worthy watch than the wretched Wing, please.
(OKG intrigues, from the rapid Googling I just did.) |
Turn A's certainly in my list of the 10 best anime ever made.
It's Yoshiyuki Tomino's comeback masterpiece in the way that Kagemusha and Ran were Akira Kurosawa's. It starts off slow, and I slightly prefer Tomino's older, darker series, but those are just personal quibbles.
It's the best anime depiction of realistic cultural conflicts, where two countries don't want to fight, but can't avoid it because of human nature. Gundam was based on World War II, but Turn A Gundam is more like the Israel/Palestine situation. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:24 pm |
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internisus, comparing shitty fight anime with awesome super robot anime is insulting. Fight anime typically last hundreds of episodes, whereas the longest super robot anime (in the 70s) were only about a hundred. Not only that, but super robot anime recognize and embrace their corniness. They know we're not watching for the fights, but the over-the-top-ness. Fight anime creators think we can sit through a 10 episode long battle for the fighting.
And yeah, I'd rather watch DBZ than one of its imitators if I had to pick one fight anime. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:27 pm |
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| Yeah, Getter Robo Armageddon is to the numerous Getter Robo mangas what Kingdom Hearts is to FF games, a gigantic crossover mishmash. It makes little sense overall but it's nice to stick around for some of the great action scenes that pop up from time to time (most noticeably Ryoma in the first three eps and... well, Ryoma whenever he's around). |
How are the other two new Getter OVAS? |
New Getter Robo has a sensible story but looks like SHIT. Shin Getter Robo vs Neo Getter Robo is lighthearted and enjoyable but only lasts 4 episodes.
Getter Robo Armageddon is fun overall - the animation is gorgeous and the nonsensical story sometimes provides amusement. It was originally supposed to be directed by Yasuhiro Imagawa (Giant Robo, G Gundam) which might be why the story is like Giant Robo but ten times more confusing. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:29 pm |
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| I don't know what to think about this new Macross. On the one hand, the animation and music are great. On the other, the character designs are generic and not by Mikimoto. And it's hard to tell what the story will be like. Although Plus and Zero were good, they really felt like spinoffs to me. I want to see another series like Macross 7, which was perfect except for having too much filler and terrible animation. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 7:21 am |
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| Faithless wrote: |
| I was making a guess; sorry if it didn't come off that way. It's just that anime is super-expensive in Japan, so I figured fans of it must be ... wealthy. |
All DVDs are super expensive in Japan. I don't think people buy them very often - they rent them or watch it on TV.
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| I think that these moments in the first GitS are the best Oshii has done anywhere, including the Patlabor films, Jin-Roh, etc. There's a two-minute one before the final part of the film where police are setting up road blocks and helicopters are en-route that is extremely beautiful. |
There's some cool police montages in Patlabor 2.
I think that certain Noa/Asuma and Goto/Shinobu conversations are the best things in the Oshii-verse (mostly written by Kazunori Ito). They express such beautiful and profound sentiments, but in ways that feel very true to those characters. For example: Noa telling Asuma she's no longer just a girl who loves robots in Patlabor 2.
GitS is great though, and is perfect for newcomers since it stands alone. Patlabor has the most impact if you watch it all. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:50 pm |
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| Hey guys it's manga Jesus! |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:48 pm |
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.hack//SIGN started out fabulously, but lost steam by the end.
The best .hack anime is actually the 4-parter that came with the games. It wasn't long enough to become boring. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:11 pm |
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I just got around to watching Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex. It looks gorgeous and has a cool setting, but it's frustrating. There's zero character development. For example, there's a moment in episode 7 when Motoko has hacked into a hotel maid, and uses her to watch a firefight between cops and yakuza. The maid gets killed and so Motoko has to go in personally. You don't see even the slightest hint of guilt from her about getting an innocent bystander killed.
The problem with the GitS show is glaring if you've seen Patlabor. Patlabor is a sci-fi cop show by Mamoru Oshii and Kazunori Ito... SAC is a sci-fi cop show from their disciple Kenji Kamiyama. Patlabor had an exquisite balance between comedy, character development, and sci-fi/thriller plotlines, whereas SAC is all plot. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:01 am |
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| glossolalia wrote: |
| a friend of mine keeps recommending patlabor but i was reluctant to check it out because gits leaves me so cold in its grim, procedural determination. maybe i'll give it a shot now. |
Grim and cold are not words anyone would use to describe Patlabor. It's hilarious and you'll love the characters... but it still has great thriller plots from the writer and director of the GitS movie.
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The maid in question is just a robot though. Unless I misremember. |
You might be right. It's always confusing who is a robot in the GitS world, since they often look human, while the humans look like robots. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:41 pm |
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| internisus wrote: |
Well, I have to ask, do you view the religious material as primarily allegorical or literal?
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It's primarily decoration. Anno wasn't trying to say anything meaningful about religion, any more than he was trying to say something meaningful about giant robots, or penguins, or any of the other visual trappings he used to tell the story. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 12:39 am |
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| internisus wrote: |
| And I do know enough to know that Anno expressed a lot of his dark personal issues at the time through the show. |
And that's exactly why he didn't focus much on the religious issues, or the giant robots. There's only so much you can say with one anime. He's telling one story (about self loathing) and using different visuals (robots, crosses, etc.) to make it more interesting and marketable.
That's why the TV ending is so remarkable. All of a sudden, Eva drops all of its trappings, and it almost instantly resolves itself. At the beginning of the show, the robots and angels presented an interesting setting, but by the end it was dragging terribly. I didn't expect it to wrap up so succinctly, completely, and in such an original fashion. That blew me away.
Hell, the TV ending is the whole point of Eva. There are plenty of other stories about depression. The idea of building up complex visual trappings, and then abandoning them in order to resolve the story, was original and brilliant. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:01 am |
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| Gironika wrote: |
You should totally buy the movie based on my experience that you'll start to like the movie even more so after the second/third time when you start to notice lots of things that go on all the time. That said, it's still one of my most fav movies, if not the most fav. one. |
Maybe I should watch it again then. It had no impact on me whatsoever on my first viewing, whereas Perfect Blue and Tokyo Godfathers were delightful from the first experience. Millennium Actress was so muddled I can't remember anything about it, actually! |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:59 am |
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| Cannon Fodder was really good, since Memories was mentioned. |
I enjoyed Cannon Fodder the least. It was kinda like "oh hey, this guys making a point.... Wait what, was that it?" Sure it got the point accross but so does saying "this is a paraody of militeristic rule". I guess I just didn't like it much. On the other hand, the satirical parts of stink bomb almost entirely evaded me but I thought it was just a generally enjoyable thing to watch. I guess I do pick up a little bit of the satire from the comical characterizations in it as well. Magnetic Rose was rather pretty and I enjoyed. Not sure what else to say about that. |
Cannon Fodder was by far the most visually impressive though. Magnetic Rose was okay but overly serious, and Stink Bomb had nothing going on whatsoever. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:22 am |
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| They've announced a new Mazinger TV series directed by Yasuhiro Imagawa (Giant Robo, G Gundam, Tetsujin 28, the planning stages of Getter Robo: Armageddon) that will be the greatest anime in years. Imagawa is one of the best anime directors of the past two decades and Mazinger is my favorite Go Nagai franchise. He's perfect for old material because he has so the enthusiasm and sincerity to tell cheesy stories with a straight face, but he has a distinctive visual style that separates his anime from mere rehashes. |
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:17 am |
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| Macross 7's only flaws are the bargain basement animation and the repetitive plots of the first 20 episodes. It overcomes its shortcomings to become my favorite Macross through sheer rock 'n roll spirit. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:18 am |
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Series: Zeta Gundam, Turn a Gundam, Legend of Galactic Heroes
Movies: Castle of Cagliostro, Patlabor 2, Arcadia of My Youth |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:52 am |
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| chevluh wrote: |
| then Macross 7 brings stuff like song energy and we're back to thinking up ludicrous ways to make a rock band win an intergalactic war (And let's make them fans of "do you remember love"! Also gratuitous hot springs underage nudity in dynamite, while we're at it!). |
Macross 7 did the opposite of pandering. They made that show as awesome as possible not caring that it would piss off all the fans who think giant robots are SERIOUS BUSINESS. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:29 pm |
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| that's an interesting thing you say there, I've recently seen some series that clearly would have been better if they were havin 13 instead of 2x episodes. I wonder why the studios keep clinging to that formula since that (should?) cost them way more money than they make with merchandising etc... |
26-ish and 52-ish are lengths the networks are searching for. And merchandising actually tends to gain momentum from longer seasons, especially for shows aimed at a younger audience. |
TV anime keeps getting shorter and shorter. Most shows were 50 episodes in the 80s, 26 in the 90s, and now 13 is becoming popular. TV Channels actually like 13 episode shows because they're low risk. If the 13 episodes are popular they can always do a sequel (like Vandread 2nd Stage).
Considering how much anime has sucked in the last few years, I would say that 13 episode shows are a bad thing. There were still short series in the 80s and 90s, they were just made as OVAs instead of TV shows. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 5:17 pm |
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I remember Toonami and Toonami: Midnight Run which featured a marginally less edited Gundam Wing. But I haven't thought about it in years.
What's happening with anime, anyway? Are the fans getting older, and buying DVDs instead of watching TV? Or is it just becoming less popular? |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:43 am |
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| glossolalia wrote: |
| well, maybe all those >s weren't necessary. it's alright, but it's a lot more interesting as a cultural artifact than a film. whereas citizen kane is still a fascinating movie. |
Funny, I would say just the opposite. Citizen Kane is the well made, important, loved by film critics movie, which makes it an important cultural artifact that only needs to be watched once. Casablanca is a really fun movie with a badass lead and sizzling romantic chemistry that I could watch every year. |
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