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Talbain
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Ergo Proxy (26 episodes)
An amalgam of different religious epithets, cultural cliches, and stereotypes taken to their logical extremes in a post-apocalyptic world. References include things from the Bodhisstva (I don't know how to spell it, I know I fail), Carl Jung, Roman-Greco philosophy, The Bible, Japanese Game Shows... it covers a lot of bases in a short amount of time. It's great. Also, those references are just the ones I remember.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 3:48 pm |
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| Takashi wrote: |
| I hate to admit it, but everything suggested so far is too, erm boring and artsy. Compared to Geass, that is - and that's a show with character designs by CLAMP. Someone bring testosterone into this thread. |
Ok. Watch Black Lagoon.
Also, fuck you Dracko. :)
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:59 pm |
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| LWJoestar wrote: |
| Talbain wrote: |
| Dracko wrote: |
| Talbain wrote: |
| Also, fuck you Dracko. :) |
Ergo Proxy is tedious pseudo-goth art-house crap. It wishes it was clever, and it wants to convince you it is, but it isn't.
I mean, sure, if the Wachowski brothers' films impress you, then yeah, you'll like it, but that speaks poorly for your taste.
You know something is shit when it has Paranoid Android for an ending theme. |
Wow. Way to generalize. Got anything of substance to say? |
No, he's right. It's exactly like that.
I like to capsule review first-episodes of series for giggles. Ergo Proxy's review said "In short, Ergo Proxy is a chokingly formulaic, plotless, big-budget animation demo with no redeeming qualities, that thinks it's way more clever than it actually is."
Which is pretty much exactly what he just said it was! And I wrote it almost exaclty one year ago.
FUN FACT: I also called "Witchblade: the anime" something along the lines of "Guyver with tits". |
I already deleted what I said, because there's really no point in me arguing this. At best, it's a difference of opinion, at worst, it's my ignorance or your ignorance that makes the series what it is.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:13 pm |
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On the lighter side of things, Pani Poni Dash is somewhat of an equivalent to Azumanga Daioh if Japanese references were put in every three seconds.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:53 am |
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| Perseus wrote: |
| Ergo Proxy is pure rubbish. And don't you go thinking that just because it's making people argue, there must be something to it. It really is just boring, pretentious twaddle. |
Take it to PMs if you're so interested in arguing. I'll be glad to explain its merits.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:28 am |
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| Faithless wrote: |
| rabite gets whacked! wrote: |
Has anyone here watched Now and Then, Here and There?
I think some folks might really like it. |
Yeah, that's a great one. It really kicks you in the throat. |
Indeed!
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:28 am |
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1) Suzumiya Haruhi sucks.
2) GitS has kind of fallen off the interesting train and gone to cash-money-ville.
3) Mushishi is 2000 if you're referring to the manga, 2005 if referring to the anime, and 2007 for both releases of manga and anime to America.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:59 pm |
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| Gironika wrote: |
| Talbain wrote: |
| 1) Suzumiya Haruhi sucks. |
You're the first person I encounter that dislikes Haruhi. Why? |
Because I'm not a fan of cliches on top of cliches, imposing self-awareness of the characters of said cliches and then acting like it's totally new and cool to be using them.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:15 pm |
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If you try to make Lucky Star anything more than brain junk food, you'll be sorely disappointed.
Also, in reference to Haruhi: I agree Ging, class would help.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:06 am |
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idle, I not only watched the entire series, I read all the books (and no, it wasn't really due to interest, I waded through them on a friend's recommendation). I can say that everything the author's doing is pretty poorly conceived. At the very least, his comedy or analysis of pop culture is not interesting. Either can be an argument for what he's doing, but neither of them ever succeeded in his series. Also, the books tell the story in order, the reason they're told out of order in the animated series is because they didn't expect to get to produce the entire series. The books are considerably better than the anime by the way, so if you enjoyed the anime, the books will probably further illuminate and increase the irrational love for the series.
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Didn't really make me think about anything. Just that they were out of order. There's really only two ascribed possibilities for putting something out of order, the first is because the producer of the work is a fuckwit who doesn't know where he's going with the series, and the second is because it's intentional due to reason "x." As long as it's the latter, I don't really care about the order.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:56 pm |
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| Gironika wrote: |
| Then you probably HATE films like Memento and Pulp Fiction? Because I can't see a difference between a random order of the "chapters" in these films and the eps in Haruhi. |
Ehm... no. What I posted above wasn't a criticism of Haruhi. Haruhi was intentionally made with the episodes out of order due to production issues. At least, that's my understanding of why the episodes ended up out of order.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:27 pm |
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Even so, my criticism was of series that intentionally put things out of order because they don't know where they're going. Obviously, Haruhi has direction, even if it's out of order (same with Pulp Fiction and Memento).
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| Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:48 pm |
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I'm confused as to what the second season is bringing then.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 8:47 pm |
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| SplashBeats wrote: |
| because jesus goddamn 99% of anime is embarrassing. |
I think it was always meant to be that way, it's just that now they're marketing it as such.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:20 pm |
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| Gin wrote: |
Guys Bleach is good again. Primarily because of Grimmjow.
<3 the psychotic badass rival archetype. |
Not really... it's just repeating the same arc as Soul Society, though this time the place is Hueco Mundo and the "person in need of rescue" is Orihime. He's basically writing the same story twice. Which is boring.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:54 pm |
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| internisus wrote: |
Well, if you ask me, Hell is definitely going to be the setting for an arc. Maybe after this whole rescue-Inoue and then the whole war thing are over with. The war proper should be pretty awesome, I figure. But this Hueco Mundo thing, making friends in the world of the dead and having generic fights, is so damned dull. I'm hoping after Inoue is safe things can get more interesting, with conspiracies and rifts in Aizen's organization and Ichigo surprising everybody with stuff he shouldn't be able to do and whatnot.
Then the war with Aizen will come with people like Ichigo's dad and Urahara fighting people like Tousen and Gin.
Maybe Hell after that. Who knows.
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Wait. They really used that as a name? |
Yeah, they're doing a few Spanish-naming things now. The general tone of the arrancar is Spanish. Check out episodes 110-115; the show introduced new music that is clearly meant to be Spanish. |
I want to see Ichigo turn into a full hollow and go apeshit. That would make the series interesting again. Trying to contain the psycho-boy. That'd be a good arc methinks.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:25 pm |
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| internisus wrote: |
| I should mention -- and this may say more about me than it does about Bleach -- that I enjoy Bleach in total seriousness. It is not about over-the-top amusement value. You know how Gurren Lagann has that ridiculousness but also a great epic serious plot with magnetic characters who pose wildly and shout with great confidence, "Who the fuck do you think I am?" and you can take that stuff as non-ironic awesomeness? That's the level I'm on when I'm enjoying Bleach. Awesome dudes with swords do awesome things and talk about how and why they do those things and I am sitting there taking it seriously and thinking oh my god this is awesome. And then I am thinking about how awesome it is some more later when I am not watching it. |
I dunno man. I mean sure, the fights are great, but the problem is that it's gotten to the point where it's become a lot like One Piece anime shows where they drag a single fight out ten episodes when it could be finished in one or two. This happens in Naruto a lot too. While I'd definitely recommend Gurren Lagann for this sort of thing, I wouldn't recommend Bleach or Naruto or One Piece to anybody who's not a hardcore anime fan. It won't be entertaining to the average joe. The only real exception I can think of to this rule is Hellsing. Hellsing's extremely long, but because it's dark I suppose the fact that it's dragged out somehow makes it work. Perhaps it's because these characters aren't "powering up." In Hellsing, the characters are already aware they're fucking crazy and are just taking advantage of it. That's what makes it awesome. Having to build up strength to fight someone or something has just become tired. I'm not sure I'd put it to the point of cliche yet (though DBZ makes me want to), but it's certainly getting there with series like DBZ and Prince of Tennis. More than that, the powering up idea has been done better by shows like Yuu Yuu Hakuusho.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:09 pm |
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| internisus wrote: |
| Talbain wrote: |
| internisus wrote: |
| I should mention -- and this may say more about me than it does about Bleach -- that I enjoy Bleach in total seriousness. It is not about over-the-top amusement value. You know how Gurren Lagann has that ridiculousness but also a great epic serious plot with magnetic characters who pose wildly and shout with great confidence, "Who the fuck do you think I am?" and you can take that stuff as non-ironic awesomeness? That's the level I'm on when I'm enjoying Bleach. Awesome dudes with swords do awesome things and talk about how and why they do those things and I am sitting there taking it seriously and thinking oh my god this is awesome. And then I am thinking about how awesome it is some more later when I am not watching it. |
I dunno man. I mean sure, the fights are great, but the problem is that it's gotten to the point where it's become a lot like One Piece anime shows where they drag a single fight out ten episodes when it could be finished in one or two. This happens in Naruto a lot too. While I'd definitely recommend Gurren Lagann for this sort of thing, I wouldn't recommend Bleach or Naruto or One Piece to anybody who's not a hardcore anime fan. It won't be entertaining to the average joe. The only real exception I can think of to this rule is Hellsing. Hellsing's extremely long, but because it's dark I suppose the fact that it's dragged out somehow makes it work. Perhaps it's because these characters aren't "powering up." In Hellsing, the characters are already aware they're fucking crazy and are just taking advantage of it. That's what makes it awesome. Having to build up strength to fight someone or something has just become tired. I'm not sure I'd put it to the point of cliche yet (though DBZ makes me want to), but it's certainly getting there with series like DBZ and Prince of Tennis. More than that, the powering up idea has been done better by shows like Yuu Yuu Hakuusho. |
Hey, I agree with you. I wouldn't recommend watching Bleach past, say, 120 or so. Whenever it is that Ichigo is training with the Vaizards, up to that. Because I really like the dark overtones that bring in the post-soul-society stuff starting at 110, but the training and the fighting that come after are drawn-out and boring. Basically, I would not recommend watching past that point until the day that new episodes happen that make it worthwhile to come further along. Looks like it'll be awhile.
Bleach-watchers, have you seen this AMV? I don't have much experience with AMVs, but from what I have seen this seems to be very excellent, way above the usual quality. It almost seems narrative, too. Check it out.
Also I thought Hellsing's anime was all crap? Because I read all the manga online at one point and thought it was great, but I've always avoided Hellsing anime. Is that wrong? |
No the Hellsing anime is crap, it doesn't follow the manga at all, and yes, the manga is batshit insane and awesome. The Hellsing OVAs do follow the manga, are awesome, and should be watched and enjoyed to the fullest extent of their awesome.
idle that is an awesome definition for the Bleach anime.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:35 pm |
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| idle wrote: |
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| I was really into it, and it'll never leave me as an inspiration. If that makes me look incredibly silly, fine, but that's how it is, so I strongly recommend the series. |
Nah. I'd just chalk it up to you being relatively new to anime. :x
A lot of the things you were impressed by have been done before in shonen, or are things that happen in anime fairly often in general. I have a feeling this is the type of show where the first one somebody watches will always be their favorite, and as they watch more shows like it they'll become increasingly disillusioned with the genre. |
methinks this is an accurate conclusion.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:34 am |
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| IIOIOOIOO wrote: |
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| hi guys I have issues with what I enjoy and I feel the need to hide it from others in order to look cool |
Yeah. It's not so much... looking cool. It's more like, where does it lie on the spectrum of things you'd feel comfortable discussing with a stranger and a co-worker? You're fat and have a stupid beard. I imagine that you have no reason to feel conflicted about having enjoyed something designed for personages whom you generally do not like to interact with. |
Except that's an associative stereotype.
20 years ago, you only played games if you were a nerd. Now, every frat house in North America is holding Halo tournaments (an exaggeration, but I hope you get the point).
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:13 pm |
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| internisus wrote: |
| rye wrote: |
I was flipping through the channels last night and I saw that the bleach anime was playing! I had never seen it, except the first episode.
I lasted about 2 minutes before blood started flowing out of my ears and eyes. |
I assume that you didn't get the japanese voice acting.
I still haven't heard the english, but I'm afraid to try it. I like a lot of the japanese va a great deal. |
I think it's just because their power levels were over 9000.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:21 pm |
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You need to watch more power-up animes. That's how they all are.
There's no real purpose in following oh... story, etc. It's kind of like Halo 3 and the light-bloom effects. You aren't playing the game for its grand narrative, just as you aren't watching Bleach for it to make sense. You're watching it because it's pretty. I tend to skip the episodes where they aren't fighting, because you know there's nothing of any real importance happening in them (one of the recent episodes has the ice-swordsman guy helping some kid at soccer; because he's helping this kid, you can be sure it's not advancing the plot in any way, whereas when he starts killing things with his ice-sword, things are moving forward).
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| Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:44 am |
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| Renfrew wrote: |
| I like One Piece because of the general lack of training and POWAing up. The only person that shows any interest in improving his POWA outside of battle is Zoro, and he just lifts some dumbells in his sleep while they are sailing around. |
This is true, they just seem to grow giant juevos whenever they need to. Ridiculous perhaps, but given One Piece's general ham-handedness it works I guess. Still, the series is criminally long as of right now.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:04 pm |
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| diplo wrote: |
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| You need to watch more power-up animes. That's how they all are. |
so what you are saying is that he doesn't need to watch any more at all. |
Nah. Anime's a vicious cycle, much like alcoholism.
Also, Monster is a good series that's way too long. It could've been one season and gotten the point across with a great deal more poignancy.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:44 am |
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so yeah, I finished watching Lovely Complex. I'm not sure why I watched all the episodes. It's pretty mediocre. Maybe nostalgia; actually, probably nostalgia.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:48 am |
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| Gin wrote: |
| I actually really like Lovely Complex. It's sweet. |
This is true.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:05 am |
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Does anyone know if the Bleach manga is actually finished, or is it still in progress?
You know, I've just noticed something about long anime series. They take the West Wing idea to the extreme. Let's walk down hallways and talk for a stupidly long time, and then eventually do something. Although in the West Wing they were actually talking about politics from an interesting perspective. In anime... this doesn't usually happen; so you basically just end up with people talking for a long time about... well, stuff they did, or are going to do (the Seinfeld approach, essentially). Which at this point I've found to be pretty repetitive (maybe I've just watched too much anime? I need an anime break?). I think the last long series I really enjoyed was Yuu Yuu Hakuusho. I'm really just watching Bleach at this point to see who ends up dying. That's really the only difference I've noticed in Japanese shows: killing main characters is cool. Code Geass proves it.
Also, psiga, Beat Crusaders is pretty crap. I mean, you're correct that they have interesting, clever moments: but these moments are few and far between.
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Last Exile didn't really wow me, from what I remember, it seemed very stoic. Granted, that can be good or bad. I thought Ergo Proxy was rather stoic as well, but I guess the genre difference made me like Ergo Proxy more than Exile.
Mm... right now I'm watching Pumpkin Scissors, which is sort of an interesting take on a post-WWII imaginary world. Ah... gotta love certain eras of history; they're like that burning sensation when you take a leak sometimes. Gives you a whole new level of appreciation for when everything is working right.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:34 am |
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| diplo wrote: |
| i watched ergo proxy and it was comparable to a high schooler dressed as a fifty year old professor jerking me off with sandpaper |
It's a love it or hate it series. I'm guessing you're of the latter persuasion.
Also, if Champloo did nothing else, it had a lot of fun with colors, shapes and textures. I'd like to see more series that do as much as Champloo did with those.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:17 pm |
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| kiken wrote: |
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i watched ergo proxy and it was comparable to a high schooler dressed as a fifty year old professor jerking me off with sandpaper
it also gave me a pretty bad headache with its colors :\ |
I liked EP better the first time around when it was called Appleseed. |
Explain? I mean, I could see a lot of people drawing connections to certain series, but not Appleseed. Lain or Paranoia Agent sure, maybe even something more existential like Haibane Renmei, but I really don't see the connection between Appleseed and Ergo Proxy. I liked Appleseed better when it was called Ghost in the Shell, by the way. Though, I still enjoyed Appleseed, so hmm...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:04 am |
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| psiga wrote: |
A buddy of mine started watching Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, and he got me watching it. It's like a big stream of context-sensitive jokes, with striking visual presentation. Still kinda panders with upskirts and such-like, but most of it is just good old dark humor.
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I just sort of figured everyone knew about this anime. It's sort of like Pani Poni Dash, but with dark humor instead of off the wall humor.
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There's been nothing worth discussing lately. I watched Paprika; found it to be what Princess Mononoke might be if it had a cyberpunk slant to it. Spice and Wolf is interesting, but not really great. The new Persona series is crap, but I'm still watching it because I like Persona. Basically, there's been an influx of completely unremarkable anime lately. It's not bad anime, it's just that none of it really stands out either.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:36 am |
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I just finished watching Gurren Lagann. I think I can die happy now.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:29 am |
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| silynxer wrote: |
In gratitude for calling my attention to Kino no Tabi, I'll just post some stuff you might possibly enjoy and not already know:
Unpopular (I guess)
You can't really go wrong with Pale Cocoon since if it doesn't appeal at all to you it just demands 20 minutes of your time.
Another worthwhile 10 minute short would be Comedy.
In fact I've never met a person who could watch Sexy Commando Gaiden for more than 5 minutes besides me, but that shouldn't stop you from at least trying.
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Though probably already known Makoto Shinkai's work is pretty nice (while only for those who like romance stuff):
Beyond The Clouds, Hoshi no Koe, Byousoku 5 Centimeter
Btw did anyone mentioned Noein until now?
Blood+ goes without words.
A lot of people liked Hell Girl, I wasn't much of a fan but enough to watch it, didn't see the second show yet.
Other shows already brought up I'd recommend:
Paranoia Agent, Kakurenbo, Boogiepop Phantom, Karas (ignore the plot and enjoy the fights), Ghost Hound could get really interesting and yeah Avatar is just too good to be true.
Sorry for not adding any synopses but I'm really bad at this and always frightened to spoil anything. |
I'm pretty sure Noein's been mentioned, and it's interesting, if you're into the whole time travel genre, but it gets pretty convoluted pretty quickly. Reminds me of Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, except traveling through dimensions and typical anime style fights.
Gurren Lagann does it better.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:00 pm |
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| Faithless wrote: |
| Anime is loved by the young and poor/middle class here. In Japan, it seems to be the hobby of the super-rich. Is this why the american market is drying up? |
I think most rich people buy things because they can. But since I'm not rich, I don't really know.
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| Or is it just the internet and the turn-around time of new shows? |
This is more likely, and the fact that licensing for good shows is typically through the roof. That, and most companies have no idea what the American audience is looking for right now (the writers strike isn't making it any better).
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:02 pm |
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| Faithless wrote: |
| Anime is loved by the young and poor/middle class here. In Japan, it seems to be the hobby of the super-rich. Is this why the american market is drying up? |
I think most rich people buy things because they can. But since I'm not rich, I don't really know.
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| Or is it just the internet and the turn-around time of new shows? |
This is more likely, and the fact that licensing for good shows is typically through the roof. That, and most companies have no idea what the American audience is looking for right now (the writers strike isn't making it any better).
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:38 pm |
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Yay Shigurui. It's bloody awesome. Check it out.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:15 am |
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| Gin wrote: |
| Maybe I perchance ought to watch it on ACID! |
you are on drugs. go to sleep. when you wake up, you'll feel like crap. take some more drugs, you'll be all better.
So yeah, Shigurui is pretty cool. <3 swords and all that. I'd like to say more about the style that it uses (not a huge fan of the pacing), particularly the camerawork, but it's hard to accurately describe since it's pretty different from stuff I've seen before, short of a few action films.
Shigurui is sort of like Viking: Battle for Asgard in terms of violence. Which is pretty awesome (probably more violent actually--certainly more visceral).
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:39 pm |
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| alice wrote: |
Hey guys, all that anime out there sucks :(. I'm looking for either something that is:
a. Good (haha, yeah right...)
b. Stupid and easy to understand and addictive and reasonably short that I can watch with french subs to brush up my french. I think... French is the only reason I even watch anime anymore... |
So... Pokemon?
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Talbain
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| Takashi wrote: |
I'm recomending Majin Tantei Nogami Neuro, the loving tail of a demonic parrot that eats all the mysteries in hell. He then comes to earth and turns a teenage girl with a food disorder into a fake high school detective that he treats like trash, so he can feast on poorly written murder mysteries of the CSI variety.
Great stuff. |
I started watching this recently. I need to listen to your recommendations more often. Funny as hell, if nothing else.
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