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[Martial Loh]

'sup Simon Belmont,
how far into the series are you? (considering there are only 4 or so eps out!!)
I've watched 2 now..and I don't think I can bear to watch the rest of it...
Does it (or can it?) progress from just being a "we're on a journey! oh noes aliens! omg where's Age? omg he's in space and he's a robot thing! he's killed everything! the end" format?

I think you hit the nail on the head with its silly-soap style..I can't stand soap operas...even when they're so bad they're good etc.
The only thing I like about it now, is that Gundam Seed sorta reminded me of Scryed, in a good way... and that similar streak is there still..

[Ebrey]

I've had consoles stolen from me and money scammed from me, but perhaps the cruelest thing anyone ever did to me was when I was told Gundam SEED gets better in its second half.

My god, does it not. It stops ripping off Gundam and Zeta Gundam quite so badly, which meant it was no longer a pale shadow of greatness and was now pure shit. And during the ending I felt I had accidentally wandered into a jRPG, as the villain decided to destroy the world because his parents were mean to him or some dumb shit like that (he was a clone - OMG it's as deep as FF 7). The only thing SEED has going for it is that it is so dumb on an epic scale that it could be more entertaining than mediocre anime, with the right mindset.

When Gundam is one of your favorite anime, however, you're not in the mindset to watch a Gundam series to laugh at it's stupidity.

[wpham]

Gundam needs more 08th MS Team and less Wing/SEED/SEED Destiny (ughhhhhhh).
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[Ebrey]

08th MS Team is stupid in a generic way (it's just a cheesy war romance with mobile suits tacked on to make it more popular), which I suppose is better than SEED which is stupid in a mind numbing way. Still, the only good non-Yoshiyuki Tomino Gundam* series is War in the Pocket, since it tries to explore the universe from a new angle rather than merely stripping it of all the intelligence so that we can see robots pound each other without engaging our brains.

*G Gundam is great, but it's not Gundam at all. Which is actually the result of Tomino telling Imagawa to make it as weird as possible. God I love those two.

[Takashi]

The only thing SEED has going for it is that it isn't SEED Destiny.

Also, wpham, you're the only place on the internet (minus the more zealot of MSG fansites) that hates on 8th MS Team.
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[Takashi]

[wpham]

[Ebrey]

[Takashi]

[Martial Loh]

g gundam was hilarious.
names like Schwartz Bruder? mechs like Gundam Holland? (the windmill one!)...
i lapped that shit up..though i didn't bother finish watching my vcds..

[Ebrey]

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[internisus]

Everytime people mention Robotech or Gundam I wonder what it is I'm missing and whether I can get the best of it for free online. Then I go back to watching my twelve volumes of Patlabor. Then I wonder if I'm missing Patlabor in space. If there was more Patlabor than Patlabor, you guys would tell me, right? If I was bleeding to death, you guys would take me to a doctor, right?

[Predator Goose]

[internisus]

My favorite episodes usually involve everyone getting drunk.

[Gin]

Sir I am afraid I must challenge you on this. The true embodiment of all that is terrible in anime is actually Elfen Lied. The show is so terrible that you keep thinking it couldn't possibly be real, it must be some kind of elaborate joke, but when you get to the end you just don't know.

I mean, Elfen Lied is a harem anime and a super guro anime simultaneously, it has little girls being shot with cannon balls, and a guy who wants to fuck his cousin, along with a psychotic chick with telekinetic powers who randomly regresses into a retarded shell personality because she's braindamaged from being shot in the head.

Really that's just the tip of the iceburg too.

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[Gin]

If you were breathing to death I wouldn't take you to a doctor--that's usually the part where the hero gets up and shows his TRU POWA.

I've only seen the Patlabor TV series but I don't get it. Like, why people like it SO much, I mean. It's certainly not a bad series by any means, but it's full of cliches without offering anything particularly interesting to make those cliches worth watching. Maybe if I had seen Patlabor before I got too used to the genre, maybe I would have enjoyed it more?

The Macross (Robotech) and Gundam movies are a pretty good summation of why people are still talking about those series.

[Ebrey]

[internisus]

[SplashBeats]

[Ebrey]

Yeah, Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, and Char's Counterattack tell the story of Gundam's two most famous characters, Amuro and Char. Zeta Gundam has another main character, Camille, who is also great. I would probably watch the movie trilogy version of the original Gundam, because while it cuts out a bunch of stuff, the TV series is only available dubbed. Hopefully someday there will be a subtitled MS Gundam TV available.

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[GalaxyHead]

The mecha in Five Star Stories is like sex in art form. Too bad the anime movie sucks a bit.
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[Ebrey]

[Martial Loh]

Its perfectly fine to go back to Die Buster, Patlabor and all the olde greats, but you know.. you gotta move on some time!

The moving on part takes some time and is hard..- I couldn't stand Elfen Lied for more than 5 minutes I think.. I sat through the first two episodes of Noein, then got really pissed off with the main girl constantly standing around in particularly dangerous situations admiring the "Aoi Yuki"/blue snow (however you're supposed to romanis/ze it).
There are some fantastically animated fight scenes later on in the series, and the line tests are up on youtube -well worth checking out if you're interested in that stuff.

In recent years, I've only had the patience to sit through Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain, Planetes, King Gainer....err my list trails off due to memory loss and phases of following generic cool tripe like Naruto & Bleach.

[SplashBeats]

If you're having a hard time finding stuff you like, this thread is a good resource!

Also, if you stop watching fighting anime, your opinion of anime in general will raise tenfold.

[PianoMap]

I'm really liking Darker Than Black so far, but since the new episode is still coming... what do we think of Ergo Proxy? The show is nearing it's conclusion now I gather, so I figure it's as good a time as any to start it.

I'm getting the first few eps right now and all I know of the show is that it's sort of cyberpunk and has 'Paranoid Android' for a closing theme song.
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[GalaxyHead]

[Martial Loh]

[SplashBeats]

Ergo Proxy is a lot of big words, a lot of pretty artwork, and not a terribly large amount of substance.

Martial Loh, watch Kemonozume and love anime again :D

[PianoMap]

Yeah okay after the first episode... well my interest is piqued enough to keep watching but yeah this has "pretentious anime" written all over it. Gorgeous artwork and animation and an okay soundtrack but I am tired as hell of all the bullshit that anime thinks passes off as 'symbolism'.

In conclusion, cyberpunk stories after 98' have all been sorely needing less Wachowski and more Gibson. :(

This show obviously is concerning itself with it's characters more than an overall plot, so why the hell can't they make with the characterization? Not to mention, for all the pretty animation, the sluggish pacing and lack of tension [creation of which requires us to care somewhat first] takes away a lot of the crunch these fights could have. There's nothing particularly wrong about them, but there's no snap to the edges or spike to the music. I feel like I'm watching a video game battle through a sheet of cellophane.
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[wpham]

Ergo Proxy would've worked a lot better as a 13-episode series or, even better, a film. Instead, it's allowed to run the full course of its overwrought melodramatics and a whole lot of unrealized potential, which, I think, stems more from its premise than the actual execution of the series.

I was briefly reminded of Blade Runner, but by the fourth or fifth episode I set my expectations a lot, lot lower and that worked well for me.

I kind of want a Wasteland/Fallout-based anime.

[DonMarco]

Goddammit Simon Belmont, have you seen Gurren 5 or not?

And what is your frothing demand for 6 at this point??
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[wpham]

Also: tentatively recommending Bokurano. Big slow robots + Ender's Game + Battle Royale = potential!
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[GalaxyHead]

[Martial Loh]

Ha, i have seen Kemononozume (and still can't spell it properly off the top of my head).. yep, its a great show.. (lookit my avatar!)

Im looking forward to Tekkon Kinkreet and Paprika, whenever they get released over here in the UK.. That Enders Game/Battle Royale thing sounds good! I'll grab some eps tonight. Same goes for Darker than Black..perhaps.

Has anyone actually bothered with Ghost in the Shell SAC? I distinctly remember being bored by the 5th episode... but I probably wasn't in the right frame of mind to watch it then.

[psiga]

Machine Gun Heart between this comment and your avatar I have to say I like your style. We're either destined to be best friends or bitter enemies!