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Talbain
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| antitype wrote: |
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| Xam'd is Bio-Evangelion+Miyazaki-esque prettiness and general inoffensiveness |
people keep saying evangelion, but the general vibe and art style reminds me more of escaflowne without all the shoujo floweriness. |
and lack of triangle noses.
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remote
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:01 am |
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still watching it, and it slowly grows on me. very respectable show, largely free of the sort of anime bullshit i just endured through elfen lied for whatever stupid reason (bizarre pathos and violence, i guess).
i'm finding nakiami to be my favorite character — she's basically nausicaä, both in character design (including her small solo flyer) and her altruistic personality, though nakiami is far more serene and serious in a way that makes you want to know more about her.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:34 am |
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| antitype wrote: |
still watching it, and it slowly grows on me. very respectable show, largely free of the sort of anime bullshit i just endured through elfen lied for whatever stupid reason (bizarre pathos and violence, i guess).
i'm finding nakiami to be my favorite character — she's basically nausicaä, both in character design (including her small solo flyer) and her altruistic personality, though nakiami is far more serene and serious in a way that makes you want to know more about her. |
Eh, I'm not sure the Nakiami analogy to Nausicaa is really accurate. Her altruism is basically attempting to "save" roving death machines. The Ohmu are basically just critters hunted in the same way the elephants were hunted by the British. More sport than fear. I'd say she's much more relatable to Eureka in Eureka 7, but I suppose that's not surprising since it's by the same production team.
I think my favorite character is Akiyuki's mother, she seems to be a conflicted character who we actually get to see some "meat" in terms of emotional conflict. We're slowly fed her past with her husband as well, so we get a nice history going and it's a bittersweet battle between love and hate.
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remote
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| Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:57 am |
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all of the characters are handled pretty well, really. they all have their own distinct and very human personalities, motivations, and inner turmoil.
maybe i'll have to see eureka 7, i've wondered about that one.
from what i'm reading ... well, here:
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| Our heroine Nakiami recalls both the rural appearance of Nausicaä (of Nausicaä and the Valley of Wind) and the emotional ambivalence of Eureka (of Eureka Seven). So, right off the bat, those are two of my favourite anime. |
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Talbain
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You definitely need to watch Eureka 7. Anemone is one of the best antagonists I've ever seen (the protagonists give me warm fuzzies certainly, but Anemone is one of the few characters I've been genuinely scared of and worried about at the same time).
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remote
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:15 pm |
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so i'm going to have to take a break from it now because the last two episodes aren't quite, er, available to those without ps3s yet... but as far as anime goes i'd have to say xam'd is a 10/10. some of the best character development and writing i've seen in anime yet. can't wait to see the last of it.
i'll definitely start eureka 7 shortly, though i'm thinking of trying michiko to hatchin next.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 2:42 pm |
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E7 is solid. I keep forgetting how long it is! 50 danged episodes. Can't tell if it's good that I remember it as being shorter than that.
There's gonna be a movie this April. There will be a "new mythos," or somesuch. I'm hoping they don't pull an Escaflowne with it.
Anyway, I kinda gave up on Xam'd and haven't wanted to get back into it. Should be interesting how E7 strikes you, if Xam'd is a 10/10 for your tastes.
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remote
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:30 pm |
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michiko to hatchin's opening is pretty sweet. i'm surprised that more people here aren't talking about this one. you all liked cowboy bebop, yes?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 7:40 pm |
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Guys I thought Eureka 7 was really boring but I only got like 3 episodes in before I quit
does it pick up somehow or do the characters become likable |
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gambrinus
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| Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:17 pm |
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| antitype wrote: |
| michiko to hatchin's opening is pretty sweet. i'm surprised that more people here aren't talking about this one. you all liked cowboy bebop, yes? |
The animation is sweet, but so far (8 or so eps in) nothing has happened in the plot to make me care, and the characters just aren't interesting enough to suck me in, either.
I'm kind of slowly watching it, but every time I finish an episode I wonder why I bothered. |
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Talbain
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:05 am |
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| gambrinus wrote: |
| antitype wrote: |
| michiko to hatchin's opening is pretty sweet. i'm surprised that more people here aren't talking about this one. you all liked cowboy bebop, yes? |
The animation is sweet, but so far (8 or so eps in) nothing has happened in the plot to make me care, and the characters just aren't interesting enough to suck me in, either.
I'm kind of slowly watching it, but every time I finish an episode I wonder why I bothered. |
I like the characters, and while I started out really enjoying this series, the pacing is absolutely terrible. We're talking mountainous highs and lows when it comes to getting from point A to point B. As for Eureka 7, yes the first episodes are slow, but the pace picks up quickly and the characters maybe aren't likable, though Anemone is still a favorite antagonist of mine.
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km
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:50 am |
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Man, Toradora is actually good. Whoever said it was right, shitloads of heart.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 8:57 am |
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| km wrote: |
| Man, Toradora is actually good. Whoever said it was right, shitloads of heart. |
Having watched all currently aired episodes of Toradora, my train of thoughts across the series can be summarized like this (SPOILERS):
"Oh, I can see where this is going. Pfft, what a 'shocking' revelation. I'm sure they'll end up together anyw-... wait, wha-? Oh, well that was predicta-... wait, he loves WHO? THAT BASTARD!" |
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km
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:33 pm |
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| Lollerskater wrote: |
| km wrote: |
| Man, Toradora is actually good. Whoever said it was right, shitloads of heart. |
Having watched all currently aired episodes of Toradora, my train of thoughts across the series can be summarized like this (SPOILERS):
"Oh, I can see where this is going. Pfft, what a 'shocking' revelation. I'm sure they'll end up together anyw-... wait, wha-? Oh, well that was predicta-... wait, he loves WHO? THAT BASTARD!" |
spoilers
When they introduced Ami, I was thinking oh look, an antagonistic love interest. Ugh. Annoying.
But she's actually... legitimate. The whole "being equal" thing is something you don't really find in romantic comedies, it feels like.
shit i gotta get to work...
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remote
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:58 pm |
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this site is probably as full of terrible anime fan shit as you would expect any anime forum/social network to be, but at the very least the list feature itself is quite handy. anyone else use this?
http://myanimelist.net/animelist/antitype
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Mikey
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 3:22 pm |
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| km wrote: |
Toradora (SPOILERS):
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spoilers |
I mean it does seem pretty obvious that a certain outcome is, well, certain. Only, unlike a lot of these shows, you could actually make a pretty compelling case for other ones. |
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gambrinus
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:45 pm |
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| antitype wrote: |
this site is probably as full of terrible anime fan shit as you would expect any anime forum/social network to be, but at the very least the list feature itself is quite handy. anyone else use this?
http://myanimelist.net/animelist/antitype |
I haven't used that one but I did use something similar over at animenewsnetwork. Useful for keeping track of what you've seen for those days when you go, "wait, what was the name of that one show with the puma twins?" or something. |
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Gin
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:08 pm |
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| gambrinus wrote: |
| antitype wrote: |
this site is probably as full of terrible anime fan shit as you would expect any anime forum/social network to be, but at the very least the list feature itself is quite handy. anyone else use this?
http://myanimelist.net/animelist/antitype |
I haven't used that one but I did use something similar over at animenewsnetwork. Useful for keeping track of what you've seen for those days when you go, "wait, what was the name of that one show with the puma twins?" or something. |
Tank Police. What kind of person forgets tank police |
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remote
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:29 pm |
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so i might be writing some reviews at MAL
http://myanimelist.net/reviews.php?uid=120895
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Masaaki Yuasa's Kemonozume has been lurking just below anime fandom's collective radar for the last several years (and why it has not been met with more widespread acclaim let alone some distribution in English-speaking countries is beyond me), though it seems to be slowly gaining in popularity, or at least a cultish reverence among some. It's a show that begins with the Kifuuken, a clan of samurai dedicated to the slaughter of beasts known as the Flesh Eaters.
In the very first moments of the show we learn of a legend about a man rescuing a woman about to be sacrificed to the gods: when they run off together, the gods are angered and condemn them to feed on the flesh of humans in the form of monsters overwhelmed by rage, lust, and the urge to devour. And so the descendants of these banished lovers live on as Flesh Eaters, some of them choosing to embrace their inner beast, and some choosing to suppress their curse by will alone, retaining their human form and living normal human lives. The story here truly begins when a key member of the Kifuuken and a Flesh Eater woman fall in love before they know what each other are, and they end up on the run together, unsure of where to go or what to do, often doubting themselves and struggling to find a way.
In the end, Kemonozume, like Yuasa's own Mind Game, has a very simple thing to say: [spoiler]Love and dreams are worth fighting for even in the face of the "maddening, dreamless truth" of reality. Both leave us not with a sense of overwrought tragedy or profound enlightenment, but a reinvigorating affirmation of the importance of living for what we believe in[/spoiler] -- and perhaps most importantly, they do it with fucking style. The story of Kemonozume is a story that could have been told just as easily with vampires or anything less novel than the Flesh Eaters, but Yuasa's love of whimsical absurdity and horrific comedy coupled with the raw, emphatically hand-drawn and viscerally expressive style of animation flies in the face of generic anime stylings (particularly in the amazing final episodes — with the twelfth animated entirely by Michio Mihara (note that most of the visual style present throughout the series, though it naturally varies slightly or sometimes shockingly from episode to episode (to subtly kaleidoscopic effect), draws more from real life than from the insular concept of what anime is 'supposed to look like' (e.g. Barbie doll faces and sleek, 'flawless' imagery))). If you have an affinity for fresh and exciting things, for love and dreams that shred through all banality and misfortune, Kemonozume is for you. Take the leap. |
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gambrinus
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| Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 7:58 pm |
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| Tank Police. What kind of person forgets tank police |
That was more of a hypothetical than an actual question, although it probably has been close to 15 years since I watched it. In fact I don't actually remember anything about it other than the Puma Twins...I don't even remember how exactly tanks were involved in it.
Maybe I should rewatch it? |
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A New Duck
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 5:20 pm |
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| Nice writeup on Kemonozume, antitype. Why it (and Kaiba and Mind Game for that matter) hasn't garnered more respect is beyond me. Hopefully, it continues to gain popularity, if for no other reason than one day I want to have English-subtitled DVDs on my shelf. |
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A New Duck
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| Watched the first three episodes of Welcome to the NHK. Thus far, it's one of the best depictions of post-high school malaise I've seen. I'm a little wary of what's going to happen with Misaki, but so far I'm actually quite impressed and enjoying it very much. |
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Gironika
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 8:09 pm |
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Birdy the mighty Season 2 isn't as bad as I expected/feared ... it actually picks up where it stopped pretty well. I'm actually looking forward to seeing ep 2, despite a noticeable drop in quality/care drawing-quality-wise.
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remote
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:18 am |
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i'm watching now and then, here and there
it's slightly depressing
or maybe soul-crushing
like i might go drown myself in my bathtub if this doesn't end well
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I don't get where people make a connection with NTHT. To me it was like a generic ground beef taco with little pockets of shock value mustard and chili pepper. None of it artfully composed, balanced, or high quality.
HEY DON'T YOU FEEL BAD????? THESE KIDS ARE FIGHTING FOR A MAD MAN!!!!!! DON'T YOU FEEL BAD?????? THEY'RE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!
If it were handled tactfully in any way, then that might mean something else, but to me it just felt like a paint-by-numbers picture where the artist used hamster blood for number 7 because he's such a TROUBLED SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Talbain
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:55 am |
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| psiga wrote: |
I don't get where people make a connection with NTHT. To me it was like a generic ground beef taco with little pockets of shock value mustard and chili pepper. None of it artfully composed, balanced, or high quality.
HEY DON'T YOU FEEL BAD????? THESE KIDS ARE FIGHTING FOR A MAD MAN!!!!!! DON'T YOU FEEL BAD?????? THEY'RE KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!
If it were handled tactfully in any way, then that might mean something else, but to me it just felt like a paint-by-numbers picture where the artist used hamster blood for number 7 because he's such a TROUBLED SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Or perhaps your soul has already been thoroughly crushed.
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If I liked children in pain, then I would have at least finished watching NTHT. I gave up at episode 9 and should have done so at episode 3.
The suffering is too exaggerated and inauthentic to me, so I don't empathize at all. Generic magical-world anime with shock value torment? To each their own, I guess.
Should I watch Bokurano just in general? The OP tune is a thing of legend, but I haven't heard much about the show for the show's sake.
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I gave up on Bokurano about 6 episodes before the end. If a show can't keep you interested that close to the conclusion, it's missing something.
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remote
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:48 am |
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| psiga wrote: |
| I don't get where people make a connection with NTHT. To me it was like a generic ground beef taco with little pockets of shock value mustard and chili pepper. None of it artfully composed, balanced, or high quality. |
fair enough, but i think its ugliness is part of what makes it work. maybe it's not "high quality" but it creates a stifling atmosphere befitting a post-apocalyptic dystopia, red skies and desert all around. the idea is that these kids have been plunged into a world of war, rape, and murder -- and how will they deal with it? the kids native to this world have already succumbed to their fear of the war machine dominated by the fruitcake at the top of hellywood (kind of a dumb name for the place, i'll admit), while sara was strong enough to escape, and willing to kill to do so. shu has been forced to become a soldier, and is constantly rattling his cage -- if anything, i'm guessing he'll be the thing that causes these people to regain some hope and rise up against their dictator.
it feels like an anime someone made on a shoestring budget, and is arguably more "artful" than your average "high quality" anime.
anyway it's certainly keeping me more interested than eureka 7 was. supposedly that gets better, but so far i don't like any of the characters one bit, and it has such a boring pastel-colored look to it, for being a show about surfing mecha.
you guys should watch xam'd, though -- it's high-quality and it has exceptional characters. it is somewhat slower than you might expect, though, because of its lack of focus on action.
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We have differing tastes and read into different things.
I'll leave NTHT alone lest we initiate one of my nitpicking sprees, and also just say that I lost interest in Xam'd half way through despite wanting to like it.
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Diabolus ex Machina. I might like this guy, depending on how well he does it. Authenticity in suffering is hard to swing with anime. I'll try a few episodes some time, just to see.
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Gironika
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man, that Superrobot in that opening of REC where they are (obviously?) dubbing a anime looks totally awesome ... is there any superrobot-meta-madness to see like, at least 1/10000th like in Gekiganger?
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God. I really don't remember much about this show other than the fact that it was pretty terrible. I know I watched it during a period when, for some reason, there was nothing new that was good on, and I was suffering withdrawal and sought out a bunch of random series that I knew nothing about. Other series that I watched and hated during this time period include Green Green, Ninin ga Shinobuden, and Battle Programmer Shirase. (BPS did at least contain a fairly hilarious shout out to fansubbers) |
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Gironika
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| gambrinus wrote: |
| and Battle Programmer Shirase. (BPS did at least contain a fairly hilarious shout out to fansubbers) |
man, I didn't imagine this show then, good to know! It's a really unknown series and, to be true, I can't remember anything besides the main character being into german ambulance-cars ... yeah, speaking of being not-too-impressive. And said scene that was directed at fansubbers, I'd have totally forgotten about this if you hadn't mentioned it there) ... anyway, there were rumors of a second season but that never happened, I suppose.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:03 pm |
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wrote some junk about NTHT
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Now and Then, Here and There is a real wall-gazer. The kind of show that you pause to reflect upon, and then find yourself gazing deeply into the nearest wall. Spacing out, utterly deflated, with that melancholy soundtrack echoing through the halls of your mind -- like an empty ballroom, with only you left sitting at the bar. The dance is over, but the mood lingers, and there's not much you can do but sit and sigh... and realize you're a little bit older.
The hero of this story, Shu, is actually not so much a hero as he is just another victim of an ugly world gone wrong, and one who himself is nearly broken a number of times. What makes him stand out is his stubborn refusal to succumb to the hopelessness and terror of it all, even while everyone around him has been beaten down to the point where they commit terrible acts out of overwhelming fear and a desire to survive -- in some cases a distant yet precious hope that if they can make it through, they'll one day be set free from this hell that holds them captive.
Enduring this anime is along those lines. It's not badly animated, but it has a look and feel that suggests this was a project made on a low budget, yet with a lot of feeling behind it -- especially evident in the wistful ending theme. The setting is an alternate world, a bleak dystopian wasteland that seems to be made up of almost nothing but desert and blood-red sky; the atmosphere is stifling and oppressive. It's easy to understand how Shu must feel, having stumbled into this world gone mad, but while I become more and more depressed and anxious as characters descend further and further into misery and anguish with each episode, Shu never loses his resolve. Even after being beaten and starved and nearly killed a number of times, he retains his determination to protect those in need of help, and to try to reassure them that as grim as things seem, everything will be okay.
It's tough to believe him, in the face of so much kidnapping, murder, and rape, all at the behest of Lord Hamdo, the completely insane fruitcake dictator of Hellywood. Other characters will accuse Shu of lying, and you'll wonder if there really is any escape from the utterly dismal state of this nightmarish world. But you'll also find that there are fragments of hope, and in some kind of Dostoevskian sense one ultimately finds illumination in all this darkness and despair. The makers of this anime clearly wanted to say something, and they've gone about doing so in the harshest way they could muster. It's up to you if you can weather the journey, but I guarantee you'll come out on the other end a bit wiser for it. |
so guys, tell me about haruhi. supposedy it's great, perhaps even a "milestone" in anime history, but i have a hard time believing it's anything more than loli shit for weeaboos. haruhi is supposed to be god or something, right? i'm torrenting it right now, but please tell me if it's just going to be a shitfest. i might watch it anyway, but yeah.
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Haruhi. Got through like six episodes. I couldn't finish it. It was too... too fucking anime. It might be worth returning to to figure out what its popularity signifies or whatever, but I was pretty much bored by it (with occasional instances of hatred and fewer instances of amusement).
I liked the dance, though.
Also, there's like four different orders in which you can/should view it? Broadcast order, chronological order, Haruhi order or some shit? I hated that about it. |
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| thesycophant wrote: |
Haruhi. Got through like six episodes. I couldn't finish it. It was too... too fucking anime. It might be worth returning to to figure out what its popularity signifies or whatever, but I was pretty much bored by it (with occasional instances of hatred and fewer instances of amusement).
I liked the dance, though.
Also, there's like four different orders in which you can/should view it? Broadcast order, chronological order, Haruhi order or some shit? I hated that about it. |
yeah, i guess it was originally aired out of order by mistake, later to be corrected, and then fans came up with their own order or something? i guess i'll just watch it in whatever order these subs are, but maybe i'll wiki it and see what the deal is.
that sounds about like what i'm expecting.
i'm trying to finish die buster/top wo nerae! 2 right now. i've been stuck on the 4th episode for a while now because i fucking hate it and think it's an insult to gunbuster's pure awesomeness -- and i really don't care if its idea of mecha responding to the emotions of their pilots became the nucleus of gurren lagann's entire concept, it's far more contrived and corny here -- but the promise of an awesome ending lures me onward. i'm gonna be pretty disgusted if it fails to deliver.
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