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psiga
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 4:03 am        Reply with quote

alice wrote:
Is dennou Coil really worth watching.. It's kinda lame after watching Paprika you gotta admit. I started watching it because of the art/animation style. For some reason though, I always feel that the artits for dennou coil stole his style from Ghibli. I'm sure it's not, but that's the feeling i get when I watch it :p. I saw up to the second episode and the plot wasn't too intriguing and got ultra lamed up when the girl's grandma showed up and they form this stupid club...

Ep 1:
Glasses, digital pet, virus.

Ep 2:
Club lol.

Ep 3:
lol? we're in the same club and also the same class!!! lol!

First half of Ep 4:
lolol everybody is in the same class!!!!!!!

Second half of Ep 4:
Machine guns, missiles, spying, tension, awesome.

Ep 5:
introduce another character (in same class) w/cliffhanger ending!!?!?!??

First half of Ep 6:
o no, little sister :( ur getting in teh way :(

Second half of Ep 6:
introduce new "mysterious badass" character who's 16 and looks/acts 21

Ep 7:
o no, little sister :( ur getting in teh way AGAIN :((


And that's all that I've seen so far. Yes, it is a modernized Ghibli styling. This is drilled into your face in ep 6 when little sister cries overly-animated gelatinous tears just like in a Ghibli film.

I'm becoming progressively more disappointed in the series. Trite, shallow shit in a pretty universe.

I mean, let's be honest: It's not made for people in their late teens to mid twenties. Still, Ghibli films don't have the eye-rollingly hackneyed crap that this show pulls like it's no big deal.

In closing:
unchi! unchi! unchi! unchi! unchi!

Edit: When I say "trite, shallow shit" I mean that the characters have history and layers, and there are mysteries to solve, but everything feels so formulaic. It's a little paint-by-numbers routine that doesn't challenge the audience. "Will the kids all become friends in the end?" PROBABLY!!! "What are the virus things?" DOESN'T MATTER LOL!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:27 am        Reply with quote

Gurren Lagann is still the best series of the season, and definitely a highlight of the past few years. Dennou Coil depends entirely on its seductive setting; episode 4 was great, but I can see from people's comments how it could go downhill.

Paprika is imaginative and beautiful and on 2nd viewing, just how imaginative and beautiful it is becomes more apparent; I can appreciate it for everything Satoshi Kon accomplishes with it, but ever since Millenium Actress I have wanted, or waited, to be moved by an animated film as much as that film moved me.

Tekkon Kinkreet is currently screening in NY at the Quad and LA at the Landmark. I'm going to try to catch it when I go to LA for a show in a week and a half. From what I've heard, it's visually amazing and thematically challenging.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:01 am        Reply with quote

I still have Ep 4 of Denno on my hard drive; just to give people an idea of how great Ep 4 is. Hands-down the best episode so far. Was hoping that it'd keep going that way, but instead went for hackneyed set-ups, filler, and one of my most peevey of pet-peeves in paint-by-numbers storylines: Little sister disobeys orders and gets everyone into trouble.

I'll check up on Guuguu Lagwagon after it completes. Hate the visual style, but am willing to accept that the storytelling trumps all other aspects.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:08 am        Reply with quote

psiga wrote:

I'll check up on Guuguu Lagwagon after it completes. Hate the visual style, but am willing to accept that the storytelling trumps all other aspects.


uh oh. save time and just watch the recap ep(s?). The story could have been interesting, but its definitely secondary to the progression of robots & fighting - which I'm completely okay with.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:17 pm        Reply with quote

I'd advise against watching the recap only. Without the pacing and progression spread over time you're missing most of the flavour, if not all.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:18 pm        Reply with quote

I have seen Tekkonkinkreet and recommend it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:41 am        Reply with quote

Why the fuck haven't I seen any posts about The Afro Samurai, starring Samuel L. Jackson and Ron Perlman with music by the Rza?





















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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:57 am        Reply with quote

Afro samurai was gluttonous animation and pretty badass. But I felt the plot was weak and it did too good of a job joining the part of western culture that I don't care about, and the part of japanese animation that I'm ashamed to say I watch.

I'm glad I downloaded gurren laguan, I can't wait to watch it. I was immedietly sold when I saw the art style and more importantly, the mechas which will no doubtly rock hard.

Oh, but I think the real reason why no one talks about afrosamurai is because.



And I think this thread needs more tekkon kinkreet with no spoilers because I still haven't seen it yet pbllt.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:55 pm        Reply with quote

I just started watching Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, a.k.a. So Long, Mr. Despair.

It's very strange! It has a suicidal protagonist! It has really odd animation! It's black comedy! I kind of like it!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:02 pm        Reply with quote

Holy Paprika, Batman! It seems like this was done by someone that was involved with some of Satoshi Kon's works as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:11 pm        Reply with quote

It's not black comedy. It's, you know, emo-Azumanga. He has an uplifting, moral view about dying and how much life sucks.

I like how on the second episode he has a book named "Death Note" that he calls his "travel partner list".
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:18 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, I just watched episode 2, and I must agree. Black Comedy is a bit of a miscategorization. It's still hilarious, though.

Also, the ED is fantastic.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:18 pm        Reply with quote

Gironika wrote:
Holy Paprika, Batman! It seems like this was done by someone that was involved with some of Satoshi Kon's works as well.


I'm almost certain you mean what I think you mean in which case i'd say that Paprika was done by Satoshi Kon otherwise it wouldn't be so BADASS.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2007 7:28 pm        Reply with quote

Woahly shit, Afro Samurai looks amazing.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:27 pm        Reply with quote

alice wrote:
I'm almost certain you mean what I think you mean in which case i'd say that Paprika was done by Satoshi Kon otherwise it wouldn't be so BADASS.

Yes. Tokyo Godfathers, Millennium Actress, Paprika, Paranoia Agent ... they all feature that typical Satoshi Kon(?) male. Can't wait for the DVD release to rewatch Paprika and Millennium Actress back-to-back...
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 11:33 am        Reply with quote

Have you guys talked about King of Bandit Jing yet? I'm actually rewatching this show now. I forgot how it was not only awesome, but also had some of the greatest and weirdest character designs and world setup.

Like in episode two, he fights a living boat anchor.

The show pretty much follows Jing, the King of Bandits. Only he's a teenager, so no one ever thinks he's the king of bandits. His best friend is a talking bird named Kir, and essentially they try to steal some item every story arch. (Most storylines are 2 or 3 episodes.)

A running theme throughout the series is Jing interrupting the common order of things, such as deposing of despots or causing riots. Usually, this makes things better for the people in the story, sort of mirroring Jing's own lawlessness and how it might even be a good thing.

It's decidedly light on the emo, and, well, tons of fun really. With what they reveal of Jing's background, they really could have made it depressing, too.

I haven't seen Jing in Seventh Heaven, unfortunately. It's pretty old, so I dunno how I would. Or read the manga past volume 1.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:59 pm        Reply with quote

I didn't really care much for Jing, honestly. The character design was strange, yes, but I didn't like it very much, and they kept trying to hint that there might be some sort of underlying story connecting all of the episodes, but there really wasn't.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:21 pm        Reply with quote

Anybody else watching "Denno Coil"? This shit is as intriguing as shit!
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 4:24 pm        Reply with quote

I'm watching Tekkaman Blade, and I really don't understand I've heard neither Ging/Krabjuice/Simon Belmont talk about it. It's a very watchable robot anime, with sci-fi ness added in. I think it might be a classic, it's very 80's. The main character sports a mullet.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 5:31 pm        Reply with quote

Started watching Goodbye Mr Despair (Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei) kinda by accident, and it's awesome, with a rather surreal direction. It's about an overly pessimistic, suicidal japanese high school teacher confronted to an overly optimistic, oddball student. The rest of the class is more or less like a disfunctional harem anime, with the girls being hikkikomori, crazy stalkers, illegal immigrants or having split personalities (to list those seen so far). It's insanely amusing for a story where the main character constantly wants to hang himself.

Also Gurren Lagann has been taking further steps towards awesomeness lately.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:04 am        Reply with quote

The thing about anime, unfortunately (and this is totally subjective, I am not going to try to justify it), is that whereas manga is usually great, anime-wise there is an overwhelming volume of SHIT flooding the market. I would go as far as saying that MOST ANIME IS SHIT, even if they came after a nice manga counterpart. This is specially true if we are talking about TV series, and not so much if we talk about theatrical releases.

So while there might be good stuff out there, just like this thread revealed by the amount of suggestions, you are going to have to go through loads of rubbish to check out wether this people are right or not.

So my suggestion is, unless you are doing a reseach and feel the need to waste zillions of hours (since TV series will also take you some episodes to allow you an opinion) skip TV series altogether and try movies. I guess movies are usually more expensive, so they make sure not to suck as much.

For the suggestions, if you are on to shojo, I HIGHLY recommend TOKI O KAKERU SHOJO (The girl who leapt through time) and BRAVE STORY. Both are very beautiful and tender stories. Haven't checked their manga (which came AFTER the movies AFAIK) or novels, though, but precisely what I like from them is that it is one beging-end experience. (Both end with a little big of an "excuse me?", though, so you've been warned).

Edit: just for the record, I LOVE anime that is not shit.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 12:14 am        Reply with quote

I would advise exactly the opposite. Movies are almost entirely irrelevant to anime. Besides Miyazaki, Mamoru Oshii, and Satoshi Kon* stuff, anime films rarely work. Although TV adaptations of manga are sometimes inferior, movie adaptations of manga are worse because they can't cover much of the story.

The problem isn't that anime TV series suck, it's that anime in general has sucked for a long time now.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:02 am        Reply with quote

digi wrote:
Anybody else watching "Denno Coil"? This shit is as intriguing as shit!

Top post of this thread has my condensed feelings on eps 1 through 7. I know that 8 became available yesterday'ish, but only in 720p, and my system is JUST BARELY too slow to do 720p smoothly. Which sucks shit, but what can you do.

Ebrey wrote:
Besides Miyazaki, Mamoru Oshii, and Satoshi Kon* stuff, anime films rarely work.

On that note, the Fist of the North Star animated movie (first of three) is really good. Aside from the actions of one character who is out of the manga's canon, I would call the movie an excellent adaptation of FotNS. Far more interesting than the anime, to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:20 am        Reply with quote

Has anybody else here watched "Sugoi, Masaru-san! Sexy Commando Gaiden?"

It was hilarious.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:50 am        Reply with quote

Renfrew wrote:
Has anybody else here watched "Sugoi, Masaru-san! Sexy Commando Gaiden?"

It was hilarious.


YAH!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:52 am        Reply with quote

psiga wrote:

On that note, the Fist of the North Star animated movie (first of three) is really good. Aside from the actions of one character who is out of the manga's canon, I would call the movie an excellent adaptation of FotNS. Far more interesting than the anime, to me.


Eh, My friend went through the trouble of pretending it was good so he could make me watch it. you really thought it was good? i thought it was terrible.

oh, except for the part where a giant image of raoh's hores falls on a bunch of stupid soldiers and they all exshplode. That was pretty kewl.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 7:15 am        Reply with quote

Did you watch the anime series at all? I can't take the series' pacing and bland animation. The movie is everything the series is not, as far as pacing and production quality.

If you're not into any of the Fist of the North Star stuff, then indeed, it's an acquired taste. Like trying to get people to like Metalocalypse: You either like it or you don't.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 8:38 am        Reply with quote

Anime surrendered its camp value somewhere in the mid 90's and became downright fetishistic and bland in 2000 or so. Anime not really the quirky, gritty cartoons that I came to expect from the few glimpses I got on late night scifi channel so many years ago. :\
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:39 am        Reply with quote

EmX wrote:
Anime not really the quirky, gritty cartoons that I came to expect from the few glimpses I got on late night scifi channel so many years ago. :\

Just in the past page or two:




Though I still see where you're coming from.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:20 am        Reply with quote

It's getting strangely hard to find all of the current Dennou Coil eps. They're up to 12 in Japan, but my preferred sub group stopped around 7. I've gotten 9 and 11 from an alternate group, but when I searched for 8 and 10 from them there was nothing. Argh.

So I watched 9 (despite not seeing 8 yet), and it was pretty great. Best one since episode 4.

Plus the teacher gets trashed:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:48 pm        Reply with quote

guys I have become disenchanted with anime.

this sucks

Also guys Shigurui is fucking terrifying.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:53 pm        Reply with quote

Also guys I had a dream once about a girl who could manipulate time and a boy who could manipulate space. The boy was helping the girl travel through dimensions and time so that they could find her mom.

Is there actually an anime like that I figure the chances are pretty high.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 9:48 pm        Reply with quote

After some guys said that the first episode of lucky star sucked, did anyone bother to watch more than that?

Five down and I'm starting to enjoy that series albeit wondering if I should have continued after the first ep initially ... but it seems to pick up, I suppose.

Anyone else?



Rewatching Nadessico currently and that one is so much fun. Finding all the references to Robot animes is really hard since they put so muh effort into making them seem normal.
The most ridiculous moment up till now is the scene where Akito nods when Joe, the Hero of Gekiganger III (the anime-series the hero is watching) says that he wanted to marry a girl who can cook since he was young. That was hilarious and scary at the same time.... and I wish for more Gekiganger III.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:28 pm        Reply with quote

See if you can find a torrent of GEKIGANGAR III: THE MOVIE.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2007 10:39 pm        Reply with quote

I'm liking Afro Samurai right now.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:30 am        Reply with quote

Ging wrote:
Also guys I had a dream once about a girl who could manipulate time and a boy who could manipulate space. The boy was helping the girl travel through dimensions and time so that they could find her mom.

Is there actually an anime like that I figure the chances are pretty high.


Toki wo Kakeru Shoujo (The Girl Who Leapt Through Time) is about a girl who discovers a limited means of time travel and uses it for what you'd actually expect a teenage girl to use it for. It's a good movie.
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elmimmo wrote:
The thing about anime, unfortunately (and this is totally subjective, I am not going to try to justify it), is that whereas manga is usually great, anime-wise there is an overwhelming volume of SHIT flooding the market. I would go as far as saying that MOST ANIME IS SHIT, even if they came after a nice manga counterpart. This is specially true if we are talking about TV series, and not so much if we talk about theatrical releases.


Unfortunately, this is true of pretty much any form of artistic medium -- manga, anime, american TV, etc. Sometimes it's just easier to find the good stuff than others.

It has been increasingly hard to find good anime for the past few years though, I'll give you that. I've been slowly easing my way back into the scene after spending way too much time on 4chan lately. It's a lot easier to find stuff I'm interested in when I can just hit the internet and get a wide range of opinions on whatever's out now.

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For the suggestions, if you are on to shojo, I HIGHLY recommend TOKI O KAKERU SHOJO (The girl who leapt through time)


Oh god yes. TOKI O KAKERU SHOJO is the best movie I've seen this year.

Somebody needs to hurry up and liscence it already.
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From the director of Texhnolyze: Shigurui.

I don't know much about the story since I've only seen one episode and have not read the (supposedly very violent) manga it was based on. The story revolves around 2 samurais: Fujiki, who is missing an arm, and Irako, blind and limping. They are going to battle in a tournament, where, as decreed by a vile-looking high official, they are going to use real katanas instead of wooden kendo swords. But before their swords actually meet (the rituals Irako does before battle are some of the most extreme scenes of animation I've ever seen) we're brought seven (or 8, I forget) years into the past to witness the first time both samurais meet, without any of the deformities mentioned above. Also, broken fingers and a dude almost strangled to death with a kendo sword.

There's obviously more depth to it, as these two aren't the only characters in the series, but you'll have to see for yourself to witness the hints of intrigue that may or may not be unraveled during the course of the series.

The trailer does not lie about the visuals. The series has a very visceral look to it and achieves this using a variety of techniques: overexposure, extreme camera angles, highly detailed still frames, rapidly moving rough sketches, etc. The music, however, is different from the pounding drums of the trailer. There is some melody to the soundscape, but during several sequences all you'll hear is high-pitched noise and the sounds a samurai would make while engaging in psychological warfare with his adversary.

The first episode has been subbed, see here.

Also, there's apparanetly some crap about this series in Second Life. I had no idea SL has a presence in Japan, but there you go.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 11:17 am        Reply with quote

i watched the violinist of hamelin movie yesterday, and that was great. but it was a 90s fantasy anime, so i might be biased.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 1:50 pm        Reply with quote

Quick Shot II Turbo wrote:
Shigurui


I'm going to give this a shot just based on the fact that the opening song isn't yet another crappy pop song. Thanks for the heads-up!
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