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elvis.shrugged



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:41 am        Reply with quote

Bad Lieutenant is one of the most entertaining movies of the last couple of years, yeah.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:31 am        Reply with quote

Pretty sure you both know what I meant there.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:42 am        Reply with quote

Grizzly Man was pretty amazing/hilarious too. Also, Agularia: The Wrath of God is a pretty amazing adventure film. Yeah, I totally spelled that shit wrong.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 4:52 am        Reply with quote

rabite gets whacked! wrote:
Pretty sure you both know what I meant there.


Pretty sure you knew what I meant, too!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 1:13 pm        Reply with quote

Touche.

Anyway, I am surprised you didn't find it at all engaging on an aesthetic level until the end.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 3:07 pm        Reply with quote

I liked the color, and there's a few other tracking shots down the river that have a really nice, pretty ominousness to them. But, and this is more subjective which is why I didn't bring it up before because I recognize that it might not be a flaw in the movie so much as a bias in my own personal preferences, I found a lot of the haphazard camera work (lots of handheld that tilts and pans but otherwise remains stationary, compositions that seem awkward and unrehearsed) to be distracting rather than immersive. In a more formally composed movie I might've lost myself in the mixture of tension and beauty and what not, but for some reason all that jittering and unstaged mise en scene just gave it a feel of affected chaos that I never bought into.
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CS while he was driving me from my grandparent's house in Pierce this morning to Lewiston, Idaho, so I could finally get on a plane and get to Oregon, the guy with the purple face got to telling me about the time he stumbled on a bear in the woods on the way to a fishing hole, panicked, and emptied his .45 automatic into it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:38 am        Reply with quote

ghost_dinosaur the guy with the purple face liked Aguirre when we checked it out from the library in Alaska what in the sam hill
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I saw The Social Network, it was alright. The weird thing is, one of the guys who made Youtube went to my high school, and he came in to talk to us once because he's rich and has nothing better to do. Youtube started out as a video version of hotornot.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:12 am        Reply with quote

http://www.slate.com/id/2269262/

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Otherwise, Malick edited by watching one reel at a time, with the sound off, while listening to a Green Day CD.

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Otherwise, Malick edited by watching one reel at a time, with the sound off, while listening to a Green Day CD.

Man, I thought that line was a joke!

Someone recommended this movie to me ages ago, right, so I bought it for like $5 at Walmart one day in a bin years ago... I've never watched it. I very well may!
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Otherwise, Malick edited by watching one reel at a time, with the sound off, while listening to a Green Day CD.

This changes everything.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:06 pm        Reply with quote

it is a complete mystery to me what makes people think terence malick is a marketable genius and michael cimino is a waste of time. i mean, i know there are obvious differences but i have been plodding through 'heaven's gate' lately and it really isn't all that bad. he really should have been allowed to keep making dead-slow landscape epics (like malick seems to somehow keep finding the money to do) instead of making boring movies with mickey rourke (not that there's anything wrong with that).

i also just watched 'the new world' (in fact, i think i may have only put 'heaven's gate' on my netflix list months ago because i thought it was actually 'days of heaven'). it was good, but you'd think a director as iconoclastic and cerebral as malick would know better than to include a romance scene in a sunflower field in his movie about pocahontas. i half expected one of colin ferrel's dreamy narrated monologues to include the lines, "And now, I truly can paint with all of the colors of the wind..."
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:11 pm        Reply with quote

Also based on the slate description of his on set and editing behavior i think wong kar wai is probably a better terence malick than terence malick is
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http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/classic/features/ciminos-final-cut-200203
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Hahahaha HIGH DEFINITION!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:46 pm        Reply with quote

BFI have uploaded the entirety of Death and the Compass.



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In a nightmare city inhabited only by criminals and police, a mystic detective finds a tool to catch a villainous outlaw. Augmented by a non-linear narrative style, Miguel Sandoval’s unhinged and digressive narration, by mystical and religious overtones and a keen visual sensibility, Death and the Compass is a distinctly unique experience.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:36 pm        Reply with quote

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shrugtheironteacup wrote:
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Otherwise, Malick edited by watching one reel at a time, with the sound off, while listening to a Green Day CD.

This changes everything.


Malick has done similarly weird stuff before. While cast members of The Thin Red Line auditioned, he pulled out a pair of bongos, and started playing along to the main theme of "Where Eagles Dare" on vinyl.

It doesn't change anything for me, Malick is still an incredible force in the world of cinema, even if his myth augments his abilities far past their natural limits.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:48 pm        Reply with quote

Al Pacino to play Phil Spector in an HBO movie by David Mamet.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:10 am        Reply with quote

Do we like The Social Network here? I saw it tonight and loved it.
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Do we like The Social Network here? I saw it tonight and loved it.


i saw it last night. i loved the music, and i thought the actors did a very excellent job with all the sorkin-y dialogue. there were a few moments that seemed too overtly West Wing-Y, but still good. but overall i felt kind of disappointed by it--i think i was just expecting something with a somewhat broader scope, coming from fincher and w/ a title like "the social network." i wanted to see a few more dimensions of the zuckerberg character (he really does come off as a sociopath, and i think that's kind of unfortunate). to me the most entertaining parts were those that dealt with the original concept of 'the facebook' as a site that would bring the social life of a very exclusive, very high pressure university on to the internet--masterminded by someone who has resigned himself to always being on the outside of every kind of social circle. so inevitably he is going to zero in on the most predatory aspects of that society, which ends up making him more successful than the winklevoss twins. they are more successful socialites, but because it is effortless for them they don't seem to really understand how it works. but that stuff all kind of goes away once the sean parker character is introduced, and i just found the saverin-parker-zuckerberg triangle to be a lot less interesting...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:46 am        Reply with quote

Those are fair criticisms! I just saw it so I honestly haven't had a chance to really process it. I agree that the first part of the film--the primordial elements of what became the Facebook and the examination of social networks--to be the best. I especially enjoyed sequences like the coding of "Facemash," which married the soundtrack to the movie perfectly. I did enjoy Timberlake's Parker, though, so the film was able to maintain that momentum for me. I also really liked the ending a lot, which seemed to sum up its portrayal of Zuckerberg: sociopathic and forever on the edge of society, looking in, waiting to be "friended."

I was also sort of surprised that the film didn't touch on what is the biggest problem with Facebook at the present: the erosion of privacy and the many advertisers descending on it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:47 am        Reply with quote

It's on my list of things to see. May see it next week.
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elvis.shrugged wrote:
Those are fair criticisms! I just saw it so I honestly haven't had a chance to really process it. I agree that the first part of the film--the primordial elements of what became the Facebook and the examination of social networks--to be the best. I especially enjoyed sequences like the coding of "Facemash," which married the soundtrack to the movie perfectly. I did enjoy Timberlake's Parker, though, so the film was able to maintain that momentum for me. I also really liked the ending a lot, which seemed to sum up its portrayal of Zuckerberg: sociopathic and forever on the edge of society, looking in, waiting to be "friended."

I was also sort of surprised that the film didn't touch on what is the biggest problem with Facebook at the present: the erosion of privacy and the many advertisers descending on it.

I didn't like how it ended at all. Parker gets arrested, and then the movie just ends. Site has 500 milliion users, movie ends when they hit 1 million. I was actually looking forward to it opening to non-college students because I remember that happening and it being a BIG DEAL even though I wouldn't join the site myself for years.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:19 am        Reply with quote

yea, i'd definitely still recommend it to almost anyone, slight letdowns aside. i have a feeling there must be some potential to release a longer version on DVD that would give it a real ending and fill in some of the blanks with the characters. i also can't think of any other 'bio pic' type movies that have been made while the subjects are still at some kind of high point in their careers. except for that movie about the late night wars? weird stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 4:23 am        Reply with quote

Well, I was referring specifically to the very last scene, which I feel could have been pulled off even if they continued the story. I was hoping for that myself actually, waiting for the floodgates to open circa 2006 and saying "hey, that's when I joined!" Yes, I'm a loser. It would have been nice to see the film tackle that BIG DEAL (and others, like the privacy and advertising nonsense), but I guess that would have taken focus away from the court deposition storyline (which may have been a worse idea).
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 10:23 pm        Reply with quote

Never Let Me Go is quite beautiful and well acted.

Read the book instead.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:12 pm        Reply with quote

Jordan Mechner has posted his original screenplay for Prince of Persia.
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Ebert doesn't like Salon's review of Secretariat. I have no intention of seeing a sentimental horse racing movie shot in Kinkadian golden tones and starring Diane Lane so I may be a bit biased, but seriously Ebert, 4 stars??
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:03 pm        Reply with quote

That salon review is a bit hyperbolic (though he'd dead on about the audience).

Ebert himself can be a bit of a softy/middlebrow, but I still think he's an excellent writer, especially in regards to his blog.
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The guy's response to Ebert is basically that he was hyperbolic on purpose. I think that's a lame defense and find his review hyperbolic as well, but its core is essentially true.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:35 pm        Reply with quote

It would be a lame response if Ebert didn't do exactly the same thing in his negative reviews. Also Ebert is constantly spewing mad anti-tea party "satire" on his twitter and when he's not doing that it is chilled-out lefty vibes all around. I think Ebert was just pissed off that the review managed (or attempted) to turn a movie that won him over into an emblem of the thing he seems to despise most in the world. It also puts him in the awkward position of sharing an opinion with Rush Limbaugh, which must be irksome.

Ebert, ever the classy gentleman, manages to turn his response-to-a-response into another hilarious jab at SB favorite Armond White, which sort of redeems him for me. It's interesting, though, b/c in the White v. Ebert clash (which began with Ebert defending White for a review he wrote, [I think of District 9?] and ended with Ebert looking at White's list of favorite movies and declaring, half-seriously, that it made him worthless as a critic) Ebert sort of played the clown to White's humorless analyst. In this case the roles are reversed, and now Ebert is the one with no sense of humor. Oh, film critics.
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Well, "you do it too" is another brand of lame response. But either way, yes, it appears that the two have buddied up by snickering over even worse critics. No matter their squabbles, Secretariat is still a golden-toned American exceptionalist fable about what utterly privileged white people can accomplish given just a little grit and determination. There's essentially no room in the world for a movie like that. It's worse than useless.
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CubaLibre wrote:
The guy's response to Ebert is basically that he was hyperbolic on purpose. I think that's a lame defense and find his review hyperbolic as well, but its core is essentially true.

I can't blame him for not taking a movie like Secretariat seriously. People that will see it don't care what reviewers think of it, and I'm going to guess there's nothing special about the craft behind Secretariat.
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All of that sounds excellent. Maybe Pacino's return to relevant work? And, you know, he actually does look like Spector! I'm not too knowledgeable on David Mamet's work, but a biopic seems like really interesting material for him.
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Some of the footage of Eric Stoltz in Back to the Future is coming to the new release

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Some of the footage of Eric Stoltz in Back to the Future is coming to the new release



he does remind me more of crispin glover around 0:44, oddly enough
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Alien prequel all but confirmed to be an abortion.

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