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PostPosted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:41 pm        Reply with quote

Abel Ferrara Fuck Yeah.

So hey, Gran Torino was really terrible, yeah? Has anybody made a youtube yet of Grandpaw Clint intercut with snarling dogs? (Actually, the camp half was better than the melodrama half, at least).

Everyone should watch Le Trou cause it's seriously committed. This is how you break out of prison, motherfuckers. I liked it better than Rififi.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 6:25 pm        Reply with quote

I was expecting more from Control, given all the hype. Beyond the B&W and aesthetics just a touch beyond purely functional, it's a pretty standard biopic, and one centered on a character without enough real content to prop up a feature length film (at least not the way he was portrayed in it). It's kind of Debbie's movie anyway, and I almost would have rather seen the whole thing from her perspective, especially with Morton in the role. Riley (and Kebbell) was fine too, but he wasn't really much of a character until maybe the last quarter.

My litmus tests for biopics is "If this was fiction and not based on existing figures, would it be a good movie?" Very few pass (actually, I can really only think of I'm Not There off the top of my head).
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 6:50 pm        Reply with quote

I don't think Herzog has quite the touch with nature as say, Malick, but on the whole:




You're pretty lame.
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It sounds to me like you spent a lot of time thinking allegorically instead of really watching the movie, Ghost. I liked it for its portrayal of the dissolution of human psyche and society when confronted with (and immersed in) the scope of the natural world beyond man's control. I thought Kinski played it perfectly. I thought the Popol Vuh score was fantastic. And I think that getting it all made was an astounding act of creativity.

ghost_dinosaur wrote:
I imagine it's a movie, much like its successor Apocalypse Now, that is more fun to read about stories of what happened during the shooting than it is to actually sit through the end product.

Wait, you went into a Herzog movie looking for fun?
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Pretty sure you both know what I meant there.
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Touche.

Anyway, I am surprised you didn't find it at all engaging on an aesthetic level until the end.
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The Road makes a lot more sense when you watch it with your infant sleeping on your chest. It becomes a kind of shattering experience.

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That usually throws you off the scent. Is Scarlett Johansson a good actress? I don't know. I can't tell.


I'd say she's a good character actor. Actually, I think her Tom Waits album was probably her greatest role, if that makes any sense.
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You know what film is really underrated? The King of Comedy.

Might be my favorite of Scorsese.


Agreed on both counts (though I don't hold Scorsese all that highly, personally). I feel like After Hours usurps most of the love that King Of Comedy deserves.
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Just watched Interiors, Crimes & Misdemeanors & rewatched Sweet And Lowdown. I'm really beginning to think the latter's the only Woody Allen movie I actually like.
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sweet and lowdown is pretty brilliant. i'm surprised crimes and misdemeanors didn't hold up but i suppose it is a little outrageous. this is just a hunch, but i would suggest that you also like deconstructing harry and zelig.

edit: history has shown deconstructing harry to be a powerfully prophetic movie, because it presaged the degenerate writer/academic trend of wonder boys, the squid and the whale, and that weird movie with dennis quaid by several years.


I think it comes down to me finding Woody to be a generally shit writer. He seems to have ideas, but the actual connections and flow between them seldom seem to be recognizably human or interesting, and all of his characters either sound featureless or like Woody Allen clones. Maybe it's his standup roots or something (disclosure: can't stand Seinfeld or Larry David either), but even his best actors seem to have trouble getting past the scripts. I'm guessing Sweet and Lowdown might have worked because A) It didn't have Woody playing a character and B) It was mostly monologue, avoiding his typical banter and C) Penn and Morton were just awesome. Also, it was a movie about Woody's passion (jazz music and folklore) rather than his profession (movies and being an upper-class white guy).
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In'jun Genocide.

Bullet time.

Orange.


The Atlantic is just begging to be painted teal, right?
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Is that it? I mean, acclaim for stuff like Crimes & Misdemeanors is so universal (at least Rosenbaum agrees with me, but that's about it) that it's got me questioning my own faculties.
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I didn't mind the flashback; at least Allen was trying to make a living character there. It was everything else with Landau's character that felt cardboard to me. He never sold it to me on any emotional level.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:21 am        Reply with quote

Born Into Brothels
These kids will be whores
unless they're educated
good luck there, lady

The Limits of Control
I don't speak Spanish
I have Christopher Doyle
to do the talking

District 9
I liked this man more
when he was killing babies
now he's just boring

Dark Habits
Nuns on LSD
the convent's pet tiger is
not Chekhovian

35 Rhums
Unspeakable loss
we'll dance instead of speaking
your clothes match this wall
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:46 pm        Reply with quote

Decalogue, pt. 1
The kid's a genius
Dad's a heathen technophile
God: asshole Luddite.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:35 am        Reply with quote

Heist
This is plotting, here.
Is Gene Hackman gonna lose?
(Of course fucking not.)
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And I was just thinking "Hmm, they're almost out of Harry Potter movies. What's going to be the next holiday cash cow franchise?"

Smart move going the CGI route, then. No way they can keep some kid looking like Tintin for the next 24 years.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:14 am        Reply with quote

The Red Shoes on BD, the Malicks if you're into him.

And those Eclipse boxes get mighty enticing. May be worth it for me to pick up that newer (older) Kurosawa set, even if it isn't his finest work.
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Any of you visually/sensuously inclined folks should find yourselves a copy of I Am Love, immediately.
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Great, can he avoid turning it into a sub-par genre flick?
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Pro-Apocalyptic wrote:

Oh, and if the portrayal of ballet culture is accurate (I don't know if it is, I lived with a ballerina for like a year and she was very laid-back and pleasant), then my ill-conceived prejudices against the medium were dead on.


Watch The Company probably. Also, the "Prima Ballerina" thing is a throwback; these days at the NYCB the roles are usually pretty interchangeable between the ~20 principles and some soloists.

This Machine Kills Fascis wrote:
Aronofsky was there for a Q&A, and apparently he said the laughter confused him and he wasn't sure how he felt about it.


I find that pretty telling.


Tulpa wrote:
The Fountain was total garbage almost redeemed by interesting low budget special effects.


Replace "almost redeemed by" with "featuring" and I'd agree with you.
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I've apparently now watched 100 films this year, which I think is a pretty good pace considering the two jobs and an infant I've got.

I Am Love was the best of the current ones, by a country mile.

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Dracko wrote:
17 minutes of deleted footage from Kubrick's 2001 found in perfect condition.


On the one hand cool, on the other that site has more typos than Kotaku.

"a strangely intimare film"


"intimare" is Italian for "to command", so yeah, in a sense that works.
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Dracko wrote:

But where's Heavy Rain?!


It's #6.
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I watched Street Thief, which is a fake documentary about a burglar. It plays the doc part totally straight (as opposed to Man Bites Dog, say), and if it were real it'd be really interesting in a you-can't-make-this-shit-up way, but since it's actually made up it kind of sucks. Frustrating because they created an interesting, detailed character and world, but then had to go and shove it into a bogus plot.

Ronnoc wrote:
Missed this the first time around.
Dracko wrote:
Roger Ebert's top 10 films of the year.

But where's Heavy Rain?!

Seems like as good at time as any to bring up how much I dislike Roger Ebert. It's not because we disagree all the time, even! This dude can not stay on subject, and it's incredible. He only has like 650 words or something to tell us about the movies and he's always talking about other stuff.
I mean, he even does it here. Dude spends a paragraph talking about what he dreams about while justifying Inception's place in the top 10 :-/


I think those may be excerpts from his longer reviews. Either way, it's kind of a shit list, and I'm not certain it's even genuine (in the comments he makes a note about the list being films which had the most "impact", and he doesn't specify whether that was a personal statement or just a general assessment of their reception). Maybe I'm just disappointed to see a year end film list headed by 2 biopics and an Aronofsky, and including a Nolan flick. But I generally agree with you- he's drifted a lot, to the detriment of his reviews and the great benefit of his blog.
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My biggest issue with Aronofsky is just how plain boring he is, beneath all the flash. Contrast his work with someone like Noe, who employs just as many stylistic tricks but has them rooted in a genuinely degenerate, full blooded place, and Aronofsky comes off like a nervous teenager. He shoots for body horror but ends up with titillation.

Honestly, I haven't watched a movie of his since The Fountain because that was just awful and posts like Tulpa's make me pretty certain he's still pulling the same old shit.
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108 wrote:
i just watched "apocalypto", after a couple years of everyone i know telling me to watch it. i was lucky to be able to watch it on blu-ray on my dad's enormous LED HDTV.

i didn't realize that, at over age thirty, i would still be able to see a film for the first time and consider it my Favorite Film Ever.

it had everything! minimal exposition, a ziggurat, and a hot / sometimes-naked pregnant female lead!

mel gibson, in addition to being a psychopath who sometimes screams at his wife over the telephone while being clandestinely tape-recorded, is also crazy enough to probably literally believe he has actually met / conversed with god before, which more or less makes him what professional film critics would call an "artistic genius".

wow! what a great film. i might watch it again someday.


Sometimes it's awfully hard to tell when you're trolling.
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108 wrote:

"apocalypto" is basically as good a movie as "out of this world" is a game, and for many of the same reasons!


Now see, I'd say Out Of This World had a sense of restraint and a simplicity of purpose, and wouldn't have worked with a Ziggurat and eclipse as deus ex machina (thanks, Tintin!), whereas Apocalypto had more rolleyes than anything I've seen since the second season of 24 when Jack Bauer's daughter is getting chased by cougars. Was I supposed to be falling out of my chair laughing by the time of the birth? I'm not certain that was Gibson's intent.
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Yes, who cribbed it from that O.G. Chris Columbus. The difference between these four examples being that in all of them except Apocalypto our heroes cunningly plan such an event, but in Gibsontopia this shit just happens.
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This Machine Kills Fascis wrote:
Cocaine Socialist wrote:
I would like to point out that Wild Grass is my second fave film of the year, and that Vincere is pretty good.

Doesn't change my mind that White is an insincere and immoral attention whore (aka dmx).

Man, are there any good film critics out there?

It's seems like half of them are opinionated attention whores, and the rest of them are just sort of boring.

There's nothing particularly "wrong" with Ebert or Maltin's writing, but it's not like I find them at all interesting or insightful.


I like Ignatiy Vishnevetsky, who just got named co-host to the refresh of Ebert at the Movies, which seems like a pretty cool venture; Ebert's essentially staffing it by crowdsourcing from his blog, it seems.
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I'm nearly certain it's the latter, combined with a crush on studly action men.

Also, I saw Scott Pilgrim and it was pretty bad and way too long, even if it was meant as a study on the inability of mediaphiliacs to lead healthy meaningful lives.
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I wish mubi had better navigation/organization so I didn't hate trying to use it for anything.

I watched The Invention of Lying which was totally tepid and unfunny and way too soft-hearted to be the social/religious critique it was going for. Though Jennifer Garner had some excellent moments. Apparently Ricky Gervais can get just about anyone in the world to take a cameo?
I watched Ocean's Eleven again (the Soderbergh one) and the setup is more fun than the actual heist. I think Damon and Pitt carry these movies, though I appreciate how the Caan/Affleck duo ends up with all the menial labor.
I watched Smiley Face and thought it should probably have been a short or a recurring SNL character. Faris camps it up amusingly at times.
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Eye In The Sky: Johnnie To is a damn architect. The opening scene in this is tremendous (as usual).

EDIT: Not actually To's direction on this one; it's so similar that I just assumed it was, but I guess it's his disciple (and frequent writer) Yau Nai-Hoi's first feature, so keep an eye out for that guy.
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evnvnv, Vengeance is sitting in my netflix instant queue waiting for me, so I may get to it tomorrow myself.

I'm assuming you saw Flash Point? So vicious.
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YES. Well, Dogtooth yes, EtV's gonna have to be a Bluray rental I think.
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Generally nice, but I still find it worth waiting on the BR for something based on sensory overload.
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evnvnv, Vengeance is sitting in my netflix instant queue waiting for me, so I may get to it tomorrow myself.

I'm assuming you saw Flash Point? So vicious.


I did watch flashpoint! There were lots of impressive things about it, but I felt like the film couldn't decide if it wanted to be a brooding, 'election'-esque cop drama, or an off-the-wall action movie. I really liked donnie yen's character though (as well as his v. unique fighting style in this one), but he wasn't really given that much to do (aside from kick so much ass in the last half of the film). It did make me realize that basically every martial arts movie is about getting the protagonist to a place where violence is the only way out--obviously, that's why you pay to see the movie, but the way it was established that yen's character had a rage problem made it seem like there were going to be some more interesting consequences for his actions.


Yeah, definitely problematic and flawed, but I think it had its heart a little more on the brooding side. Beating up the guy right outside the courthouse, pulling out to watch a crowd gathering in shock as he beats a man to death, etc. If a superhero is typically someone who pursues justice in a manner beyond humanly physical possibilities, his character is also extending it past social limitations here. His world didn't provide consequences in the same way you don't try to give the Flash a speeding ticket.

Hm. Now that I've written that it seems pretty goofy and hyperbolic. I know I'm writing from a vague recollection about this, but I think it mostly interested me due to the detailed portrayal of a normal world Yen chooses to totally ignore. (this is a man who drinks like 50 beers! did you catch that?)
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FUCK YOU WINDOWS



FUCK YOU JEEPS
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Also gleaned from that article: remaking Total Recall? FUUUUUUWHY?
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parker wrote:
I hope they make a dtv sequel to Winter's Bone about Teardrop on a rampage to avenge his brother


Yeah, Hawkes was fantastic, and it's a really interesting character. I'm really happy they didn't take him over the top.
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Well, it pretty much had to happen, right? Can't be asking the Tea Party to actually read the book or anything.

Coming soon: American Constitution: The Freedoming.
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(looks like he's leaving Iran for good).


Thank god! What happened to Panahi is tragic, and honestly I'm a little surprised they didn't nab Kiarostami at the same time.
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