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Ghost Dinosaur



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 6:31 am        Reply with quote

Didn't Adam Sandler exploit a lot of inexplicable bursts of rage = comedy things, like, 20 years ago? I never thought it was funny then.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:28 am        Reply with quote

Seeing Tree of Life on Friday when it finally opens here. A bit nervous, since Rosenbaum apparently didn't like it and Ebert loved it. An Ebert 4-star is probably the biggest critical buzz kill I can think of, at this point.

I want it to be good so bad, please let this be an exception.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:15 am        Reply with quote

This Machine Kills Fascis wrote:
all the thematic underpinnings


I agree with most of what you said, but I don't know, I think the older I get the more I think the whole Professor X as thinly-veiled MLK Jr. to Magneto's thinly-veiled Malcolm X is pretty silly and the whole mutant existence as Civil Rights metaphor is pretty dumb and reductionist and possibly even a little offensive in the way it ignores culture and history for an easily digestible and pretty much meaningless mantra. It feels like exactly the kind of well-meaning white liberalism that Malcolm X was railing against.

Only scene I liked, despite its coat of sentiment, was the flashback with Eric and his mom at Hanukkah. It's the only time his identity as a Jewish person feels halfway real -- other than that the movie mostly treats the Holocaust like a really sucky POW camp.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:59 am        Reply with quote

This Machine Kills Fascis wrote:
Edit: Talking of favorite scenes, coincidentally, the only scene I liked was sort of the opposite of yours! It was the one from the first X-Men movie--the one where Magneto's being pulled from his mother and his powers first manifest. It was one of the few times where I, as a viewer, really wanted the protagonist to be empowered. Lil Magneto was so helpless in the face of something so obviously evil; I actually really did want him to have that power. It may be the only time that mutant powers have ever really meant anything on screen. I honestly consider it to be a beautiful scene (even if it's not particularly well shot, etc. etc. excuses excuses).


I like that scene, too, and was pretty disappointed that this one rehashed it so closely, yet not nearly as well. I was actually talking about First Class specifically, rather than the series as a whole. I think both Singer X-Men movies are pretty decent as far as Hollywood Blockbusters go.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:28 am        Reply with quote

This Machine Kills Fascis wrote:
Oh, I was too. I assumed they just reused the scene exactly.


It's real similar, but even if it had been shot for shot (which it isn't, as far as I can tell), they'd at least have to switch actors for pretty obvious reasons. Oh, sweet, thanks Youtube! Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dI7SEIKaKwE
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 5:54 am        Reply with quote

Man I don't know if it was intentional or just a reference to the fact that I hate it, but your likening of Enter the Void and Tree of Life was pretty prescient, coso. Both movies have a pretty relentless dedication to an aesthetic that feels sorta unique while also quickly resorting to spinning its wheels, both draw a lot of inspiration from 2001 and would like to be philosophical parables on the Meaning of Life, both indulge in some seriously fetishized oedipal impulses, both fade to black at moments that feel like it could be the end of the movie -- only to fade back in and keep going, and both were kinda not that good.

Like the beginning of Tree of Life, though, when it's more or less the prettiest episode on The Discovery Channel ever. For the first twenty minutes, when there's no scenes or really almost any conventional narrative to speak of, but it just keeps being a dizzying array of handheld, jump-cuts and beautiful, hypnotic imagery to the point that I'm sitting in my chair, slack-jawed, barely even hearing whatever narration is going on, I kept thinking "there's no way he can keep this up for 2 hours" and "I can't believe he got funding for this." It's unfortunate that the rest of the movie responds to both of those thoughts in nearly the most mundane way possible.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:40 pm        Reply with quote

Ronk I hope this is what you were referring to.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:31 pm        Reply with quote

God help me, I think I might like Man on Fire better than any movie in either Scott Bro oeuvre.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2011 4:51 am        Reply with quote

I actually don't really think the movies look shitty per se, though cartoony is I guess an apt description of it. To me they look kinda like '80s Italo horror meets Terry Gilliam or something. Lots of super wide angle shots and low angles and maybe even some crash zooms and basically a feeling of anti-verisimilitude. I guess that makes it look kind of dated, but I wouldn't say that's inherently bad or like Jackson had no idea what he was doing. It seems a pretty obviously thought out strategy to give it a weird otherworldly vibe. It's been too long since I've seen them to comment on whether or not this strategy works (I remember not liking the movies, but not for visual reasons), but, disregarding personal preference, it doesn't seem like making the movies look this way should be considered an objectively bad quality, the way "total lack of composition" would.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:44 pm        Reply with quote

I don't remember the actual movie sounding that Harry Potter-ish.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:37 am        Reply with quote

If Super 8 were a Spielberg movie it would be the worst Spielberg movie.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 6:29 pm        Reply with quote

coso that is a pretty cool article that sums up some of the reasons I like Bay (as well as unintentionally bringing up a bunch of the gross ideological problems I have with him)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:09 pm        Reply with quote

rabite gets whacked! wrote:
I found QoS a laughably terrible misuse of my favorite iteration of Bond. All the menace that is present in the closing of Casino Royale is, by the end of QoS, reduced to cuddling some pyrophobic chick in a hotel that can be blown up by backing an SUV into the wall of the parking garage.


Yes. I found QoS pretty awful for this plus Parker's reasons (Forster's quick-cutting is more C-level Greengrass than anything like what Bay does). It's like, they made the Bond movie that basically turned Bond into the character he was in the early Connery movies -- just an icy bastard doing whatever. But then they were like, so where do we go from that? The answer would've been just to do a bunch of Bond movies in that vein, but apparently they didn't want to do that so instead they just decided to undo everything about the first one. Instead of ice-blooded, he's more like a slightly chilled glass of mopey angst and they resolve all his issues by replacing the girl he couldn't save with one he can. So, now what? It's no wonder the movie stopped the franchise dead in its tracks.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:35 pm        Reply with quote

Thanks for the straw man argument, Allen Smithee.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:04 pm        Reply with quote

Other best parts of TF3:

*Star Trek episode as oblique foreshadowing
*Flashback JFK looking like a dude in a halloween mask

I can't wait to buy this on blu-ray and skip to the last hour over and over and over until my eyes melt. Guess that is the benefit of backloading the Crazy Robot Violence rather than the better balance between CRV and Dumb Story in 2. Not benefit is that if you watch the whole thing you might kill yourself before you get to the good stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 1:15 am        Reply with quote

Can't tell how far I am into Faster (about halfway I'd guess? PS2 DVD player doesn't have a way to check), but so far it is pretty incredible. About as lean as one could ever expect a Hollywood action movie to be. And, mercifully, all the extraneous shit so far happens to characters who aren't The Rock, so you know every time he's in a scene it's gonna be The Good Shit. This seems like a Parker movie. Did Parker like this movie?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:48 pm        Reply with quote

Katie Holmes out of the cage.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:31 am        Reply with quote

Nah I bet it was cause robots destroying each other is a lot cooler to watch.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:48 am        Reply with quote

it is kind of hilarious that they were like we want it to be a prequel not a remake cause we don't want to defile the original remake.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:42 pm        Reply with quote

touch of evil is pretty much the best.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:08 pm        Reply with quote

i wish that interview were real
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:21 pm        Reply with quote

swordsman 2 as dream fantasy kung fu wtf epic over ashes of time. that movie rules.

new wkw movie kinda looks like it sucks, sadly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:04 pm        Reply with quote

i don't know it looks like every post-matrix, post-tony jaa martial arts cliche shoved into one scene to me. nonchalant hard kicks, super slow mo cgi close-ups. it feels like shit that would've had people going BADASS in 2003. yuen woo-ping is a pretty awesome choreographer who i respect probably above all other fight choreographers ever, but he works so damn much that at least a third of his stuff ends up feeling phoned in. and this trailer is one of them, to me.

like the last thing i saw from him that seemed pretty cool and unique was unleashed. movie was all kinds of dumb, but the choreography really felt like what you would think a dude who is basically a human version of a dogfight dog would fight like. all crazy energy and no technique, just ferocity and relentlessness.

this just looks like every other shit ever, to me. like would it even be a blip if it weren't tony leung and wkw. i'll still see it, though. and i still want to see true legend.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:33 am        Reply with quote

a tv show about people using their minds to make each other's heads explode sounds like an awesome tv show.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 6:36 am        Reply with quote

i hope it's like the highlander show where each episode the hero faces a new villain with a backstory and gimmick and in the end the hero must make his or her head explode.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:06 am        Reply with quote

my favorite part of the new harry potter was rupert grint's swoop hair in the epilogue.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:00 am        Reply with quote

Toptube wrote:
one of the few movie series ever to reach a number past 5


but are any of those series good?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:47 pm        Reply with quote

rudie watch contempt. if you hate all the characters that's the point.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:45 pm        Reply with quote

Dracko wrote:
Also, the same director did Eyes of Laura Mars.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:43 pm        Reply with quote

considering it's by the director of zombieland and stars jesse eisenberg, 30 minutes or less wasn't nearly as bad as i was expecting. mostly thanks to aziz ansari.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 12:43 am        Reply with quote

i had no idea it was based on anything that actually happened.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:54 pm        Reply with quote

don't be afraid of the dark was almost as bad as pan's labyrinth. guillermo del toro is the worst.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:34 am        Reply with quote

hey cool dracko said what i was gonna, pretty much. 'cept i haven't seen either of those other movies.

but i'd recommend alex de la iglesia's the last circus and dying of laughter as two much more interesting depictions of the horrific dissolution of humanity that became of franco's spain.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:56 pm        Reply with quote

where's the super sharks?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:46 pm        Reply with quote

if you count herzog's narration then cave of forgotten dreams is almost 100% unbearable talking heads.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:22 pm        Reply with quote

yeah you guys are right, i was just looking for a way to slide in my comment.

Ghost Dinosaur wrote:
if you count herzog's narration then cave of forgotten dreams is almost 100% unbearable


FMP
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:36 pm        Reply with quote

aw too bad. my professor told me to go see cold weather when it was at the living room, but i missed it. he is notoriously generous, but i was hoping he was right about this one.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:37 pm        Reply with quote

bowie's full-frontal scenes are especially "in your face" in huge 35mm.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:02 am        Reply with quote

how will video games be art if they don't try to be more like (bad) movies??
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:23 am        Reply with quote

showgirls not good enough, dracko?
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