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| It's been out on 360 for awhile, even in the US. I keep forgetting about it though for some reason. |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:47 pm |
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Ya the demo is sitting right there on my HD. So they put it on PS3 for Hong Kongians and not PS US users? I can't imagine translation is holding it back.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:56 am |
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| MattCD42 wrote: |
| Ya the demo is sitting right there on my HD. So they put it on PS3 for Hong Kongians and not PS US users? I can't imagine translation is holding it back. |
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| It's been out on 360 for awhile, even in the US. I keep forgetting about it though for some reason. |
It has? Geez, what's taking so long? I downloaded it last night and the game is completely in English. Granted it uses "with/without" instead of "on/off" but yeah, apart from that it's done!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:21 pm |
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Ya sorry I meant, the game is translated on and the X-box.
Seems like a cool game, just... idk
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:28 am |
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Ginga Force yeahhhhhhhhh
As a huge fan of Eschatos I am very much looking forward to that. |
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kiken
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:44 am |
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Ginga Force comes out in less than two weeks... Caladrius (which seemingly came out of nowhere) by MOSS comes out at the end of April, and then DDP SDOJ has been confirmed for a late May release.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:17 am |
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| Ginger Force art lookin' straight Megatokyo |
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Rud31
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 8:45 am |
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New trailer for Caladrius
Outside of it being a shooter in 2013, I have zero interest in this. The bullet patterns look like they are probably bullshit? Also anime characters saying the anime lines you've heard dozens of times before. Sorry Raiden guys. I bought your iOS game thingy because it was amazing (4 Raiden games for 6.99!)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:53 am |
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So I see nobody mentioned that Triangle Service is releasing a new Shooting Love 10th Anniversary compilation on 360 featuring two games: (1) XIIZeal, which you might know better from the original arcade/PS2 release as XII Stag, and (2) ΔZEAL, a remake of G-Stream G2020 (a pre-Triangle game by the people who went on to form the company). It also releases the same day as Saidaioujou in Japan. May 30.
All kinds of hyped here. Need to fire up Trizeal when I go home, I pre-ordered Caladrius this morning, and Ginga Force currently in my 360 as I write this. |
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| In an effort to justify the purchase of my hello kitty dreamcast, I bought Border Down. This brings my NTSC-J collection for the platform to 8. Now, I haven't had a sealed Dreamcast game in my possession since 2005 and fuck man, this irrational collector voice in my brain is telling me not to open it. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:20 am |
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So I see nobody mentioned that Triangle Service is releasing a new Shooting Love 10th Anniversary compilation on 360 featuring two games: (1) XIIZeal, which you might know better from the original arcade/PS2 release as XII Stag, and (2) ΔZEAL, a remake of G-Stream G2020 (a pre-Triangle game by the people who went on to form the company). It also releases the same day as Saidaioujou in Japan. May 30.
All kinds of hyped here. Need to fire up Trizeal when I go home, I pre-ordered Caladrius this morning, and Ginga Force currently in my 360 as I write this. |
I have to ask firenze are you just crazy and will buy any shooter that comes out or is there actually something appealing about Caladrius and a fucking Triangle Service collection? Especially when they are 100 dollars a piece.
Also the rumor going around that Saidaioujou is going to get a simultaneous western release.
Thank you for explaining what this collection consisted of though. I really want to play more of Shmup Test. And looking into it further I was getting Triangle Service and Milestone's games confused. I've barely played TS.
For shooters you really need to do something big and exciting or otherwise I will just look at the 30 years of history that I can indulge in instead for less than 100 dollars.
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| dementia that's not my hello kitty dreamcast is it? |
I don't think so? Mine shipped from Tokyo.
Also, maybe i would buy stuff from you if you'd answer my PMs every once in a while
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kiken
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| firenze wrote: |
So I see nobody mentioned that Triangle Service is releasing a new Shooting Love 10th Anniversary compilation on 360 featuring two games: (1) XIIZeal, which you might know better from the original arcade/PS2 release as XII Stag, and (2) ΔZEAL, a remake of G-Stream G2020 (a pre-Triangle game by the people who went on to form the company). It also releases the same day as Saidaioujou in Japan. May 30.
All kinds of hyped here. Need to fire up Trizeal when I go home, I pre-ordered Caladrius this morning, and Ginga Force currently in my 360 as I write this. |
I'm right there with you... got all of this pre-ordered already (although, still waiting for NCSX to list the LE of SDOJ).
Been playing Ginga Force quite a bit... managed to make the top 10 for overall Normal Mode score in the Score Attack Mode using Type C. Posted a couple of stage 8 replays on my Youtube channel as well.
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| I thought everyone hated Triangle Service enough a decade ago that they had to plead to everyone to buy their game what gives? Tri-zeal did not look too fun. |
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Rud31
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firenze
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:35 pm |
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| I have to ask firenze are you just crazy and will buy any shooter that comes out or is there actually something appealing about Caladrius and a fucking Triangle Service collection? |
Pot, kettle. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
But yes, I am a bit crazy in this genre and buy em all. We only get like 3~5 retail releases a year, so I can afford to keep up with pretty much all of them. I'm rarely actually disappointed and tend to get my money's worth more than I would with non-shooters.
Of all the retail J-360 STG releases, I've really only felt disappointed in Bullet Soul.
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| Also the rumor going around that Saidaioujou is going to get a simultaneous western release. |
1) It's looking like "western" might mean Europe on this one.
2) I'll believe a simultaneous release when I see it. We have a confirmed date for the Japan release and nothing but vague statements that Cave is looking into the possibility of a Western release, attributed to the notoriously unreliable Makoto Asada.
3) Japanese release is supposedly getting a Limited Edition. Knowing Cave, that might be exclusive DLC remixed modes (I would want those!) or might be an arranged soundtrack (which in the case of Saidaioujou is fantastic - OST is flat out amazing, some of the best game music I've heard in years)
4) Oh, and for me personally I want the JPN version anyway. My shooter setup (TATE monitor, etc) uses a J-360 and it would be a hassle to play on another machine in the event a western version is region locked.
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| Thank you for explaining what this collection consisted of though. I really want to play more of Shmup Test. And looking into it further I was getting Triangle Service and Milestone's games confused. I've barely played TS. |
Yeah Milestone is kinda shit. Radilgy's not bad, but they're released some pretty bad games (Chaos Field) and some that are just boring (Karous). At least their music is consistently good.
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| I thought everyone hated Triangle Service enough a decade ago that they had to plead to everyone to buy their game what gives? Tri-zeal did not look too fun. |
Nobody really hated them, they were just a tiny studio (2 man?) with little name recognition and trying to get the word out for a shoestring budget release. It was a PR move to get them some attention, and it fucking worked like gangbusters (you still remember it nearly a decade later). For what it's worth, did seem like a pretty genuine expression of a dev with a real passion for STG, read it here.
Trizeal is fun. Nice core hook/gimmick of having three weapons: wide shot, homing missiles, strong forward laser, each powered up separately and switchable on the fly. Simple but satisfying. |
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Rud31
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:43 pm |
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| firenze wrote: |
| Texican Rude wrote: |
| I have to ask firenze are you just crazy and will buy any shooter that comes out or is there actually something appealing about Caladrius and a fucking Triangle Service collection? |
Pot, kettle. I mean that in the nicest way possible.
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I'm 90% certain I am just buying the soundtrack. But yes.
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kiken
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:08 am |
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| firenze wrote: |
| Of all the retail J-360 STG releases, I've really only felt disappointed in Bullet Soul. |
Really? Did you enjoy Strike Witches: Hakugin No Tsubasa? Because I certainly preferred Bullet Soul to that. Also, Otomedius Gorgeous wasn't exactly amazing by any stretch of the imagination (Excellent was a far better game).
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| 3) Japanese release is supposedly getting a Limited Edition. Knowing Cave, that might be exclusive DLC remixed modes (I would want those!) or might be an arranged soundtrack (which in the case of Saidaioujou is fantastic - OST is flat out amazing, some of the best game music I've heard in years). |
Actually, there will be two limited editions... a 'standard' LE (which will most likely include an arrange soundtrack CD) and a 'super' limited edition (they haven't talked about this much but chances are that it'll be like the Akai Katana Shin super LE that came in a PCB box and included a POP3 stand-up with the control layout on it).
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Nobody really hated them, they were just a tiny studio (2 man?) with little name recognition and trying to get the word out for a shoestring budget release. It was a PR move to get them some attention, and it fucking worked like gangbusters (you still remember it nearly a decade later). For what it's worth, did seem like a pretty genuine expression of a dev with a real passion for STG, read it here.
Trizeal is fun. Nice core hook/gimmick of having three weapons: wide shot, homing missiles, strong forward laser, each powered up separately and switchable on the fly. Simple but satisfying. |
Triangle Service is technically just one guy, Toshiaki Fujino. He does bring in NAOTO to do music though.
And yeah, Trizeal is definitely TS's best game.. very simple and Raiden-like.. low scoring and solid stage design... it just looks hellishly amateurish due to the incredibly basic 3D models.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:19 am |
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| kiken wrote: |
| firenze wrote: |
| Of all the retail J-360 STG releases, I've really only felt disappointed in Bullet Soul. |
Really? Did you enjoy Strike Witches: Hakugin No Tsubasa? Because I certainly preferred Bullet Soul to that. Also, Otomedius Gorgeous wasn't exactly amazing by any stretch of the imagination (Excellent was a far better game). |
Hahaha, OK fair enough that Strike Witches is not a good game, and the fact that I have even spent time playing says something about unhealthy addiction (I did get it somewhat cheap used if that helps any... probably not). But I will stand by it at least not being disappointing, because I fully expected it to be a shit game going into it and played it anyway.
Otomedius Gorgeous sort of was what I thought it would be too, and though I certainly didn't find it amazing, I was actually a little pleasantly surprised that it wasn't the pure fan-service trash it could have turned into. I had some fun mixing things up a bit with a hori and enjoyed the colorful style. Never really loved the old Parodius games either, so I wasn't expecting the world from it.
Bullet Soul, on the other hand, I had actually hoped would be good. Along the lines of a Shikigami no Shiro or something, or a poor man's EspRaDe. It did not live up to my hopes. Maybe I'll give it another chance and see if it just didn't click with me.
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| Actually, there will be two limited editions... a 'standard' LE (which will most likely include an arrange soundtrack CD) and a 'super' limited edition (they haven't talked about this much but chances are that it'll be like the Akai Katana Shin super LE that came in a PCB box and included a POP3 stand-up with the control layout on it). |
I fully expect Saidaioujou to wind up in my "top 10 all time games" tier (DOJ and Daifukkatsu are both way up there for me), so I'd maybe bite on a crazy Super LE for that. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:17 pm |
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| Liberation Maiden was released on iOS. |
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| How difficult is a Salamander 2 1CC? I'm thinking about buying the Salamander Deluxe Pack and want to give it a go. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:59 am |
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| Bullet Soul is pretty cool. |
Let's be friends.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:59 am |
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| dementia wrote: |
| How difficult is a Salamander 2 1CC? I'm thinking about buying the Salamander Deluxe Pack and want to give it a go. |
Personally I think it's a pretty forgiving game compared to the original Salamander. The later stages and the final boss get quite dicey, though.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:37 am |
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That price is less than buying all those games when they came out. It would be some hard math to figure out if you broke even buying all of them now.
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| Bullet Soul is pretty cool. |
Let's be friends. |
Alright cool. I just played through it again (credit feeding cause I'm a jerk.) It is a fun ride. I think a lot of might have to do with having bought it for about 2500 yen as opposed to the 8000 yen it retailed for? So I didn't feel invested in my hundred dollar purchase.
Sexy Cop Girl is definitely OP though.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:49 am |
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GUYS. GUYS.
Sturmwind is finally coming out April 24th. Supposedly. Supposedly.
I...think I have to buy a copy just because I've been talking about it for 3 years. Hell did I already buy a copy? I don't know.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:49 pm |
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| That is 100% unpossible. |
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firenze
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:29 pm |
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| Texican Rude wrote: |
| That price is less than buying all those games when they came out. It would be some hard math to figure out if you broke even buying all of them now. |
You most certainly couldn't come close to breaking even buying individually if you account for the soundtracks and superplay DVDs (even at a major discount). And some stuff would be impossible to get now, including the first print DLC that's included on a handy disc in the collection.
Remember too that the NCSX $399 price is a substantial mark up that also accounts for the added costs of sourcing/importing this retailer-exclusive (Amazon.jp only I think?) release in Japan. It's 24,800 yen (about $260) on Amazon right now, a discount of the list price 29,176 (~$305). |
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| Stolen code? Now that sounds interesting... |
It was big news at the time when it happened. Basically, 5pb were focusing internally on the Ketsui port so they out-sourced the DDP DOJ BL port to a small coding house called Aqua Systems. As it turned out, Aqua Systems did 2 things, small coding projects for larger companies and they served as a storage facility for game source code of small companies. Turns out that one of the games they had in their source code vault was Arika's PS2 port of DDP DOJ. So they just took that and then retooled it for the 360... you know, without Arika's permission. When the game was released, Mihara (Arika's lead programmer) posted on his blog that all of the inconsistencies with this port exactly matched what he had run into while coding the game for the PS2 (he had apparently snagged the game day 1)... so without a doubt, this was his code. The game was immediately recalled and Mihara, being the perfectionist he is, took it upon himself to create the patch for the 360 version in order to fix 5pb/Aqua Systems' mistake. He then assisted 5pb with making sure that the Ketsui port was up to snuff. So in an odd, round about way, we got awesome ports because of this mess.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:51 pm |
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Sexy Cop Girl is definitely OP though. |
You don't know OP till you see the DLC character.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:54 pm |
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| kiken wrote: |
| Schwere Viper wrote: |
| Stolen code? Now that sounds interesting... |
So in an odd, round about way, we got awesome ports because of this mess. |
Also worth noting that the 360 release actually had three modes: the original Daioujou (aka White Label), the Black Label remix, and a 360-exclusive "X" mode. I don't think anyone other than the involved companies really understands the extent of how the "stolen" code affected anything other than White Label. Regardless, even from day 1, Black Label was a really good port and was the biggest deal to a lot of big Cave fans seeing as how the excellent PS2 white label port by Arika was already around.
I really think the release gets a lot of unfair criticism too, based on (1) people hearing about a stolen code scandal and assuming that must be Very Bad News and (2) some unfortunate presentation issues with clunky menus and initial load time (at startup, not in-game or between levels). Were the menus badly designed, sure. Biggest flaw was inconsistent use of buttons - sometimes they used A to confirm, sometimes Start. But do I buy games to enjoy the menus or to play the actual game?
From all the whining that happened on more stuck up forums like shmups.com, I'd almost believe that people are obsessed with navigating menus and import games for the pleasure of doing so. Either that or they pick at any flaw they can overemphasize just for the sake of complaining about a release they were already dead set about finding something to criticize (wrong platform, not ported by Cave, it wasn't Ketsui, whatever). But that couldn't possibly be it, could it?
Agreed that the drama ended up being a blessing in disguise for players though, particularly for Mihara's involvement resulting in a fantastic Ketsui port! |
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