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Broco



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:34 am        Reply with quote

Overall this thread made me a bit depressed about the quality of the whole medium. Is that it? These are the best games over all three decades? Where's the actually great stuff, not just the "ambitious effort, hasn't aged that well" or "awesome when I was a kid" (1980-2000) or "polished AAA title" or "charming/artsy indie adventure" (2001-present).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:36 am        Reply with quote

2010 is

Peace Walker
Starcraft 2
Minecraft (MUST PLAY THIS GAME MORE)

apologies to: Desktop Dungeons, Super Street Fighter IV, Kane and Lynch 2

this makes my FINAL GAMES OF THE YEAR LIST look something like this:

Missile Command, Kaboom!, Oregon Trail, Bomberman, Tetris, Super Mario Brothers, Castlevania, R-Type, Mario 3, Strider, Smash TV, Sonic, Street Fighter II Hyper Fighting, Doom, Super Street Fighter II Turbo, Chrono Trigger, Diablo, Final Fantasy Tactics, Half Life, Soul Calibur, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2, Ico, Metroid Prime, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, Half Life 2, Resident Evil 4, Mother 3, World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, Braid, Left 4 Dead 2, and Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker

GO ME I VOTED FOR EVERY YEAR
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:43 am        Reply with quote

Dracko wrote:
And let us not forget the new DooM II episode, No Rest for the Living.


Oh, shit. I guess I reminded you of that one back in the 2010 thread, so thanks for returning the favor.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:46 am        Reply with quote

super meat boy is definitely the game i had the most fun with but there is a lot of stuff i would probably like that i haven't played.

dog days certainly has the best campaign of any cover shooter i've ever played. if i liked the genre it would almost certainly be my choice.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:53 am        Reply with quote

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the new DooM II episode, No Rest for the Living


I liked what I've played of it. :)
I'll get back to it after I finish class_ep.wad which I'm loving!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:21 am        Reply with quote

Can I split my vote 3 ways or is that simply cheating? Either way I go with Super Meat Boy, Pac-Man CE DX and Red Dead Redemption.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:27 am        Reply with quote

Gonna say 2010 was a shit year. Not that I can't find good games in 2010, just nothing I think I'll be talking about in 20.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:39 am        Reply with quote

Talbain wrote:
Gonna say 2010 was a shit year. Not that I can't find good games in 2010, just nothing I think I'll be talking about in 20.


Talbain play Dog Days and Nier.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:17 am        Reply with quote

Amnesia, too.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:20 am        Reply with quote

2010: Hero Core
runner-up: Infinity Blade
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:49 pm        Reply with quote

Broco wrote:
Overall this thread made me a bit depressed about the quality of the whole medium. Is that it? These are the best games over all three decades? Where's the actually great stuff, not just the "ambitious effort, hasn't aged that well" or "awesome when I was a kid" (1980-2000) or "polished AAA title" or "charming/artsy indie adventure" (2001-present).


For what it's worth, the period from 1995-2007 or so stands out as the de facto golden age in my voting: You Don't Know Jack, Twinklestar Sprites, Final Fantasy Tactics, Soul Calibur, Worms Armageddon, Deus Ex, Ico, Metroid Prime, F-Zero GX, Half-Life 2, Civilization IV, Mother 3, and Portal are all uniquely perfect vidoegames, and while it's somewhat disappointing that this lineage seems to've ended so abruptly, I'd proudly revisit any of them in this or the next decade.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:24 pm        Reply with quote

Broco wrote:
Overall this thread made me a bit depressed about the quality of the whole medium. Is that it? These are the best games over all three decades? Where's the actually great stuff, not just the "ambitious effort, hasn't aged that well" or "awesome when I was a kid" (1980-2000) or "polished AAA title" or "charming/artsy indie adventure" (2001-present).


what the fuck?

especially this bit

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"ambitious effort, hasn't aged that well" or "awesome when I was a kid" (1980-2000)


i don't think there was a single one of my favorite games listed and i still find this reprehensible. what in the world (yes, the world) is more actually great than hard corps? or kof '98? or thief? doom 2? or torment? or pool of radiance? not much, tbh.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:00 pm        Reply with quote

negativedge wrote:
this makes my FINAL GAMES OF THE YEAR LIST look something like this:


1980: Defender
1981: Galaga
1982: Pengo
1983: Alley Cat
1984: Spy vs. Spy
1985: Xanadu
1986: Legend of Zelda
1987: The Goonies II
1988: Super Mario Bros. 3

1989: Sweet Home
1990: Mega Man 3
1991: Nightshade
1992: Rolan's Curse II
1993: The 7th Guest
1994: Equinox
1995: Ys V
1996: Bad Mojo
1997: Kirby's Dream Land 3

1998: LSD Dream Emulator
1999: Legend of Mana
2000: Majora's Mask
2001: Empire of Dreams
2002: Unlimited Saga
2003: Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
2004: Resist or Serve
2005: Yume Nikki
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:33 pm        Reply with quote

T. wrote:
what in the world (yes, the world) is more actually great than hard corps?

Contra 3 and I will fight anyone who says otherwise.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:37 pm        Reply with quote

I have been saving up all my votes for this point right now. 30 votes for Nier in 2010 please.

What, you didn't know you got rollover votes? Well, live and learn.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:41 pm        Reply with quote

Texican Rude wrote:
Talbain wrote:
Gonna say 2010 was a shit year. Not that I can't find good games in 2010, just nothing I think I'll be talking about in 20.


Talbain play Dog Days and Nier.

I have. Dog Days is raw, Nier is meandering. Despite liking both, I can't say that they really changed my perspective on games, or that I'll remember them. Dog Days is a gross manipulation of the FPS genre, that kinda shows the nastiness of actual fighting, but I feel as if I've played FPSes which did this in the past, just minus the choices in graphical fidelity (and maybe that's necessary, I don't know--I don't really think it is though). Product of time or my age, I'm not sure. I haven't played Amnesia yet, it's sitting on my computer. Still, I doubt it will dethrone Silent Hill 2. That all said... Warband was released in 2010... hm. Yeah, maybe Warband could fit the bill.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:08 pm        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
T. wrote:
what in the world (yes, the world) is more actually great than hard corps?

Contra 3 and I will fight anyone who says otherwise.


Agreed man. Contra 3 dominates. This argument has existed between myself and my best friend since we were children, the apex of game design philosophy, it has been utterly reflective of our personalities and tastes as well. It's kind of weird actually.

2009-
1. Demon's Souls
2.Halo 3: ODST
3.Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising
4. Modern Warfare 2

2010-
1. Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days
2. Metro 2033
3. Space Funeral
4. Fist of the North Star: Ken's Rage
5. Pacman CE:DX
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:23 pm        Reply with quote

T. wrote:
Broco wrote:
Overall this thread made me a bit depressed about the quality of the whole medium. Is that it? These are the best games over all three decades? Where's the actually great stuff, not just the "ambitious effort, hasn't aged that well" or "awesome when I was a kid" (1980-2000) or "polished AAA title" or "charming/artsy indie adventure" (2001-present).


what the fuck?


It's broad-brush hyperbole that not every game fits into and is more a vague feeling I had while reading this thread. That said, you guys' counterexamples aren't really convincing me. I could come up with a pithy criticism of each of them, but that would come across as more negative than I really am (since I do actually like those games too) as well as somewhat beside the point. Suffice to say they're decidedly imperfect, immature, of-their-time games, their production, conceptual and design limitations showing their rough edges for all to see, easier to appreciate as historical artifacts than as timeless gems. They are formative works or ephemera.

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what in the world (yes, the world) is more actually great


Seriously? Doesn't this answer itself? Do I need to go into a pretentious list of great works of art in all other mediums? Even the recently released comic book in my sig (Megan Kelso's Artichoke Tales) qualifies.


A personal anecdote that comes to mind in talking about this... when I was a kid and reading almost exclusively pulp SF/F novels, I really loved the stuff but I got the feeling now and then that it was missing something. Like, my favorite novel was Ender's Game and this had great twists and a thoughtful universe and compelling characters as far as I was concerned, but something was off, it didn't seem to quite deserve the title of best novel ever. In my 10-year-old mind I sometimes vaguely thought that somewhere out there, there ought to be a novel that was purer, deeper, perfect, timeless, not just another story about some people in a setting doing something -- keeping the form of a novel yes, but transcending it. But I had no idea what this could possibly look like.

I remembered this old idea the other day and realized that my favorite author today, Kafka, already had striven for and mostly fulfilled 100 years ago this childhood ideal that I had dimly conceived. Is there anything remotely comparable in videogames? Or are we still doing "awesome" stuff like Ender's Game?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:01 pm        Reply with quote

Guys I think [the] Street Fighter IV [series] deserves a little better than "well at least people are playing fighting games again.................."
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It's hard to make those analogies though because of games' mechanical element (some would say essence). Even if you see games as holistic aesthetic objects for which the mechanics are only a part, as I do (unlike essentially rule-based experiences for which all the aesthetic stuff is so much cruft, pleasant or otherwise), the difference that interactivity makes can't really be overstated. I think Dog Days is a seriously great piece of art about the depravity of violence - yeah, as good as Kafka or whoever (Homer) - and at least half of that effect comes from how the game is informed by, and rejects a large chunk of, the history of shooter mechanics. That can't be fully experienced via youtube, any more than a sculpture or building can be fully experienced via a photograph.

This isn't anything new for sb but, I dunno - I understand your use of the word "perfect" but think you might be taking it a little too literally. There may be novels that not one word could be changed without making it worse, but aren't there games with similarly perfect rules?
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I think I may need to replay Dog Days 2.
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analogos wrote:
Guys I think [the] Street Fighter IV [series] deserves a little better than "well at least people are playing fighting games again.................."


Street Fighter 4 is really bad and I'm kind of confused how it even made people interested in the genre again.

The amount of work it forces you to put in for such little return (OH MAN NOW I CAN LINK A LOW PUNCH INTO A MEDIUM PUNCH) doesn't seem like it would appeal to casual players at all, Capcom's boring adherence to joke character inclusion, and its lack of innovation (probably what actually got people in: same old, same old).

I honestly can't see a single redeeming quality in it.

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I think I may need to replay Dog Days 2.


Man nobody even needs to play that game in the first place.
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SF4 is smooth and snappy (unlike Super Turbo!) and stylish, and nowhere near as horribly unbalanced as a million other fightmans. With a good opponent it's incredibly entertaining most of the time, and while I'd have preferred a true successor to Third Strike, I have no qualms with naming it among the best games of 2008. The new characters are also much more interesting and fresh than a lot of people give them credit for being, aside from the failed experiment of Hakan.
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for all SF4 may or may not be, I think we're getting to the point where it's hard to shake off the fact that it's not as good as the fifteen year old game it is an unabashed clone of (Super Turbo).
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Sniper Honeyviper wrote:
SF4 is snappy and stylish and nowhere near as horribly unbalanced as a million other fightmans. With a good opponent it's incredibly entertaining most of the time, and while I'd have preferred a true successor to Third Strike, I have no qualms with naming it among the best games of 2008. The new characters are also a lot more interesting and fresh than a lot of people give them credit for being, aside from the failed experiment of Hakan.


I think Hakan is pretty telling of Capcom's design philosophy. He's easily the most interesting new character they've come out with (aside from maybe Fuerte), and he's just awful. They know he's awful, but they'll never admit he's awful, and they'll never fix him. Why did they even bother putting him in if they're not going to make him work as a character?

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nowhere near as horribly unbalanced as a million other fightmans.


Its balance isn't really anything noteworthy. Looking at a tier-list right now (just for character names, not taking the list itself as gospel), I see 9 characters that are completely useless and are never used in tournaments. 10 if you count Makoto, which I would, since there were like three people using her for a while but I'm pretty sure they all moved on to characters who had some actual thought put into their design. 11 if you count Guy, who I've never actually seen used to any effect in tournaments, but I dunno I don't really watch SSF4 tournaments anymore.

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SF4 is smooth and snappy (unlike Super Turbo!) and stylish


I dunno if I'd call it smooth and snappy, either. Super Turbo matches definitely move and flow a lot quicker than any given SSF4 match. A high level SSF4 match is still mostly really long drawn out slogs, the ultras are just dull cutscenes that aren't enjoyable to watch after the first time. It has a unique style, yeah, but honestly the game is kind of hideous.
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Regardless, I've had some amazing times with SF4 (starting with the arcade cab in 2008) that no one can take back from me. It's hardly the pinnacle of the genre but it's just really playable and likable, at least by little casual old me.

I really can't play SF2 seriously, the hitboxes just feel so wonky like nothing else and movement seems really stiff, moreso in the CPS2 versions. Attacks don't flow together in a satisfying manner even when I combo correctly. Even the notoriously clunky Art of Fighting 1 is more comfortable in my hands.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:52 pm        Reply with quote

a vote for reach, the best online console game so far. Gotta fall in with the sentiment that the latest few years have been a little disappointing.

Cuba, I didn't really enjoy the first k&l but that makes me want to play the new one - i find games discussing other games through their mechanics intriguing. I loved the first no more heroes discourse ib the state of modern gaming, is dog days as intentional in what it does?
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Interstellar Dinghy wrote:
The amount of work it forces you to put in for such little return (OH MAN NOW I CAN LINK A LOW PUNCH INTO A MEDIUM PUNCH) doesn't seem like it would appeal to casual players at al


you wouldn't think so, on the surface, but I think the basic idea is just that the pursuit of mastery is fun for its own sake, even if it's mastery over an artifice. at first blush, why would most of these people want to go through the trouble? but I think they see top players pull things off in a tournament and just the fact that it's possible creates this self-competitive environment (or at least a 'man is my friend gonna blow his top when I actually land this in a match' environment) and then players get indoctrinated in this fightman ego culture and take all this for granted and shit, I dunno

also fuerte isn't particularly interesting except maybe when observed outside the context of his practical application. Rock Paper Scissors: The Character is dumb

P.S. yeah I agree ultra animations are pretty awful

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Its balance isn't really anything noteworthy. Looking at a tier-list right now (just for character names, not taking the list itself as gospel), I see 9 characters that are completely useless and are never used in tournaments. 10 if you count Makoto, which I would, since there were like three people using her for a while but I'm pretty sure they all moved on to characters who had some actual thought put into their design. 11 if you count Guy, who I've never actually seen used to any effect in tournaments, but I dunno I don't really watch SSF4 tournaments anymore.


combofiend and a couple japanese players tear shit up with guy pretty good. I think the problem here, though, is as much a balance issue as it is that SF4's staggered development cycle has been pretty busted since day one and three years since the game's original release we're probably still several months away from the whole world being on the same playing field at any one given time. I think things will have a chance to mature in a more healthy way when everyone finally has access to arcade edition.

more than "balance" goes into why a character might not have been explored enough yet at the tournament level, at any rate

negativedge wrote:
for all SF4 may or may not be, I think we're getting to the point where it's hard to shake off the fact that it's not as good as the fifteen year old game it is an unabashed clone of (Super Turbo).


yeah well, what is, really
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:00 am        Reply with quote

Broco, while I absolutely see your point about Ender's Game and Kafka, I think you may just have higher standards for the medium than I do -- and even that doesn't sound quite right, because (while I certainly don't have the same expectations of videogames as I do other narrative art forms), I think the difference is more of a lateral one. I'm almost tempted to offer the (previously intellectually-bankrupt seeming) "genre vs. format(?)" example up as a point against The Search For The Fuller Videogame.

I grant you that I'm perhaps too satisfied by harmony of that 1995-2007 list that I produced, though.
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Interstellar Dinghy wrote:
Talbain wrote:
I think I may need to replay Dog Days 2.


Man nobody even needs to play that game in the first place.

Crazy talk.
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T. wrote:
what in the world (yes, the world) is more actually great than...pool of radiance? not much, tbh.


A lot of things. Like every single other videogame >_>
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I actually came out of this reminded of how VIDEOGAMES ARE AWESOME.
I think it helps I tend to like, umm 'simpler' games?

There are a number of games I'd consider "perfect". At least on par with the number of books possibly even exceeding, and certainly exceeding film.

Tetris The Grandmaster 2 plus
Lunar Lander, Stargate Defender, Donkey Kong, Joust, Phozon, Missile Command
Doom, Super Contra, Lethal Crash Race, LSD, Change Air Blade, Ketsui, Psyvariar 2

to me those are all games that can't be bettered, and that isn't even a complete list. :3

By contrast my lit list would be
a Sōseki, a Camus, a Kafka, a Fitzgerald, 3 Nietzsche, and a play by Shakespeare.


Of course granting designations like "perfect" is only an amusing game, if we ask questions like is a "perfect" game equal to a "perfect" book, we unravel the absurdity of what we've done, there's no answer, it's a silly question.
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The literature list:

Kokoro, L'Étranger, Die Verwandlung, The Great Gatsby,
Die Geburt der Tragödie aus dem Geiste der Musik, Götzendämmerung oder Wie man mit dem Hammer philosophiert, Der Antichrist
Hamlet

three of which are philosophy texts by the same dude, and one is a goddamn play.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:40 am        Reply with quote

Broco wrote:

I remembered this old idea the other day and realized that my favorite author today, Kafka, already had striven for and mostly fulfilled 100 years ago this childhood ideal that I had dimly conceived. Is there anything remotely comparable in videogames? Or are we still doing "awesome" stuff like Ender's Game?


Remember that the novel had been refined for hundreds of years before Kafka came along. Video games are very young and most people still have no idea what is the best way to use the medium. But this is exactly why I am interested in video games--the undiscovered potential. The greatest painting, book, and music that will ever be made have likely already been made. This isn't true for video games though, despite the fact the industry seems to be moving in the wrong direction in recent years. Some day developers will start questioning if making "cinematic experiences" should be their ultimate goal, and we'll see a new focus on gameplay and interactivity. Whenever that happens, I imagine we'll get better video games than we have ever had. It's pretty much inevitable.
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DOG DAYS GOTY 2010 MAYBE 2011 MAYBE EVER
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The King wrote:

three of which are philosophy texts by the same dude, and one is a goddamn play.


I guess what I was trying to say in my edit is that arguably only the top row counts in which case my list is cut down to four, and of those four no language gets more then one.
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shrugtheironteacup wrote:
DOG DAYS GOTY 2010 MAYBE 2011 MAYBE EVER

"what will be the dog days of 2011?" is the only real question left to gaming now
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handsomenattou wrote:
The greatest painting, book, and music that will ever be made have likely already been made.


i sure hope not. good thing nothing suggests that this has happened!
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Diplo, I'm gonna let you finish but,
Kokoro is the greatest book of all time: Books are over.
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The Greatest X is the most boring myth humans have yet thought up
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Not any more!
now 'X is the most boring myth' is the most boring myth humans have thought up
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