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Take It Sleazy

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Loki Laufeyson fps fragmaster

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Mikey

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Take It Sleazy

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:56 am |
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| after watching another episode tron sure is fortunately/unfortunately the perfect tron legacy cartoon :/ |
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Take It Sleazy

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:15 am |
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| new mystery incs have been airing in the uk so they are around if you dig that show |
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Mikey

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:27 pm |
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| Take It Sleazy wrote: |
| after watching another episode tron sure is fortunately/unfortunately the perfect tron legacy cartoon :/ |
Could you expand on that? |
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Take It Sleazy

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:36 pm |
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| It is all around aesthetically beautiful and slick and the characters are just nothings and the fact that they are in a computer is mostly window dressing as opposed to mattering to the story |
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Take It Sleazy

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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:58 pm |
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still wish it looked like a shitty hanna barbera cartoon but i am still hyped
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notbov

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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:37 pm |
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Just a heads up y'all, I don't know if they're doing all over, but my local (E Street in DC) Landmark Theater is doing a double bill of Black Dynamite and an episode of the show this Wednesday. So, if you've got one nearby and a free night, I'd bug them to see what's going on. _________________
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HarveyQ

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:25 pm |
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hey guys you should check out Gravity Falls. it's sort of like Twin Peaks for kids!
it's also the funniest and prettiest thing i've seen on Disney Channel in a long, long time. _________________
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Jujyfruits

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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:19 pm |
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i guess everybody already talked about this but i've been watching a lot of Adventure Time from the first episode and i love every second of it. _________________
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Take It Sleazy

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Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:10 pm |
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Ninja Turtles looks weird. The foot soldiers are robots who are being controlled by Utroms who are known as The Kraang (ha) on this show. Also Rob Paulsen talks for Donatello which just throws me off balance completely. Also it looks weird.
The Intro
A clip from the show
Another Clip from the show |
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Take It Sleazy

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 3:59 am |
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| God Black Dynamite is absolute best. |
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Loki Laufeyson fps fragmaster

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Ronnoc

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:20 pm |
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What!?
As someone who watched Arthur for over 10 years and thinks Metamorphosis is the best book ever written, I am going to have to see that |
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Loki Laufeyson fps fragmaster

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Tulpa

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:08 pm |
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| HarveyQ wrote: |
hey guys you should check out Gravity Falls. it's sort of like Twin Peaks for kids!
it's also the funniest and prettiest thing i've seen on Disney Channel in a long, long time. |
Yeah I caught gravity falls on a tv while at an ice cream shop and I really liked what I saw. Why was Flapjack the nexus of every important children's television animator this decade? It's like if you worked on Flapjack you are immediately going to make something good afterwards. _________________
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This Machine Kills Fascis Unfinite Indiscovery

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:19 pm |
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Watched the first ten minutes of this.
Kind of mediocre writing, but some great storyboarding/direction. Fantastic presentation overall, but--hey--it's Disney, so that's to be expected I guess.
Man. Disney really does do things right. I'd love to read or watch something about their animated TV division.
Is it totally polygonally rendered, or is traditional animation laid over it or something?
Also: It's good to know that America's obsession with radical individualism still outweighs our fear of terrorism. (I'm completely serious!) _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:21 pm |
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| Tulpa wrote: |
| HarveyQ wrote: |
hey guys you should check out Gravity Falls. it's sort of like Twin Peaks for kids!
it's also the funniest and prettiest thing i've seen on Disney Channel in a long, long time. |
Yeah I caught gravity falls on a tv while at an ice cream shop and I really liked what I saw. Why was Flapjack the nexus of every important children's television animator this decade? It's like if you worked on Flapjack you are immediately going to make something good afterwards. |
A conversation at Comicon 2025:
"So, what's your Flapjack number?" _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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| i dont know how to give a thing made of blood but id do it |
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| If you die in the axe, you die in real life |
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This Machine Kills Fascis Unfinite Indiscovery

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:23 pm |
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Man, kids really do have it good these days. Current cartoons make some of the stuff we grew up with look like Hannah Barbera circa 1965.
Nice to know that there is progress.
Thank you for raising our children, nerds (:_;)7 _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
| MrSkeleton wrote: |
| i dont know how to give a thing made of blood but id do it |
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| If you die in the axe, you die in real life |
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Tulpa

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:26 pm |
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| It's good to know that America's obsession with radical individualism still outweighs our fear of terrorism. (I'm completely serious!) |
What? I mean they're very much linked concepts _________________
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This Machine Kills Fascis Unfinite Indiscovery

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:34 pm |
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Hrm? Howso? In the sense that Americans characterize Muslim terrorists as brainwashed footsoldiers? _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
| MrSkeleton wrote: |
| i dont know how to give a thing made of blood but id do it |
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| If you die in the axe, you die in real life |
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Tulpa

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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:39 pm |
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That and the self characterization of America as a radical individualist nation that others hate because we're so 'free', all with a large dash of paternalism (as important to radical individualism as being an individual. Robin Hood still bowed to the king, etc)
I mean what you said kind of read like "It's good to know that Peanut Butter still outweighs Jelly in Peanut Butter Jelly Sandwiches. (I'm completely serious!)" _________________
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Ronnoc

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:47 am |
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| Oh, I have seen that one, ten years and whatnot |
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HarveyQ

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:00 pm |
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| Jujyfruits wrote: |
| i guess everybody already talked about this but i've been watching a lot of Adventure Time from the first episode and i love every second of it. |
i have intended to make a big 'ol thread/post/thread about just why i adore AT so much and why it's my favorite animated series for awhile now.
still thinking about it. let's just say for now i love it like a favorite book or album. like, AT is the EarthBound of cartoons for me.
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| Yeah I caught gravity falls on a tv while at an ice cream shop and I really liked what I saw. Why was Flapjack the nexus of every important children's television animator this decade? It's like if you worked on Flapjack you are immediately going to make something good afterwards. |
yeah i've noticed this too. i guess Flapjack just attracted a lot of really talented people!
i think a lot of what makes these shows so good is that they're all storyboard-driven, and most of the 'boarders were hired based on the strength of their independent comics and side projects. writing a storyboard is basically like making a comic, after all. _________________
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This Machine Kills Fascis Unfinite Indiscovery

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:36 pm |
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| HarveyQ wrote: |
| i think a lot of what makes these shows so good is that they're all storyboard-driven, and most of the 'boarders were hired based on the strength of their independent comics and side projects. writing a storyboard is basically like making a comic, after all. |
Yeah, I don't know about Adventure Time, and I doubt this is the case with something as big and complex as Gravity Falls, but in the credits of Regular Show you can see that the writer always storyboards the show. And based on some of the off-model riffs and animation gags that are unique to each episode, I'd say that the animation team sticks pretty closely to those boards.
So every episode of Regular Show is pretty much one person's sequential vision, brought to life by a team of animators.
When I reflect on why I like Regular Show so much, I realize that it's mostly animation jokes. A lot of my favorite moments are just funny faces that the characters made or frames skipped when Rigby gets punched in the arm. I mean, honestly a lot of the show can be kind of lazy, but the animation, paired with the likable characters and overall tone is what makes me a superfan. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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| i dont know how to give a thing made of blood but id do it |
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| If you die in the axe, you die in real life |
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HarveyQ

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Tulpa

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:36 pm |
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Yeah it's definitely true of Adventure Time. Probably the funnest thing to watch is when some AT regular does a Regular Show episode or vice versa
Does anyone know if Gravity Falls is getting boarded the same way? There's so much character in the animation that I would assume it to be true. (Without knowing anything about the show I actually assumed it was by the Regular Show guys in particular just because of the way people are cartooned) _________________
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This Machine Kills Fascis Unfinite Indiscovery

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:31 pm |
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Huh. I wonder if Flapjack was the genesis of the writer/boarder auteur model for cartooning?
At least in this batch of animators it seems to be the case.
I know that with Zim, the storyboarders were obsessed with making every shot overly complex and cinematic, to the point that the storyboards were routinely cut down to size. And, of course, everything in Zim was always pretty close to model.
Flapjack alum obviously take a very different approach, focusing on being cutesy and expressive and--as a result--turning non-jokes into hilarious moments.
I was never really a fan of Warner Bros. and Fleischer Bros.-style logic/physics jokes. But I like that in Flapjack alum. 'toons small, personal moments are given a slight inflection of humor. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Take It Sleazy

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:47 pm |
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Well they did it that way on a great deal of looney tunes even though they didn't use the word "storyboard" in the credits per se
John Kricfalusi kind of started a version of that model back up and then the early cartoon network shows like dexter and powerpuff girls were among the first in the modern era that specifically had the storyboarder as the writer without any "written by" credit at all |
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This Machine Kills Fascis Unfinite Indiscovery

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:25 am |
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Huh. When I think of the expressive animation in certain Warner Bros. cartoons, I always picture it as one animator animating a chunk of the cartoon, so it takes on that artistically off-model quality.
And with stuff like Dexter, I've never thought of it as that expressive, but I didn't really grow up watching it, so I've never seen a full episode. It's just that 90's bold outline sharp angle proto-flash style always seemed like the product of Korean slave labor with minimal key-frame oversight.
Does anybody know what was and what wasn't animated in-house? For some reason, I assume that Regular show is done in-house, because it's so specific. But I always figured that Power Puff and Dexter were Korean. |
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Tulpa

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:56 am |
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uh they're all in-house _________________
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This Machine Kills Fascis Unfinite Indiscovery

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:06 am |
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Well, it looks like Rough Draft Korea has done work on all of them, but I can't tell how much: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rough_Draft_Studios
In Futurama the Korean animators are always in the credits (iirc), but I don't think the same goes for stuff like The Regular Show.
But I guess they're just doing the inbetweens in all those cases, right? _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Tulpa

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:38 am |
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inbetweens and a little bit of the tedious process of inking/painting cels.
You can't really judge whether a cartoon was more or less in-house based on its style, tbh. The angular upa style of Tartakovsky projects does not mean cheapness of production any more than rounded Adventure Time/Regular Show style mean lavishness. _________________
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cavefish

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:53 am |
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| i remember reading adventure time was completely animated in korea. and that first it was done by JM Media and then they changed it to another one, probably the one TMKF linked, during the second season |
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This Machine Kills Fascis Unfinite Indiscovery

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:14 am |
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| Tulpa wrote: |
| The angular upa style of Tartakovsky projects does not mean cheapness of production any more than rounded Adventure Time/Regular Show style mean lavishness. |
Oh yeah, I know.
It wasn't the roundness of newer shows that made me think they were mostly in-house, so much as the specificity and love that seemed to be in each frame. When I think of Korean studios, I think of robotic on-model (or--y'know--supposed to be on-model) slave labor. But I don't know, Rough Draft seems to be a pretty high quality studio. Plus, they're located in South Korea, and maybe the cheap work mostly comes out of North Korea (afterall, I know that North Korea does a lot of animation). I don't know. I feel like this part of the animation industry is sort of swept under the carpet.
I've always wondered how Venture Bros. came together looking so good. In one of the commentaries one of the creators said they put the show together for shockingly little money (without naming an amount), using a Korean studio for most of season 1 and all of season 2. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Take It Sleazy

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:30 am |
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Man that recent Venture Bros special that was all animated in the states looked even better than it usually does to me although I know some people disagree
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Tulpa

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:32 am |
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That stereotype you have about korean studios seems to be almost entirely unfounded though.
All these shows just have a strong directorial hand. It's like the difference in appearance between the average Madhouse anime and something Yuasa directs, frex. _________________
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Tulpa

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:36 am |
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| cavefish wrote: |
| i remember reading adventure time was completely animated in korea. and that first it was done by JM Media and then they changed it to another one, probably the one TMKF linked, during the second season |
JM Media did that first Adventure Time short like five years ago. In any case, 'completely animated' seems to not include key frames, story boards, coloring, cleanup, animatics or directing. _________________
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Tulpa

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:49 am |
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I mean by contrast, even if the ink and paint was done in the states, Batman:TAS is a good example of a show that was significantly worked on overseas. Of the directorial portion of animation, only storyboards were local. _________________
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