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funnelcake
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I don't mind this because I'll probably play this more than any other game this year. |
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Lick Meth
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 3:36 pm |
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| Pat the Great wrote: |
| What is the problem, exactly? I have no problem with Capcom making money with incremental updates and DLC. I would have killed for that during the CVS2/3s/MVC2 days, when all we got was Capcom Fighting Evolution. They're doing balance patches now! That's exciting! |
It was stupid bullshit that cost sales on the SNES with Street Fighter 2, and in the modern times of other games being massively overhauled with online patches and DLC, there's no need for physical media to be used for what is a comparitively tiny update against contemporary Western examples (as in Western games vs. Japanese games). You'll probably reel out that line about how we can "choose" not to get this update, whilst we simultaneously see that the entire online userbase of SF4 moved to SSF4 and then to MvC3 and then to SSF4AE (fuck me).
The fighting game market is barely big enough to support a community large enough for one game online at a time as it is, and now it's fragmented further. |
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Pat the Great
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:24 pm |
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No one plays SF4 when Super SF4 is out because that's the point. It's like keeping an NFL sub-league that plays a separate set of games which don't have Instant Replay. Similarly, no one really plays MVC1, Street Fighter Alpha, Guilty Gear XX#R, or Super Street Fighter II. If you like playing SF4 against people, you need to be playing the most current version.
Whether it's released as DLC or a disc makes no difference to me, personally, though I imagine the adoption rate would be higher on disc than DLC. 4+ characters and balance tweaks is a pretty significant update for a fighting game.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:34 pm |
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| i guess with AE, the game doesn't appear as tweaked and different as say, the second and third revisions of SF3. since i'm not a huge fan of SF4, i'd be more inclined to download an update for $15 or something than i would be to go spend another $40 on it. i mean, i'm sure after price drops, there's a decent chance i'd pick up AE on a whim if i were feeling like playing the game again. but yea, i don't necessarily see AE taking away from the MvC3 community or whatever else they end up releasing. |
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RobotRocker
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:06 pm |
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Street Fighter IV has some of the nicest facial expressions I've ever seen in a 3D game, not to mention some very enjoyable backgrounds, sounds and BGM. That's always where I feel the love with a fighting game, and I feel it with Street Fighter IV.
If you don't feel the latest rehash of Mortal Kombat is a paycheck game I'm not sure what to say. They genuinely tried new things with that series and killed off some annoying long term characters in the last decade, but this just feels like a retread of UMK3 to sell some units. Capcom had to do that to return to the mainstream of gaming but I don't think Boon does. |
I still don't get the appeal of SSF4's aesthetic. It just looks hideous to me, and all of the music is just so forgettable. I literally can't remember a single tune from it off the top of my head, and I played it for at least a few months. Disclaimer: I compare all video game music to MvC2/3S/CvS2.
Everything they tried with the other Mortal Kombats was just Midway trying to cram shit on Boon. Ed Boon really really loves the Mortal Kombat franchise, and when Midway died he immediately went in with some ridiculous bid and finally got it back, and now he's making the Mortal Kombat he's always wanted to make. Everything I see about it, and everything I read on his twitter, just makes it sound like a huge labor of love.
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To be honest, since MK4, its not entirely unexpected for people to be giving the MK team a rough time and expecting them not deliver after giving them five shots already. The main factor this time though, is that they are under new management and given the time and budget to do what they want instead of churning out what Midway's focus groups demanded they put in and make sure its out for Halloween every two years. Its right they are being scrutinised because five fuck ups in a row isn't good, but saying "its bad because its MK and we know they will fuck up" when NRS are making a clear effort not to repeat the mistakes of the past and are trying to reach back out to the more hardcore player base is somewhat disingenuous.
Wait and see. If not, pick it up anyway and reap the salty tears of everyone who quit Marvel for MK. If only they had a methane flamethrower fatality in this one as well...
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Ben Reed
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:17 pm |
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Capcom exist in this perpetual state of horror because people like you exist. Stop existing like this and the problem will resolve in time. |
Are you, in fact, angered, sir?
But let me elaborate on my feelings nonetheless. Yes, buying console AE would play right into Capcom's hands, but at the same time, I think the fun I'd have playing it (*deep gasp* People have FUN playing Street Fighter 4?!?) would outweigh whatever momentary shame I'd have for encouraging this business model.
First of all, I think it's worth my money because I really do consume pretty much nothing video-game-wise EXCEPT fighting games. Whatever $40-$60 US I drop on console AE probably wouldn't be going anywhere else this year except maybe Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Guild Wars 2.
Secondly, pretty much all my fighting-game friends will be playing it. This will sound stupid to some, but I DO value the experience of playing a "part of the problem" game against my flesh-and-blood friends a lot more than I value my SB street cred abstaining from an experience that, though its distribution model is unfortunate, still looks like a lot of fun. I don't feel bad about whatever extra money I'd be spending because I ALREADY spend most of my video-gaming budget on this hobby. I dropped a hundred bucks on a specialized controller not four months ago (and it was worth it, too); what's $40 for a new disc on my shelf?
I don't pretend this is anything other than massive personal bias. But I believe in my bias. I know its strengths as well as its weaknesses, and I honestly wouldn't have it any other way.
As for "apathy"...I only sound apathetic on the Internet. In person, behind the joystick, I'm having the time of my video-gaming life. As much as certain turns in the industry disappoint me, I'm absolutely thrilled to be a part of the community right now. I may sound bored now, but I'm sure I'll be hype once I start crushing random Yun/Yang players beneath Bison's iron boot.
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idle
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:25 pm |
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| saying "its bad because its MK and we know they will fuck up" when NRS are making a clear effort not to repeat the mistakes of the past and are trying to reach back out to the more hardcore player base is somewhat disingenuous |
I don't think the negative attitude towards the new MK is unwarranted at all, and I'm a long time MK fan. As someone else put it, if Boon had a decent fighting game in him he would've made it sometime in the last 20 years.
And then we have shit like this:
I mean, c'mon. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:02 pm |
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The demo is from a really early build of the game. There's no way that'll be in the final revision, and neither will any of the stupid 100%/70% combos on youtube.
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| if Boon had a decent fighting game in him he would've made it sometime in the last 20 years. |
UMK3 is pretty good! |
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RobotRocker
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:22 pm |
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The demo is from a really early build of the game. There's no way that'll be in the final revision, and neither will any of the stupid 100%/70% combos on youtube.
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| if Boon had a decent fighting game in him he would've made it sometime in the last 20 years. |
UMK3 is pretty good! |
MK2 and UMK3 are pretty good. As well, that shit Norvil put up was already confirmed gone in the PAX East build and the demo is based on the first build they made. Also, that trap has always been stupid easy in MK games. Block, Sweep, Upercut, Teleport or Ice Clone. Everything had tons of priority over "Mash HP".
Speaking of the 70% combo's. NRS actually flew the guy who found them (CHECK4900) out to Chicago and gave him a years contract as a QA tester as he was so good at the job. Again, can't say they aren't trying.
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:41 pm |
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Looking at Capcom's JP website it looks like SF4 AE has room for 8 more characters not including the ones we already know.
http://www.capcom.co.jp/sf4/character.html
I'm sure plenty of bitching will ensue on the regular fight forums for a while until we inevitable cave in and buy it on day 1. I personally await the TURBO moniker to come back
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brckrd!
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So apparently there's been a new MvC3 character leak. It supposedly from Lupinko who you should remember as the guy who correctly leaked the current MvC3 roster.
Marvel
Dr Octopus
Juggernaut
Elektra
Apocalypse
Iceman
Thanos
Ms Marvel
Capcom
Frank West
Phoenix Wright
Megaman X
Gene
Talbain
Strider
Gail
I hope it's true. Gene? Apocalypse? GAIL?!
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| Frank West, Phoenix Wright, Dr Octopus and Juggernaut will be revealed at Capcom Captivate next week. When the next batch of DLC characters are released we will get the a Phoenix Wright court stage. |
So I guess we'll find out next week.
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| Also a full game version will be out next year. |
lol
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negativedge
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:39 pm |
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| that's an ok list, even if I want X-men that don't suck instead. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:03 pm |
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So will they go with cartoon Juggernaut voice or movie voice-like? Eagerly awaiting hearing Juggernaut scream various character names... Zero!
Speaking of, did they get the 90s cartoon voice of Storm to reprise her role?
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| I hope it's true. Strider? Apocalypse? MS MARVEL?! |
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skelethulu
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:09 pm |
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Excited to funnel $70 into MVC3.
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brckrd!
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| Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:18 pm |
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Or just wait and funnel 40$ into MVC3: Complete Edition assuming they follow the standard set by SSF4
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ArOne
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:01 am |
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If that list is true, fuck my self righteous design philosophies, I'm gonna have a fun time with Gene, Strider and X.
Also, I've always thought that if they really wanted to give megaman a fresh spin, giving him a counter move that lets him copy a move from his opponent. Of course, what move is copied is left up to the developers.
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negativedge
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:12 am |
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| like kirby in smash! |
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skelethulu
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 3:44 am |
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| Or just wait and funnel 40$ into MVC3: Complete Edition assuming they follow the standard set by SSF4 |
I'm actually not whining! I wish somehow that they would put a character out every 2 weeks and I could put $5 down to mess with it. If the disc version wasn't inevitable, I'd prefer this ala cart method anyway. |
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idle
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:58 am |
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Apparently Lupinko said it wasn't him that came up with that list. There's nothing about it on his Twitter feed either.
Just thought I should let you guys know!
Gene's presence on there should've been enough to set off red flags anyway. |
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BotageL
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:41 am |
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we went an entire competitive scene for sf4 without a major, on-camera fight
six weeks into marvel and somebody broke a samba de amigo machine. on the night of uk:r's closing, even!
it's an omen.
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Lasakon
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:58 am |
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goodbye blue skies
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nothingxs
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negativedge
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:13 am |
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| sometimes the whole fighting game scene just reminds you that it is essentially populated by kids and people pretending to be kids. veering closer to xbox live first person shooter screamers territory. |
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negativedge
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yeah, probably. but back when no one cared about fighting games the people that did sure were a lot more interesting. there is still the sense of local scenes and rivalries and all that, which is nice, but that inevitable homogenization of things is otherwise making things uneasy.
love in the time of globalization |
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RobotRocker
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:30 am |
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Apparently Lupinko said it wasn't him that came up with that list. There's nothing about it on his Twitter feed either.
Just thought I should let you guys know!
Gene's presence on there should've been enough to set off red flags anyway. |
Gene was talked about during development but it came down between him and Ammy and the developers preferred that fucking dog. So I wouldn't be surprised if he did show anytime soon (Capcom US are well aware of God Hand's cult hit status). Talbain is more the red flag there considering the politicking over who gets DS4 between Niitsuma and Ono. Captivate is next week though so there should be an announcement of what is next for the DLC next week (That is embargoed till the Monday after for some strange reason but gets leaked anyway. lol Capcom)
Capcom said they shipped 2million already, which was their goal in the first place so another disc is probably on the horizon though. They mentioned more fighters and costumes are on the way as well in the PR so yeah, check Captivate next week.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:33 am |
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yeah, probably. but back when no one cared about fighting games the people that did sure were a lot more interesting. there is still the sense of local scenes and rivalries and all that, which is nice, but that inevitable homogenization of things is otherwise making things uneasy.
love in the time of globalization |
I don't follow. |
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negativedge
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:36 am |
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nah, talking shit is fun
even fighting is ok. it's just maybe it used to seem like it meant something or was for something. I am probably making this up but I don't think I am making up the fact that some difference exists |
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:48 am |
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nah, talking shit is fun
even fighting is ok. it's just maybe it used to seem like it meant something or was for something. I am making this up but I don't think I am making up the fact that some difference exists |
marvel always inspired the greatest moments in fisticuffs and smack. only now we stream it as opposed to only seeing it (off-camera) at tourneys.
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brckrd!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 2:43 pm |
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I'm actually not whining! I wish somehow that they would put a character out every 2 weeks and I could put $5 down to mess with it. If the disc version wasn't inevitable, I'd prefer this ala cart method anyway. |
Sorry for the misunderstanding! I wasn't trying to jump down your throat or anything.
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Apparently Lupinko said it wasn't him that came up with that list. There's nothing about it on his Twitter feed either. |
This is what I was worried about. I still hope the list is true but I'm not holding my breath.
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Toptube
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:07 pm |
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Is Gail the guy from Dino Crisis?
Why would they give us him over Regina??? |
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Pat the Great
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 4:08 pm |
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Apparently Lupinko said it wasn't him that came up with that list. There's nothing about it on his Twitter feed either. |
This is what I was worried about. I still hope the list is true but I'm not holding my breath. |
It is rather close to April 1, guys.
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RobotRocker
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:17 pm |
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Apparently Lupinko said it wasn't him that came up with that list. There's nothing about it on his Twitter feed either. |
This is what I was worried about. I still hope the list is true but I'm not holding my breath. |
It is rather close to April 1, guys. |
I'd expect a ton of it since its very close to Captivate. I don't doubt Capcom will have something MvC3 related there but it will probably be small compared to that. Also, its Capcom. Something will leak before or during the event.
Speaking of MvC3. There are new Event modes with 1v1 and 2v2 in arcade mode only. Sadly not great implementation of 1v1 as there is only one round but its a neat distraction (Guess what Vs Mode option is probably going to be shoved in as paid DLC soon)
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:26 pm |
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| I'd probably pay a dollar or two to be able to pick more than one of the same character on a team offline. |
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brckrd!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:30 pm |
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Yipes getting in some games of MVC3.
...and Smooth Viper embarrassing everyone involved.
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Lick Meth
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 12:38 am |
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Apparently Lupinko said it wasn't him that came up with that list. There's nothing about it on his Twitter feed either. |
This is what I was worried about. I still hope the list is true but I'm not holding my breath. |
It is rather close to April 1, guys. |
Why try for something fantastical and wild when you can settle for tame as fuck? |
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ionustron
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 1:52 am |
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I wish I got into watching these streams earlier.
Well it was funny when that one guy was getting so pissed on AE, throwing stuff. |
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Lick Meth
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:21 am |
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Capcom exist in this perpetual state of horror because people like you exist. Stop existing like this and the problem will resolve in time. |
Are you, in fact, angered, sir?
But let me elaborate on my feelings nonetheless. Yes, buying console AE would play right into Capcom's hands, but at the same time, I think the fun I'd have playing it (*deep gasp* People have FUN playing Street Fighter 4?!?) would outweigh whatever momentary shame I'd have for encouraging this business model.
First of all, I think it's worth my money because I really do consume pretty much nothing video-game-wise EXCEPT fighting games. Whatever $40-$60 US I drop on console AE probably wouldn't be going anywhere else this year except maybe Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Guild Wars 2.
Secondly, pretty much all my fighting-game friends will be playing it. This will sound stupid to some, but I DO value the experience of playing a "part of the problem" game against my flesh-and-blood friends a lot more than I value my SB street cred abstaining from an experience that, though its distribution model is unfortunate, still looks like a lot of fun. I don't feel bad about whatever extra money I'd be spending because I ALREADY spend most of my video-gaming budget on this hobby. I dropped a hundred bucks on a specialized controller not four months ago (and it was worth it, too); what's $40 for a new disc on my shelf?
I don't pretend this is anything other than massive personal bias. But I believe in my bias. I know its strengths as well as its weaknesses, and I honestly wouldn't have it any other way.
As for "apathy"...I only sound apathetic on the Internet. In person, behind the joystick, I'm having the time of my video-gaming life. As much as certain turns in the industry disappoint me, I'm absolutely thrilled to be a part of the community right now. I may sound bored now, but I'm sure I'll be hype once I start crushing random Yun/Yang players beneath Bison's iron boot. |
That was an awful lot of words for what amounted to fuck all.
The problem is that Capcom, like many Japanese companies, have not sufficiently adapted to modern presentational practices that should be becoming more standardised by now, with such approaches spear-headed by Western companies. Included is the fact that the *whole* product is included in one disc, with updated versions being delivered through the internet, and optional extras being delivered through DLC, usually developed after the fact that the game has sold fairly well; development on further DLC can be stopped if early DLC sales are poor, but at least extra revenue isn't being wasted.
Comparitively, Capcom have been continually releasing titles with DLC already included on the disc, and bitching in the press about how us paying for it is vital to future games and the survival of the franchise and other threats issued for whatever reason. And sometimes it's quite large sections or features, like with RE5 and the extra missions or whatever. And people like you continue to fall for it, justifying it for yourself by saying that you only play fighting games or whatever, which is not only very rare but also flimsy reasoning as to why the rest of us should have to fork over another £30 for what could be sold by any other company for £10-15 (apart from Namco). Oh, but you get 6 minutes of cutscenes that you'll only watch once!
Regardless of what I say, it's impossible for me to argue against your stance, because you've explicitly qualified yourself as wholey and staunchly dedicated to the game, but that doesn't give you the right to play the clueless sardonic like everything's sooo obvious to everyone. |
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RobotRocker
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2011 10:47 am |
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| idle wrote: |
Apparently Lupinko said it wasn't him that came up with that list. There's nothing about it on his Twitter feed either. |
This is what I was worried about. I still hope the list is true but I'm not holding my breath. |
It is rather close to April 1, guys. |
Why try for something fantastical and wild when you can settle for tame as fuck? |
'Tis confirmed by Capcom that thy malicious gossip be bullshit of the highest magnitude
Also some new MK Tag team stuff.
I wonder what the tourney standard will be. Both Single and Tag look absolutely crazy.
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