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tataki
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 Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:24 am |
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I play fighting games and I really don't understand the point of this article.
Not going against it or anything. If it convinces people to play fighting games then by all means go and write even 10 more of these.
I'm just confused because as someone who's into fighting games maybe I should be understanding the point but I really don't.
Can someone explain to me what I'm missing here? |
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tataki
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:56 am |
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| nothingxs wrote: |
| tataki wrote: |
I play fighting games and I really don't understand the point of this article.
Not going against it or anything. If it convinces people to play fighting games then by all means go and write even 10 more of these.
I'm just confused because as someone who's into fighting games maybe I should be understanding the point but I really don't.
Can someone explain to me what I'm missing here? |
It's a story of someone's experiences as a result of involvement in fighting games and competitive fighting game culture. It's weird -- I think you will appreciate this more if fighting games have done something for you on a personal level outside of merely entertain you. |
If that's the point then I guess the fact that I take what you just said for granted is probably why I didn't understand why the article is such a big deal.
For me it's like reading "the sky is blue" but more like a 2000 word explanation of how blue the sky is, so it felt kinda banal and I thought maybe there was something else that I missed.
Or maybe I'm just not fond of the way he chose to express this deep connection to FGs, so it didn't evoke any emotional response.
But if other people got the point then I guess it has done its job. |
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tataki
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:26 pm |
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http://nothingxs.net/?p=209
Andres you are a really weird person.
"There is a disturbing new trend"
???????
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/sportsmanship.html
"When a player radiates a sense of total dominance at a game, I call this a “fear aura.” The most unlikely of pale, white computer geeks can strike fear into the hearts of other gamers when they discover that he is, in fact, “PhatDan09” or whatever name is known to dominate tournaments. With the fear aura, he is able to get away with gambits and maneuvers no ordinary player could ever pull off, just because the opponent gives him the extreme benefit of the doubt on everything that occurs in the game. If the wielder of the fear aura appears to be vulnerable, perhaps it is just what he wants you to think. It might be safer to hesitate, and then—oops—to lose."
There is no way you competed in tournaments and never ever felt this yourself when facing a known top player.
Are you even human?
http://nothingxs.net/?p=212
Which character do you play?
And UMVC3 looks like an april fools joke |
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tataki
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:08 pm |
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| Mikey wrote: |
| Who the fuck is Rocket Raccoon |
it's (from) marvel baby |
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tataki
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| Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:23 pm |
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| Then you are a rare breed nothingXS because this fear aura issue happens to almost every player at some point in his "career". |
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tataki
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:35 am |
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| RobotRocker wrote: |
| Cool posts. 3S seems like a sacred cow at times so it's nice to see people put it into words on how its a nice game but not the be all and end all of FG's |
No game is a sacred cow.
***Warning- Mountains of bitterness ahead. Read at your own cost***
If people really wanted the genre to get better they would support and demand more polished sequels to series like Guilty Gear, SF2, and Arcana Heart.
For me all those game series represent the right direction of the genre, but instead people want badly designed games. (SF3,SF4 etc.) Or prefer to stay with the same version of a game forever instead of demanding progress. Look at the whole ST->HDR drama for a great example of how shitty the community has become.
It's no secret that ST is a great game but can still be improved.
It's no secret that HDR did improve a lot of things, but still didn't get everything right.
What happened is that most of the community dissed the whole initiative for the dumbest reasons possible, and even top players gave arguments that you'd expect to hear from 15 year old scrubs. And congrats- you have just killed the scene and with it, the future of SF2.
In a perfect world where everyone is smart and mature, people who like SF2 as much as I do should have been supporting this game like crazy, even when they think it's a bit worse than ST. (It's still at least 90% ST and don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise)
Then after for example 2 years of play, everyone would have a better idea of what needs fixing and what doesn't, and because of the support Capcom would have patched it.
Instead what happened is that both versions are now pretty dead, and most of those people would rather suffer playing the abomination that is SF4. Good job.
Lot's of GG players don't think AC is the best version, and with good reason. It did improve some stuff, but also added a lot of new things that are somewhat unpolished. So they talk about what needs to be fixed, yet still tell people to play and support it because it's the newest standard version right now, and hope for a new GG to come out.
Blazblue on the other hand started really really bad but as long as it's still improving from version to version (even if at a slow pace- I'm still waiting for them to return to GG throws of small range and 0 frame and no big tech window) I'll continue supporting it.
SF4 is a different case though. I too supported SF4 when it came out, and was very vocal about its HUGE problems (will explain in another post if asked to), but Capcom didn't want to fix the real issues in 2 revisions so the only winning move for me was to stop supporting this crap.
As long as a lot of people still play it "because it's popular" despite being aware of it's problems, nothing will change and they'll be stuck playing this shit forever.
People who are willing to listen like Sirlin are getting hate in return.
People who don't give a fuck about us, like Capcom, are getting support.
That's also why when I see Mike Z talking about his game, showing that he really cares about the fucking players, then I see people dissing SG because it has girls in it or some shit, and it pisses me off.
So I think the "hardcore" FGC community is mostly garbage at the moment, noobs and pros alike, and it even shows in the approach to new games.
MVC3 comes out- Justin Wong cries on twitter like a fucking baby on Sentinel and everyone joins the QQ bandwagon.
Sent gets patched just as we start learning to deal with him.
A few months later- Everyone bitches about Phoenix. New counters are found but no one cares.
Everyone saw the new anti-Phoenix trick Spiderman has, but I'm (maybe) the only one on the forums who tested it in actual matches from the side of the Phoenix player and later promoted Spiderman as a counter pick because when used as DHC he prevents the transformation and makes Phoenix basically useless (based on personal experience)- No one gives a shit, no one bothers with Spiderman or finding any other counters.
Phoenix then wins Evo while no one even considered using Spiderman against her, and people continue to bitch (while also ignoring that half of the work was done by Wesker+Haggar lariat).
And Capcom as always offers the magic solution of patching your problems away- With a new version after only 8 months.
So what's the logic here? People still like 3S the way it is after 10 years of play, yet cry about patching MVC3 from day one. Everything is the opposite from the way it should be.
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tataki
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:16 am |
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| P1d40n3 wrote: |
| but don't start connecting that to other games. |
Maybe people are different but the scenarios are the same.
Play the game for a whole year and see how it develops before you cry- HDR=MVC3
Think the version you play is fine the way it is, play it for ever and ever and not push to improve it.
ST=3S=SF4
I'd like to think of myself as one of the most open minded FG players out there. Yea, I bitch and moan a lot but I'm always willing to learn more and always willing to let people prove me wrong, to teach me and enlighten me and will even thank them for doing so.
Too bad I'm a minority. |
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tataki
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:34 pm |
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| BotageL wrote: |
i'm just come out and give the scrub response here: i don't think it's particularly exciting having a single character who counterpicks over half the cast of the game and essentially requires investment in specific risky counter-counter strategies which are likely to involve completely switching up one's team to win the match against a competent player. sorry. i just don't think that's fun. it makes the game a little too obviously about guessing right in a handful of situations
and yes this is because i'm a bad player and play a bad team and don't put in the effort to have other ones in my back pocket |
But not only they ignored the solution they already had, nobody wanted to try to look for more solutions either. Why bother when you can just cry for a patch? |
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tataki
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 10:06 pm |
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| Booter wrote: |
same thing with mvc3. phoenix ruins the game. why even bother putting arthur in the game if he has so little opportunity to win? what was the point of even including him in the game? wouldn't the game be better if all of the characters were closer in power? if not, why?
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Funny example since Arthur does pretty well against Phoenix himself. |
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