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TXTSWORD
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| remote wrote: |
It's just what I can wear while using Grant. If I switch to a lighter weapon I can equip upgraded Giant's armor.
Honestly, though, it doesn't seem to matter much. I'm pretty good at rolling away from hits in pvp (unless I'm just lagstabbed from miles away). |
Yeah, in a game that's mostly about getting one shotted or not I guess your armor stat can be kind of trivial depending on how you play it.
I guess this probably isn't the best or most accurate position to take, but really what's the difference if you sneak in enough armor to die to a backstab and some chip damage over just a backstab. You still really need to not get backstabbed.
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:52 pm |
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| Yes start over. lol. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 8:04 pm |
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| ^I'm really really liking the sound of this. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:27 pm |
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| Mr. Apol wrote: |
| youpi you forgot four kings |
(Just rush them down close range with a lightning weapon!) |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:04 pm |
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| Dracko wrote: |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:55 pm |
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| I had to rely on the lightning spear for the first time when I made my most recent build (a while ago) which was a dagger build. Other then that I've ALWAYS had something better. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:57 pm |
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| I think they give you the spear as a kind of difficulty control. they know that no matter how crappy your build is you're still going to be just fine if you notice the big numbers on that thing in your inventory. and then they can basically balance the game around that situation. |
also as just kind of a hint to the first time player of what the upper tier upgrades actually do. |
Hint: Lightning wins. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:03 pm |
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| Youpi wrote: |
| TXTSWORD wrote: |
| I had to rely on the lightning spear for the first time when I made my most recent build (a while ago) which was a dagger build. Other then that I've ALWAYS had something better. |
Better in terms of raw damage of in terms of ease of killing stuff?
Because with the snake's weakness to lightning, I've yet to have a toon who arrived at Sen's with a weapon dealing more damage per hit than that spear.
Edit: Also holy shit how fast this thread is moving. Bet somebody will have replied before I'm done with my edit. |
Better like I'm running around laying things out in 1-2 hits why do I want to poke at it with a lightning spear B) |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:17 pm |
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| Petition for a poison weapon upgrade path! It's gross that only 2 weapons in the game have poison. I'm thinking of making a poison dude. Poison cloud (or whatever?) pyromancy, then I guess lighting club +5 or gravelord sword +5, and poison throwing knives. It probably won't work but.... |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:28 pm |
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| mauve wrote: |
Regarding bleed, yeah weapons have different bleed effect rates. I still have the best luck getting it from katanas. (Another reason katanas are stupidly good in this game.)
More important is the type of enemy, though, as some are weak to bleeding. The other day I made a new character and beat up the Stray Demon with a reinforced club that had no upgrades, and he was bleeding out every third hit. Who needs real weapons anyway?
The ogre guys in Blighttown, the snakemen in Sen's, and the harpies in the Painted World all stand out to me as being super easy to make bleed out.
Edit: Also, poison weapons? I have three words for you: Rotted Pine Resin. Buy a pile of it at the merchant in the aqueduct. |
OH YEAHHHH!!! So I could just +15 something (or raw? What is the point of the raw upgrade path?) and use resins.. fuck yeah! I love you :) |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:59 pm |
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| Yeah I noticed that it totally sucked - I was hoping I was missing something. I don't really ~get~ it or why that's there instead of like.... any of the other cool types they had in demon's that got cut. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:09 am |
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| Remembered that poison is completely useless beyond minor annoyance and abandoned Poison Dude idea. Character looks like she hulk. Got +5 caestus and beat some dudes up by the gargoyles. One dude had the drake sword and.. man... he was helpless. I kept chasing him down and backstabbing him and beating him right up. He used like probably his full 10 estus and eventually I pulverized him. I kind of want to keep this general level and just make a sort of good caestus to punch dudes up with. I did use my gold pine resin to punch one girl up. But I'm out of that now. Beyond this - I have no character ideas. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:02 am |
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| remote wrote: |
The wanderer I've been using to play with spec has turned out to be quite a lot of fun. Wearing the Silver Knight set except with the Gargoyle helm (same as spec's character, heh) but with just enough str/dex/end to equip a fully upgraded Silver Knight Shield and Lightning Washing Pole. Also using the Dark Wood Grain Ring.
TXTSWORD, your caestus story reminds me: I was fucking around in the Demon Ruins with my sunbro the other way, when I got invaded by a dude dual-wielding Dragon Bone Fists. I'll just say I underestimated him, because I opted not to heal. The duel went on for over a minute, and we were both pretty low on health by the time it was over. He went for the strong uppercut attack, which looks awesome, narrowly missing me. I went for one last two-handed roll-smash with my Grant, and he rolled behind me to deliver the final punch to my spine.
That was a victory I didn't mind handing over! Even messaged the guy to say "whoa awesome" and he replied to thank me for the duel.
I kind of want to have dual Dragon Bone Fists on one of my characters, now. |
Shit - I forgot about dragon bone fist! Though I guess you can't dual wield them until ng+ but I guess that doesn't matter. Dragon bone in the right, dark hand in the left. I know how I want to play this character now TYVM!
I've kind of wanted to make a usable fist character ever since I first got dark hand and ran around literally terrorizing people with it. YOU'RE TRYING TO RUN AWAY BUT I BACKSTAB PUNCH YOU OVER AND OVER YOU CAN'T RUUUUNNNN >:D |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:39 pm |
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| Kinto wrote: |
| Jesus I know they kicked my ass in the forest but they don't have to be jerks about winning a 2v1... |
Yeah that shit really irks me. In my invasions by the gargoyles I eventually ran into someone with a super companion level million with giant 1 shot sword and havel's etc. and then he went ahead and taunted me after I somehow didn't manage to punch him to death with a caestus+5 man I must REALLY suck! |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:28 pm |
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| Okay so my friend and I are going to make Hulk and She Hulk characters that will be overleveled forest dudes. Not invaders, just hang out in the forest coop dudes. We'll punch up invaders with Dragon Bone Fist and probably the pyromancy that makes you deal more damage or whatever. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:36 pm |
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| Oh true considering we'd be hanging out there for a while. Just trying to find a reasonable way to make this usable. Just gotta find a way to punch dudes up! You can't buff DBfist, right? Might have to opt for caestus +15. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:46 pm |
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OKAY Hulk cosplay idea is on hold.
New idea - both of us super endurance characters with havel's shields and pikes. Back to back. On the bridge at the forest. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:58 pm |
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We're trying to make funny/fun builds - not be world class PVPers. At least, I'm just doing it for fun. Obviously, losing pathetically over and over wouldn't be fun... but if we can at least get some goofy dudes that have no idea how to counter this strategy.
NVM we're getting baulder shields. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:01 pm |
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| remote wrote: |
| You should still Double Dragon Bone Fist it up. Would definitely make for some good times. |
Oh I totally still want to. I'm looking forward to the both of us uppercutting dudes. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:17 pm |
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Wait - dragon bone fist can be buffed???????
OK IDK why I asked it's all right there for me to see. That's awesome holy shit. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:40 pm |
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| Yeah - it's a funny idea but there's no point in trying it out now :\ It's too "been done". Next souls game I'm going to play so hard that I try out all the good ideas before everyone else! D: I am running out of build ideas because either something is effective and everyone knows it - or my friend has tried it and told me all about it - or it's useless. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:33 pm |
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| They should stop letting people of all fucking levels break into your world at like - say - undead burg. It's ridiculous. My friend and I were working on our new dudes and we decided to coop through it together for fun but out fun was always cut short by some no skill scrub with a one shot weapon and super armor. Gosh they must be having a lot of fun. It happened to us through every place we played last night. One guy I pulverized and backstabbed a ton of times and then he got one pyrmonacy off on me killing me intantly - then taunted. it's so stupid. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:22 pm |
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| remote wrote: |
I guess spec and I have mostly been lucky enough to only have been invaded by players around our gear level. Once, just before we first started (I was leveling a new character to around 20 since she already had one started), I was messing around under Hellkite's bridge and someone with a lightning weapon invaded me. I don't always assume this sort of invader is actually over my level range, but it does boggle the mind a little to think they managed to reach Anor Londo without passing level 20. Then again, I guess all they really have to do is kill the bell gargoyles, Quelaag, and the Iron Golem (after slipping through Sen's Fortress). With enough patience it's clearly feasible. Just seems like kind of a lot of work to go through in order to get yourself a weapon that one-shots your victims in the Burg. So yeah, the effect is the same, and it is stupid. Reaching a level (a SL and a level of upgraded equipment, spells, etc.) where you can enter a place like the forest and do well (while still losing from time to time, in all fairness) is far more honorable and rewarding. It's a little sad that this is lost on so many people who can only cheese their way to hollow victory.
What can you do, though? Shrug it off and move on. You have better opponents awaiting you. |
I dunno man, I've encountered super dudes with the kind of frequency and gear and spells and miracles and pyromancy in undead burg - oh and super summon dudes - that I have my doubts that they're all even close to being my soul level. I have serious doubts about it. I'm not sure how they would even be able to equip the stuff they equip. And I find it hard to believe there is an endless amount of people who have mastered the game to the point that they can go get all the stuff they have - especially considering their apparent lack of any skill with the game.
And it's kind of tough to shrug off when you literally can't enjoy the multiplayer functionality of the game for a huge chunk of it. Just wanted to have some fun with my friend. Not that I mind being invaded - but literally getting invaded by an unbeatable supervillain every single time I go human is just ridiculous. I've really not seen any evidence that the people you get matched up with have to be anywhere near your level in any part of the game since the patch. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:31 pm |
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They all scale so they all suck B)
But I feel like +15 normal w/ crystal magic is the best but idk |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 10:48 pm |
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| mauve wrote: |
Resin's a waste. Only good one is lightning resin and you can't buy it, only farm it.
Low to mid level builds are better off with magic/enchanted type weapons. High level magic builds will definitely use crystal magic weapon since they'll likely have a stat-scaled +15 equipped. Don't ignore the dexterity synergy on spellcasting. (I like how that vid rips off the contents of this more informative one but it's on nico so no one will ever know.) |
Can you not buy gold pine resin from that goofy guy in the depths?
I guess maybe he doesn't sell it after he moves? |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 6:26 am |
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| Well - my friend and I's shield/spear wall tactic worked insanely well. People didn't really have any idea how to approach us. If any wise guys pulled out pyromancy we just rushed them down with the spears run attack - which is a fucking insane sprint-jab. We played for a really long time without much need to heal or any deaths. I finally died right about when I was ready to quit anyways to a one shot spell when I wasn't being very careful. Anyways we had fun with it. We played "guard the treasure". Just dropped a ton of shit in that room where the cat covenant dude is and walled it up. Some people were so excited about our worthless treasure they didn't even mind losing so long as they could get their hands on it. Also - gesturing at us was met with a sprint attack that was always effective. Oh speaking of the sprint attack - my friend did die ONCE when he sprinted himself right off a cliff. The dude we were against was counting on it. Also, we pressured one guy into falling off a cliff by just surrounding him with our shields up. The pike's reach is so insane. It was pretty easy for us to jab at dudes and get shots off on wakeup from a backstab. IDK I'm sure if we went to Anor Londo or something we'd get our asses handed to us. But man - we had some god damn fun. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:25 pm |
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| Swimmy wrote: |
You can warp to a bonfire that has a killed fire keeper, but you cannot warp away from one, because you can't sit at the bonfire.
Kinto I think it's just a bug, sorry! Every time I've died to Gwyndolin I ended up right outside his room, as long as I rested there. Warping to a bonfire doesn't count as resting there. |
Important: You must light the bonfire first. Something I've forgotten to do at the all-to-convenient spider lady covenant flame more than a couple times. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:29 pm |
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We must guard. The amazing treasure. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:40 pm |
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| Kinto wrote: |
| Sigh, 4 kings+ is really trying my patience. I got SO CLOSE once and then haven't gotten near that since. Maybe I better level up, is 70 too low for this? |
No. Not at all. Your level isn't as important as how you use your stats. Do you have a good maxed weapon of some kind? Because you prob should. Then you gotta stay on em. Rush straight to the first one you see. Like someone else in this thread said, their close range attacks are negligible. It's the long range ones that hurt. Just stay on them and beat them up before another one has a chance to spawn. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:52 pm |
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| Kinto wrote: |
Yeah I know, I've been doing that, I beat them in NG a few pages back (NG+ now). I have a maxed out lightning claymore. I'm doing 1-hand swings because I get this weird feeling it racks up damage faster, does more damage per stamina and swings faster, but I'd like to know for sure. I'm wearing Elite Knight +9, Grass Crest+10 and Cloranthy ring.
Sometimes when I'm right up close they'll still hit me as if I'm far away, wiping me out. The grab move is fucking annoying cause it wastes so much time and seems almost impossible to get away from. |
Oh I missed that part. (about you being in NG+) |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:54 pm |
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| Youpi wrote: |
So these are the stats of the 4th biggest badass on xbox live, with over 400 victories
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BADASS! HE MUST B A RLY GOOD PLAYR |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:17 am |
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| all monsters wrote: |
| I'm liking the claymore two hand r1 attack at the moment, two handed r2 is pretty slow though |
Ughhh I got in the infinite combo last night. Infuriating. I wanted to play a videogame but okay. I'm even using a sort of weak weapon. It's just more fun to play when it takes 2-3 backstabs at least to kill/be killed and when you can't win if you just manage to hit someone once. I mean my whole build on this new dude sort of sucks, but it's been the most fun I've had in pvp because it actually feels like an amount of competitive fun. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:03 pm |
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| Just found out the server upgrades like a normal weapon. Probably going to start a build focused on using the server soon (even though it's main selling point, the lifeleech, isn't really worth it). |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 10:28 pm |
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| Kinto wrote: |
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| That's the sort of thing that makes me much more excited about the next episodes than any possible Dark Souls-related development (1.06, DLC, PC). The engine is always so committed to doing the right thing instead of providing a reasonable illusion. There are so many things they could do, but decided just not to explore in this episode. |
I'm kind of worried that I'm gonna know too much for the next Souls game to completely mystify me like this one did.
For the people that played Demon's before Dark, how much did the former prepare you for the latter? |
I could breeze through Demon's in a day before i played Dark Souls. My Dark Souls progress was slow in my first playthrough. It may have a lot of the same stuff going on but you still have to learn what's what and what's where and there were a ton of all new mechanics to discover and learn to manage. I don't feel like knowing Demon's Souls thoroughly affected my Dark Souls playthrough at all. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:37 pm |
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Started and completed a new PVP dude yesterday while laying in bed fucked up on nyquil.
Originally it was going to be a server build, but the lifeleech is so minor it just didn't end up being worth it. It's like 7hp per hit on a slow/powerful weapon and it doesn't get better with upgrading or anything.
I was going to concept the character as a vampire. Anyways now it looks more like a Hun. I'm using Murakumo instead. Armor of thorns hand and feet. Channeler's robe or whatever for the body (and my build is set to large upper body) with the royal helm. Everything is max upgraded except the royal helm is only +9 because I used to titanite slab making lightning server. Oh and spiked shield. ANd my murakumo is chaos+5. I'm in darkwraith. This has been my most successful playthrough. Probably because I did it all offline and also I rushed for gravelord since it has the same req as server. Oh and I took dayquil today and I feel more fucked up than I did on nyquil. Jesus christ. unghhhhh
Anyways I totally love my dude and I hope I can get him (her actually) online soon. My soul level is like 62 or something. I had to kill sif so I guess dungeoman and I will have to anor londo pvp and 62 is probably kind of low for that. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:19 am |
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| TXTSWORD wrote: |
Started and completed a new PVP dude yesterday while laying in bed fucked up on nyquil.
Originally it was going to be a server build, but the lifeleech is so minor it just didn't end up being worth it. It's like 7hp per hit on a slow/powerful weapon and it doesn't get better with upgrading or anything.
I was going to concept the character as a vampire. Anyways now it looks more like a Hun. I'm using Murakumo instead. Armor of thorns hand and feet. Channeler's robe or whatever for the body (and my build is set to large upper body) with the royal helm. Everything is max upgraded except the royal helm is only +9 because I used to titanite slab making lightning server. Oh and spiked shield. ANd my murakumo is chaos+5. I'm in darkwraith. This has been my most successful playthrough. Probably because I did it all offline and also I rushed for gravelord since it has the same req as server. Oh and I took dayquil today and I feel more fucked up than I did on nyquil. Jesus christ. unghhhhh
Anyways I totally love my dude and I hope I can get him (her actually) online soon. My soul level is like 62 or something. I had to kill sif so I guess dungeoman and I will have to anor londo pvp and 62 is probably kind of low for that. |
I accidentally OD'd on cough meds a little bit and passed out and went to the E.R. shortly after this post. Whoops.
I moved my PS3 into my room from another room and I can't - for the life of me - figure out how I had internet working on it. It's an older model so I had like.. what looks like 2 wireless adapters. Though it looks like that eventually just got circumvented as there was eventually an ethernet thingy in that room idk. Man I wanna get this baby onliiinneee! |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:32 am |
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| Felix wrote: |
| So, really, if I finished Demon's at level 71, I can expect to get at least as high in Dark? That surprises me, only because I've been led to believe that the lack of STR scaling and Pyromancy's being a very effective copout for boosting INT means that my well-balanced Wanderer from last time around has no place here, and I can get away with only leveling four or five stats. |
I dunno if you went into Dark Souls blind you might come out with a level 100 something dude your first playthrough, and then in subsequent playthroughs you might just level to around 60 and be done with it like me. Of course, that all depends on the build you want to make. If you INSIST on using a shitty area heal spell with like 2 uses because you want to make a cool healer dude to coop pvp with (don't do this) you'll find yourself overjoyed at all the stats you have to pour just to meet the 48 faith req, 2 attunement slots just for that one miracle (you'll probably want more slots if you want a real character) and then somehow build a working character around that garbage. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:22 pm |
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| thestage wrote: |
| well, rejoining the forest covenant is more or less out of the question (killed Shiva and Flippy Ninja for Flippy Ninja Ring), so I would have to be invaded. |
You could always red phantom invade the forest and get in on that hot hot pvp.
I actually red phantomed a guy and ended up teaming up with him against the blue phantoms :) |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 11:15 pm |
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| thestage wrote: |
| remote wrote: |
| You can still drop your sign for a summon to aid someone in pvp. This is a lot of fun if your host is continually invaded and you end up with some 2v2s. |
hmmm. as in drop the white stone sign? where's the generally agreed upon place to do that? |
Just after the stairs where the crest of artorias door is. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:31 am |
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| For anyone wondering, Symbol of Avarice doesn't stack with covetous gold serpent ring. 10 humanity + covetous = 410 item discovery. You don't get more with symbol of avarice :( |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:33 pm |
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| You get humanity from every fallen red phantom invader, or from killing the host as a red phantom invader. Otherwise IDK. I take every opportunity to dark hand grapple an AFK opponent and sometimes get a shitload of humanity. |
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