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Mr. Apol
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| thestage wrote: |
| so the black knight archers in andor londo sure do like to steal all of my souls over and over |
there are ways to make yourself silent and invisible, both fairly easy to obtain, that make this section much more bearable.
also, if you have the miracle "force", notice that it can deflect arrows. didn't even realize this until my third playthrough.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:30 am |
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| If you're attacking them at all, you're probably doing it the hard way. Grab your eagle shield and let them commit suiicie! |
see, I tried this, and I was the one that ended up off the edge :(
I'm sure I'll find the right spot eventually |
They're probably looked down upon by a lot of players, but poison arrows got me through this and a few other places. |
this is a valid strategy for that part.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:35 am |
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| Swimmy wrote: |
| I would buy this a second time for the PC. Full price. |
same here
and i've got a mac!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 7:53 am |
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since the souls you can get from feeding items to frampt is pretty small, a better use for them would be dropping them in various parts of the world as you travel. dropped items sometimes spawn vagrants, a really neat and rare enemy, in other people's worlds. they aren't much of a threat but are neat to see. there's no real benefit to you for doing this, other than to make someone else's day.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:10 am |
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| all monsters wrote: |
| so that's what those guys are! I just ran into one on the bridge right before the first archers in anor londo, but fell off in the confusion :( |
ahhh i'm so jealous! i have yet to see one.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 8:12 am |
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well apparently internet scuttlebutt is that they don't form from dropped items but from players dropping a large amount of souls/humanity and not picking it back up. sort of like a bones pile in nethack.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 3:05 am |
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| I don't think I have ever noticed heavy armor kiting more enemies than usual. I guess maybe it would be a problem in the Darkroot Garden, with the stone statues or the dozens of bushmen in the other part. Everywhere else, the fights seem more or less mandatory or optional regardless. I guess maybe also the New Londo Ruins could give you some trouble, but those ghosts have insane aggro range anyway, I rarely sneak past them in light armor. |
it really doesn't make that much of a difference. usually only important if you're trying to backstab someone.
beat the hydra in darkroot with my new caster character today! woo doing 21 damage a hit. took quite a while. worth it for the chance to get dusk's crown and catalyst early though. capra went down after three heavy soul arrows lol.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:53 am |
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| Oh God Spiders No wrote: |
Spent a bunch of time in the Demon's Ruins and got all the treasure there. I'm pretty sure I was crazy under-leveled but it was really fun. Now I have these neat embers but nowhere to use them.
Then, I lost about 40,000 souls in Sen's Fortress. Woohoo! Dark Souls!
So, do the faceless demon's get progressively stronger the more of them you kill? Or are they all just randomly different strength levels? |
they are of varying difficulties. the one under andre is the weakest, while the one in lost izalith is the strongest.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:22 am |
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why do you guys have so much trouble with seath? i've never had a problem killing him. how is he killing you guys? i was under the impression he was fairly harmless!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:29 am |
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I was trying to run behind him and he cursed and killed me with his field of ice shards. it was my first attempt at him though, I should have hang back and watched him for longer
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I was raving about Dark Souls to my friend the other day and when I was done there was a pause and he said, "So, uh, have you heard about this new Zelda game? News is that it's like, the best one yet."
Dude, Dark Souls is the best Zelda game yet. You think I can go back to eating that trash after what I've tasted? |
this happened to me a few days ago. I'm about ready to give up talking about dark souls to friends, I've just got no idea how to sell it |
wear the cursebite ring!
alternatively curse resistant armor (there's plenty of choices) or the bloodshield!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:34 am |
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Thanks again, guys.
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| Run around in Hollow/Undead form. You can "carry" all the humanity you want and get much of the bonuses. |
This is how I always play, I only change to human when I need help fighting a boss or to kindle a bonfire, and since I seldom summon anyone successfully it's just a matter of time until I'm invaded and killed (my survival rate in pvp manages to be even worse than my success rate in hosting a co-op session).
Do I miss anything important by being hollow virtually all the time apart from not being able to summon and not being invaded by NPC phantoms like Leeroy and Mildred? |
my first few playthroughs were mostly in hollow form but my latest one is spent in human as much as possible. it creates a lot more tension!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:36 am |
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pretty much!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:17 am |
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| You're missing out. |
But... but... I'm a Chaos Servant, if I eat all the humanity, who will feed the horrible spider demigod Fair Lady?
Seriously though, I have a rather nasty death count so I don't think my fun will last long if I try to stay human at all times but I'll definitely consider it from now on. |
listen 2 this music while u play 2 make u better
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:41 am |
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| Apol did you watch that Spellfist pvp video I linked on page 77? You would love that shit. |
i just did! man that rules hard. i've been wanting to do a fist pvp build for a while. wondering if a lightning cestus +5 would be better than the dragon bone fist but goddamn that uppercut rules. i would go with a faith build and sunlight sword though.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:55 am |
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| That does sound cool, though I wonder if the combination of the Crown of Dusk and Tin Crystallization Catalyst with Crystal Magic Weapon would make for better damage. |
well i'd be going for "cool" over damage, but yeah that combo would probably do more.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:42 am |
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Wait, if he shatters his own crystal he's invincible until you're dead?
Don't bother with that, just do what I said above and wait for him to attack (after you've broken the crystal), then run around to get in a few swings.
It's not such a big deal. |
no, no, that was just worded awkwardly. toll meant that seath can shatter his own crystal, the very same crystal that makes him invincible. if he does this he is stunned for a bit.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:31 am |
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Cool, working on it.
Came across a real dickass tactic in Anor Londo. Invaded a guy, he's waiting in the bonfire room that had Solaire in it with the door closed. As soon as I open it and run in I get spammed with Wrath of God or Emit Force or something, each hit takes away like 90% of my life. The next time he had a friend who did the exact same thing, I couldn't do anything to counter. Lame. |
patience my boy
he's got to come out sometime
why don't you run to the room with the titanite demon and have a little chat with him while you wait
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:31 am |
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or hell pretend to be a vase or something!
you got to be smart kinto!!!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:14 am |
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hey guys i bought a ps3 so pm ur psn names. i only have dark souls so only dark soulians may apply.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:31 am |
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For the record, the Silver Knight Straight Sword wasn't enchantable at release, that changed in a patch.
I have both an Iaito +15 and an SKSS +5 on my dex char, and I have absolutely no idea how anyone could prefer the latter. Like, at all. The arcs on the attacks suck and are relatively slow, and the damage is pretty lousy when you look at the time involved rather than just the individual hits. It has low ability to stun the opponent to go along with that, too. Plus the lack of bleed means you won't be quickly obliterating some of the more annoying enemies of the game, like the harpies and lizardmen.
The only real advantage is that it's easy to upgrade. It's still just not a very good weapon.
Though, to be fair, I have a serious hate-on for the straight sword move set in this game in general. It's just not very good and seems to have very little over other weapon classes. |
that said, if you're a mage that just happens to need a nice weapon for CMW, silver knight sword isn't a bad choice. my sorc w/ 50 INT gets 650 AR on the SKSS, and that's not shabby at all, and nice to use against fast opponents that i have trouble hitting with the moonlight sword. it doesn't out damage the moonlight sword though, as that damage is 100% magical (and not a lot of stuff has great magic resist outside of the archives, and pretty much no players do) while a CMW's damage gets mitigated by physical defense. |
hey l@@k at velka's rapier you might like it
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:31 am |
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guys there are plenty of armors that are better than havel's when fully upgraded - giant's armor and paladin's armor, for example.
i like the flip ring :( mostly just because it lets me move at 25% speed up to 50%.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:45 am |
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Yeah, those armors are much better. I was kind of joking about Havel's because, well, you still see people wearing it (yes, even with the ninja ring).
And yeah, again, the speed boost is way more important than the change to the roll. |
yeah, the speed boost is the whole reason i get it. i like getting places quickly!
my sweet spot is being able to wear decent armor with the ring of favor and the ninja ring. right now i'm running around with the dusk crown, ornstein's gauntlets and leggings and a +5 silver knight armor. mostly chose the silver knight armor because it looks awesome with the dusk crown. INT build is fun so far! upgraded an uchigatana to +4 lightning before i had a change of heart and decided to finally try out the magic/enchanted line. farming for blue titantie chunks is boring, but i've got it to +3 and it deals pretty decent damage. as much as a +5 queelag's fury sword with 10 humanity. level is 52 and INT is 36 right now so i can use soul spear, but i plan on raising it even higher.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:10 am |
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yeah i might end up going black knight armor later, but silver looks so cool. i love the little cape.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:11 am |
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oh remote! i meant to ask you: is crystal soul spear or the white dragon breath worth pumping INT up to 50 for? from everything i've seen homing crystal soulmass is the most damaging sorcery in the game, and at 36 INT i've got more than enough to use it.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:30 am |
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hrm! well, you've sold me on crystal soul spear at least. even so, more INT will only help the stat scaling on my enchanted uchigatana (and the moonlight greatsword, if i decide to use that too).
speaking of ganging up on people, i cooped with some random guy in the forest and he would hide in chameleon form and surprise attack invaders. i felt sort of guilty about it, but it was too funny for me to really care. no indictments though :(
we got invaded by the same guy twice and the second time my bro just hung back and i took care of business myself.
bro eventually got taken out by a lightning weapon, mask of the father wearing guy. after defeating my helper, the guy retreated and used a humanity and waited for me to use estus to heal up so we could have an actual fair, 1v1 fight. that was pretty cool of him. shit got real but i ended up besting him by a tiny margin, had almost no health left. intense stuff!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:18 am |
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Well, there are a number of factors to consider when talking about poise. Personally, I'm comfortable with having around 90 (on higher level characters that can equip a full heavy set like the Giant Armor), which allows you to take one swing from a heavy weapon before being staggered. I take this as a free pass to get in a swing myself (if my weapon is quick enough, and especially if it will counter their attempt to stagger me by starting a chain of my own) or simply roll away. Of course, rolling away and being agile is pretty important to me — I'm not planning on just walking up to someone with 150 poise and mashing away. There's nothing really wrong with that approach, I just don't personally enjoy it very much. My level 50 wanderer in Silver Knight armor only has 47 poise, but with the DWG ring she's so nimble that I can control the pace and movement of a 1v1 fight more easily and I simply don't try to stand there swinging or casting if I know I'm about to take a heavy hit.
Anyway, yeah. You're right, Havel's is still best for poise — I just don't see it as a very interesting main armor stat for pvp. Just me?
By the way, Apol, if you're using the DWG ring for your sorcerer, might I suggest switching that out for the Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring? I'm sure you'll be pleased. |
:) ahead of you there. i sort of switch the bellowing dragoncrest with the DWG as the situation demands. good call on the crystal soul spear too, with the bellowing dragoncrest, dusk crown, and crystallization catalyst i'm able to do upwards of 1400 damage with a single spear.
character's in the 70s now. only thing left to do is bed of chaos. fully completed the solaire storyline this time, farewell my humanity. going to attempt to complete the seigmeyer story now!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:26 am |
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txtsword stop robotripping ok
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:39 am |
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lol that spell is so fucking dumb
the area regen spell could be useful but the faith requirements
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:20 am |
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| Fuck yeah gators, I had a fight like that the other night. Been thinking about gearing my character to fit being a slippery one-hit-wonder. I started with making a lightning Ricard's Rapier but I was pretty disappointed with Claymore backstabs still being stronger. Any recommendations? |
hornet ring + bandit dagger!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:25 am |
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man so glad i got this on ps3 now, i have much better success invading and playing other people. had a lot of matches in the kiln last night, having a homing crystal soulmass that can one shot people is pretty awesome. i kept fighting the same dragon covenant guy over and over again. after beating him soundly four times i decided to ignore his sign, figured i might be getting on his nerves. not sure what the etiquette is for that sort of situation.
tried my hand at invading but i kept running into the same two douchebags farming the kiln for invaders. as soon as i would spawn they would surround me and beat me to pulp. the host would then always drop a prism stone on the spot i had died. one time i tried to run from them but got soul speared in the back.
giving up on the kiln, i found out that the undead burg, specifically the section near the undead merchant and the first bonfire is a hotbed of pvp activity. i had tons of great matches there. one fun experience involved invading this one royal helm wearing girl, losing to her by the slimmest margin, invading again and ending up in a world where she had already invaded as a spirit of vengeance. i stood on the perch where the crossbow soldier is and watched them fight. she ended up winning and turned to look at me before we faded. i waved.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:41 am |
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Yesterday spec and I were victimized by a forest clan ninja in Shadow gear and the Fog Ring. This was our second encounter with him; the first time we spotted him and I rushed him to take him out. When he invaded us again, he caught us preoccupied with someone else, then ran up and backstabbed us both before we could even react. The other phantom fell to her knees in prostration. Ouch.
Kinda made me want to make such a character... I don't know whether I'd use the Fog and DWG rings, or Fog and Hornet. Hm! |
well if you're in light enough armor the DWG might be moot. i'd say fog and hornet with enough INT to use chameleon.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:36 am |
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i know priscilla's dagger looks tempting, the 500 bleed and A dex scaling look good, but i promise you a fully upgraded bandit's dagger is a better choice. the bandit's dagger has B scaling in dex but the main point making it better than priscilla's is its 147 critical bonus vs priscilla's 100. plus, even fully upgraded priscilla's dagger is pretty weak, base damage on a fully upgraded bandit's dagger is twice that. with a lightning bandit's dagger +5 and a hornet ring on you can easily get upwards of 1300 damage on a backstab, even more if you parry. even at level 70 or so that should still one-shot plenty of people.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:37 am |
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also you get that cool alternate backstab/riposte animation :D
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Mr. Apol
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| Youpi wrote: |
Hey Kinto I was looking through the gamertag/psn/steam names thread, and seeing yours I'm pretty sure we met in-game once! Probably in the Painted World with me as a summon. (My GT is MrYoupi)
Anyway, I think I will defect to the PS3 too. Amazon got it for €30 now. |
having played both versions extensively you're making a good choice. there are tons more people playing on ps3 and i'm never without people to summon or fight against.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 6:57 am |
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| Oh God Spiders No wrote: |
| Where should level 80 characters go to find multiplayer? |
the undead burg!! you'll need to be darkwraith or darkmoon though, suppose dragon covenant would also work.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:54 am |
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| remote wrote: |
you can also go the the forest at pretty much any level.
man, i have had some fun leveling my new forest hunter tonight. got invaded by cheesy jerks a few times. the first one and i (in the depths) circled each other for a while, even after i got a backstab in (and he used a humanity to heal), but i knew it was hopeless. he'd back off and walk slowly toward me, like he was trying to intimidate me or something. it was highly unlikely i'd be able to finish the guy off on my own as i was and he knew it. i took this opportunity to summon someone in beatrice's equipment, and as soon she she spawned in he freaked out and rolled against a wall while she combusted him to death. we went and killed the gaping dragon after exchanging shrugs. later, in blighttown, an invader used the chameleon spell and proceeded to drop a bunch of stuff for me, including a dark hand, a flame longsword +2, and various moss. he then slid right over the edge of a bridge, still in the form of a jar, to his death. thanks, generous invader! that sword helped me out. |
this is the best story.
i've thought about dropping titanite catch poles for people since i've gotten like four this run!
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 9:41 pm |
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made a new character to play with a VIT/END/STR type build with no magic, since i've never done that before. wearing full havel's with a tower shield, wolf ring, and lightning zweihander. 161 poise almost feels like cheating.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:51 am |
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| remote wrote: |
| I really wish Ornstein's set could be upgraded. Ever since realizing the Silver Knight is about the same weight and much better when fully upgraded I haven't really felt like going back, but I wore that chest on my warrior and my cleric for the longest time — it's one of the best looking pieces in the game. |
it does look incredibly slick but i've sort of grown to like the silver knight set. i love that little cape.
i saw you on earlier! what level are you and spec co-oping at? i'll be free tomorrow night and would love to get in on some hot forest pvp action.
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Mr. Apol
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:32 am |
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hey guys, I'm gonna slowly make my way through this 85-page thread, so my question might already be answered somewhere, but in case it isn't here it is:
at the bonfire in the Undead Parish with the statue right next to it, and another big broken statue just outside a door (with a bunch of supplicating hollows around it), every once in a while a weird monster will appear at the big broken statue that looks like a pink egg with blue tendrils growing out of the top, and screwed-up normal mapping. It shoots arrows, it's pretty easy to kill, and every time (so far twice) that I kill it it's dropped humanity. So, my question is, is this some kind of weird bug, or is it supposed to be there?
In other news, I thought not having a pause option was cute at first, but now it's getting annoying. I thought that resting at a bonfire was the next best thing, so I did that when I had to run off to start some laundry today, but apparently I got invaded and killed while I was sitting at the fire. I guess quitting is the only way to "pause" in this game? |
that's a vagrant, they're very rare! i've done about six playthroughs of the game and i still haven't seen one!
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Mr. Apol
king of zembla
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: a curiously familiar pit
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:34 am |
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Level 50! At least that's my wanderer's current level, though I'm thinking I'll go up to 60 or 70 with my forest hunter. Actually wondering if I should start over with her, though, since I pumped dexterity pretty high and I don't know if that will be useful unless I make my bandit knife +15 and keep leveling (and put a few points in strength for the Avelyn)...
I've also got my moon magic spellsword dude at SL 110 and I want to go through a NG+ with him pretty soon. Will probably pause for some duels at the Kiln. |
the guy i made last night to coop with diplo and adi is 58, straight up sword and greatshield heavy armor wearing slugger, could maybe get on with you or spec with that guy. my spellsword guy is in the 90s and at the kiln, perhaps we can do some pvp there together, depending on how long you hang around.
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Mr. Apol
king of zembla
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Location: a curiously familiar pit
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| Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:49 am |
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just an idea guys, but i'd love to get some red soapstone pvp action going on with my sbros. there's a cool arena type area in sen's that i never knew about before that would be perfect for it. we should do some sweet 2v2 action. it could be a nightmare to coordinate but maybe!
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