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DJ
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:19 am        Reply with quote

I got summoned twice to help people kill the Capra Demon successfully. I managed to summon someone myself for my first real attempt, but I foolishly got destroyed by the dogs right away and my summoned companion was banished. Wound up humping it back there and killing him solo.

Killing the dogs first is pretty important.

Also, go up the stairs at the back-left of the room and push right at the top until you're on a very narrow outcropping. Capra Demon can't follow/hit you when you're up there, so it's handy for luring the dogs to attack you one by one.

Note that he CAN go up the stairs themselves, so don't just perch on the top of the stairs thinking you're safe.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:27 am        Reply with quote

so the interwebs are telling me I'm missing some entire "lower" section of the undead burg or some shit. I guess I need to find that so I can attack things that I can actually kill
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:03 am        Reply with quote

analogos wrote:
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I'm watching my roommate play and there is very clearly an aiming bug with soul arrow. It completely aims the wrong way quite often. Is this a known bug that is getting patched soon? I think he's more annoyed with the game than I am and he loved the first one.


i've had little to no trouble with soul arrows. is...he trying to use it without lock-on? don't ever do this.

No. Definite lock on, zero obstacles in the way, completely clear shot, opponent is not even that far away: arrow goes 45 degrees the wrong way.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:18 am        Reply with quote

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man, I need a weapon. the only area with things I can even hurt is the ghost area.

Don't know if you've already done this, but upgrade whatever you're using to +5 at the blacksmith. He sells the Titanite Shards for 800 souls a pop. Yes, it is much more important to spend souls leveling your weapon than leveling your character.

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Yeah, I mean, I obviously understand the mechanics. I'm just not getting summoned very often at all.


I think this has to do with the fact that, until fairly later in the game (or during New Game+), not a lot of people are running around in human form. Or at least, if they are it's not for very long and they're more concerned with being safe than with summoning other people.

I think a LOT of it has to do with the fact that there's no intrinsic benefit any more to being human. In Demon's you had half your lifebar, which means people actively wanted to be in human form and would work to get and keep it. In Dark, the only benefit is that you can summon people, which if you aren't that into it (or have tried it and can't find many signs), there's no reason not to stay Hollow. Only reason I ever go human is if I find a bonfire I want to kindle. And I have to find 2 humanity first.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:22 am        Reply with quote

Anor Londo is the most tediously boring shit, which is a bummer because it's a really beautiful area.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:29 am        Reply with quote

It's thrilling and terrifying exploring new territory in this game. I find myself racking up a lot of souls as I go, whilst hesitating to go back and cash them at the bonfire and reset all the enemies...I'm always holding out for that next bonfire...and stressing about each new class baddie I cross paths with.

This time, my fetish for forward momentum got the best of me. Started with trying to find the bonfire in Blight Town, ended up going deep down the Great Hollow. I assumed those bug-eyed bastards only poisoned and dropped a solid 400 souls, but goddammit, they cursed me!

I THINK I remember the covenant guy in the 1st bell tower having a cure for curses. If I am wrong about this or anyone has a better solution, I'm all ears. Otherwise, time to begin the long trudge back -__-
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:30 am        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
there's no intrinsic benefit any more to being human


Actually there is.

It's just not obvious until way later. It's also not terribly important in that it won't really hinder you to spend the entire game undead. But, someone who spends more time human than not is going to see and get some different stuff. There's other less-immediate benefits, too. Ever notice some NPCs treat you differently? That matters later.

Think playing Demon's without ever seeing full white/black tendency worlds. You can, and in fact probably will, but there's some stuff you'll never see.

(Nevermind that being human is necessary for PvP, but that's a whole other thing)

It's just another layer of obfuscation the game's got plastered in there.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:38 am        Reply with quote

Riff Rex wrote:
I THINK I remember the covenant guy in the 1st bell tower having a cure for curses. If I am wrong about this or anyone has a better solution, I'm all ears. Otherwise, time to begin the long trudge back -__-


Yeah, he does. 3000 souls each. I actually stocked up on a bunch when I was up there just to save myself the headache later. That pit in the sewers is quickly becoming the game's biggest "gotcha bitch!" moment if the internet is to be believed. It dumps you way the hell down into a new area which totally disorients you, and then immediately besieges you with enemies who can inflict a nasty, semi-permanent curse. It's actually gotten some people to stop playing the game, apparently.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:57 am        Reply with quote

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Anor Londo is the most tediously boring shit, which is a bummer because it's a really beautiful area.

You're telling me, the area with dragonslayer snipers halted me for a good half hour.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:58 am        Reply with quote

Yeah, my roommate is threatening to never play again after his second curse.

Capra Demon is pretty demoralizing in how whether you even get a chance is all decided in those first six seconds. I almost killed him once, and then on my subsequent three tries got killed before I even figured out where the dogs were. I'll try again in the morning.

Was loving my Drake Sword's insane superpower (R2 when double-handed), and then realized it took down 1/12 of its durability each time I used that. Helped me through that miniboss near the blacksmith, though.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:18 am        Reply with quote

I finally realized earlier today that I should stop asking questions in this thread because the game almost always ends up answering them not long after.

Making some progress in Blighttown. Finally got enough dexterity to wield the black knight's halberd, too.

Been looking a bit like this:



Since I found the shadow armor and spider shield, though, I think I might switch to this for faster rolls:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:32 am        Reply with quote

How do people play with the heavy armor and slow rolls? I only keep under 50% for the medium speed, but that roll is such a vital part of my playstyle.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:38 am        Reply with quote

I've been getting by just fine with medium speed rolls, myself. The chest piece you see there is really the only heavy armor I have on.

That ninja mask is making me feel like Ryu Hayabusa vs. Demons circa 1990.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:57 am        Reply with quote

did... did i just get Solaire and Lautrec killed?

if only i'd been a little faster killing that dragon
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:58 am        Reply with quote

Don't worry, the same thing happened to me. They'll be around.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:01 am        Reply with quote

i dunno remote, i went back to Firelink and couldn't find them

i guess i have the bottomless box now though, that frees my inventory up a bit

i think i'll learn some pyromancy and take on that black knight in the burg

the sewers are seriously something else
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:02 am        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
thestage wrote:
man, I need a weapon. the only area with things I can even hurt is the ghost area.

Don't know if you've already done this, but upgrade whatever you're using to +5 at the blacksmith. He sells the Titanite Shards for 800 souls a pop. Yes, it is much more important to spend souls leveling your weapon than leveling your character.


Decided to just cheat by getting the Drake Sword :(

so the capra demon sure is a bit of bullshit. I wish I could say I learned something over the ten times he killed me, but it's kind of hard to learn something in the three seconds you get between entering the fog and being completely fucking mauled to death.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:04 am        Reply with quote

that same thing kept happening to me stage, going in with a phantom definitely helps though

i do agree that they could've set up the arena for that a bit better
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:14 am        Reply with quote

For anyone having Capra Demon problems, this is actually a pretty good strategy:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:20 am        Reply with quote

I had a long battle with Gaping Dragon last night, and a really tense fight with Capra Demon as well. If you're having trouble with Capra Demon, might I suggest using the stairway to your advantage. The dogs will stay hot on your heels and if you're quick enough you can take at least one of them out each time you do it while Capra is trying to make his way up to you. Once they're dead the stairway is still useful, as Capra really is relentless in his attacks and it's more than likely you'll need to break off of combat to catch your breath or take a swig of estus. As for openings for attack, I faced him with a Longsword +2, and the best opportunities I could see were when he's recovering from either falling off the stairs or after his double-overhead slam, both of which give you just enough time for one or two heavy attacks.

I'll either be heading into Blighttown, or having a go at that mini-boss near the blacksmith in the parish next time I play. This game is just getting better and better.

edit: DJ! DDDDD:
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:25 am        Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:59 am        Reply with quote

God dang it DJ why didn't you tell me that being alive = getting b/w tendency earlier! Time to restart... Actually... please go ahead and explain these rules to me. Okay no I'll finish this playthrough the way it's going and then when I go around a second time I'm gunna do everything perfect. I don't want to know right now I don't need another little detail nagging at me saying "you fucked up just start over". BUT WHEN I START AGAIN DJ YOU BETTER BE READY TO TALK!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:43 am        Reply with quote

thestage wrote:
CubaLibre wrote:
thestage wrote:
man, I need a weapon. the only area with things I can even hurt is the ghost area.

Don't know if you've already done this, but upgrade whatever you're using to +5 at the blacksmith. He sells the Titanite Shards for 800 souls a pop. Yes, it is much more important to spend souls leveling your weapon than leveling your character.


Decided to just cheat by getting the Drake Sword :(

so the capra demon sure is a bit of bullshit. I wish I could say I learned something over the ten times he killed me, but it's kind of hard to learn something in the three seconds you get between entering the fog and being completely fucking mauled to death.

What you should have learned is: get a shield. And stamina.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:10 am        Reply with quote

What kind of shield is the IGN guy using so that the Capra Demon's attacks don't immediately knock him down, take down his entire endurance bar and half his health bar? I did it with a shield I got in the Valley of Drakes and pretty much gave up on blocking after the first attack. Also I'm pretty sure I was in my upper 20s when I fought the Capra Demon too, so that's definitely not it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:06 pm        Reply with quote

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so the interwebs are telling me I'm missing some entire "lower" section of the undead burg or some shit. I guess I need to find that so I can attack things that I can actually kill


Yeah I think I'm exploratorily challenged in much the same way because I'll be screwed if I can find this mythical lower level bridge that allows you to bypass the dragon, unless every single person here is playing a thief and it's simply through one of all these locked doors.

The fat red bastard has chosen to set up shop on the far side of the bridge too. I can just about survive a dousing in flame but not while dealing with any of the guys on the bridge so I'm thinking what I need to do is goad the dragon into killing them, scamper to safety, grip 'n' sip on that Estus and then just charge at him hoping his recovery time after he inevitably hits me is longer than it takes me to cross. And also that there aren't dudes waiting for me on the other side.

Preliminary attempts have ended with me getting arrowed in the back upon initial cajoling of dragon, proceeding to step up my zig efforts.

Edit: success! there's a little stairway down next to where the dudes are.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:24 pm        Reply with quote

TXTSWORD wrote:
Time to restart...!


Don't restart!

Also, just to be clear, this isn't insider information on my part -- Japan had this game clocked within days of release, so the information on how pretty much everything works is out there and is being distilled into English. Thing is, to get this information you usually have to just stumble around through extremely spoiler-rich pages and even if you find what you want, it's usually too much info (i.e. all of it instead of some breadcrumbs).

I figure, the game's already spoiled for me as far as that goes, so I can read these pages and take from them just enough information to leave here without ruining it for everyone.

However, if you're really stuck on something or really want to know how something works, the Truth Is Out There.

Anyway: Don't restart. New Game+, yo.

And here's a series of hints I will put behind spoiler text as one of the things that's possible if you are human at key points in the story:

Okay, so you know how in Demon's, full white or full black tendency would change enemy placement and at full white/black would unlock special boss fights that were actually necessary to advance the plot, as it were?

Well, it doesn't affect enemy placement in Dark. What it does do is more subtle:

Your stats are altered slightly. Drops will be more frequent (this also increases if you're carrying around more humanity) so if you're trying to get a specific item off of an enemy, it behooves you to be human and to have a lot of humanity. The risk vs. reward thing this series is so well known for.

NPCs will react to you slightly differently, which has a few ramifications, but here's a big one: You can only summon the sun knight if you're human. Right now it's common knowledge on here that you can summon him for 2 fights: Belltower Gargoyles and Gaping Dragon. Suffice to say, there's a lot more you can do with him, and it has a lot more ramifications than just him helping you out at some fights.

Also, joining the covenants often requires a lot of juggling of humanity/humanness.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:28 pm        Reply with quote

Flylighter wrote:
Hey let me ask, after you beat the boss does it automatically boot you into NG+ like Demon's Souls, or can you screw around for awhile? I'm fast approaching the end I believe, and I wanna do a little PvP first.


I don't think so. There's something you do after you beat the boss to initiate the ending, but I didn't try leaving before doing it.


edit: Gonna post some other NG+ information:

You have to do the tutorial again, and you can't level up at the tutorial bonfires, so there's still the really tense run-around-with-all-of-the-last-boss's-soul moment.

It looks like it is just a straight +damage +hp bonus to enemies. I don't think it's a huge bonus though, since I was still able to kill the tutorial boss really quick.

Also looks like all the bonfires you've kindled stay kindled.

Fire Keeper Souls respawn


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:40 pm        Reply with quote

DJ wrote:
TXTSWORD wrote:
Time to restart...!


Don't restart!

Also, just to be clear, this isn't insider information on my part -- Japan had this game clocked within days of release, so the information on how pretty much everything works is out there and is being distilled into English. Thing is, to get this information you usually have to just stumble around through extremely spoiler-rich pages and even if you find what you want, it's usually too much info (i.e. all of it instead of some breadcrumbs).

I figure, the game's already spoiled for me as far as that goes, so I can read these pages and take from them just enough information to leave here without ruining it for everyone.

However, if you're really stuck on something or really want to know how something works, the Truth Is Out There.

Anyway: Don't restart. New Game+, yo.

And here's a series of hints I will put behind spoiler text as one of the things that's possible if you are human at key points in the story:

Okay, so you know how in Demon's, full white or full black tendency would change enemy placement and at full white/black would unlock special boss fights that were actually necessary to advance the plot, as it were?

Well, it doesn't affect enemy placement in Dark. What it does do is more subtle:

Your stats are altered slightly. Drops will be more frequent (this also increases if you're carrying around more humanity) so if you're trying to get a specific item off of an enemy, it behooves you to be human and to have a lot of humanity. The risk vs. reward thing this series is so well known for.

NPCs will react to you slightly differently, which has a few ramifications, but here's a big one: You can only summon the sun knight if you're human. Right now it's common knowledge on here that you can summon him for 2 fights: Belltower Gargoyles and Gaping Dragon. Suffice to say, there's a lot more you can do with him, and it has a lot more ramifications than just him helping you out at some fights.

Also, joining the covenants often requires a lot of juggling of humanity/humanness.


When you say carrying around more humanity, do you mean the items or having a higher humanity count via having consumed the items? The second makes more sense to me - just asking for clarification.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:20 pm        Reply with quote

So this entire soundtrack is Sakuraba's work?
Just when you think he would be stuck in self parody mode forever he delivers easily the best stuff he has done in the last five years.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:41 pm        Reply with quote

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When you say carrying around more humanity, do you mean the items or having a higher humanity count via having consumed the items? The second makes more sense to me - just asking for clarification.


Yeah, the latter.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:54 pm        Reply with quote

How greatis the entrance to The Depths?

Just simple door in the middle of nowhere.
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CubaLibre wrote:
thestage wrote:
CubaLibre wrote:
thestage wrote:
man, I need a weapon. the only area with things I can even hurt is the ghost area.

Don't know if you've already done this, but upgrade whatever you're using to +5 at the blacksmith. He sells the Titanite Shards for 800 souls a pop. Yes, it is much more important to spend souls leveling your weapon than leveling your character.


Decided to just cheat by getting the Drake Sword :(

so the capra demon sure is a bit of bullshit. I wish I could say I learned something over the ten times he killed me, but it's kind of hard to learn something in the three seconds you get between entering the fog and being completely fucking mauled to death.

What you should have learned is: get a shield. And stamina.


Man come on, I played Demon's Souls
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Lol I never use a shield ever. Light armor for mobility and 2 handed powerful weapons. Monster Hunter style dodge and strike.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:08 pm        Reply with quote

to be fair I only used a shield in Demon's at the beginning(ish). then it was meat cleaver time.

but in this game I am sticking with big tanky guy whether it works or not god fucking damn it
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to be fair I only used a shield in Demon's at the beginning(ish). then it was meat cleaver time.

but in this game I am sticking with big tanky guy whether it works or not god fucking damn it


Yeah, I went miralda's gear and meat cleaver faith/str build. Still trying to find the equivalent in Dark Souls. Need to find a really solid basic weapon to ascend to divine or whatever.
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to be honest the meat cleaver was kind of overpowered and I hope there's nothing like it in Dark
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Jus' chillin' with my bro
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accidentally attacked the onion knight. Going to cry.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:16 pm        Reply with quote

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to be honest the meat cleaver was kind of overpowered and I hope there's nothing like it in Dark


So far this black knight's halberd I've got is pretty motherfucking awesome.

Just finished Quelaag by myself. I wasn't alone, but I had no help at all. See, I had just killed an invader on my way over to the web mound, and when I arrived at the misty white portal the player I had just killed had a sign there, waiting to be summoned. So I thought, why not? Of course, it worked out like I'd expected. They were mad, I guess, so they stood there at the door while I fought by myself. Well, fuck you, spiteful invader, I won anyway...!

So that was pretty satisfying.

Now I'm down in hell or whatever and there's a huge demon down here and nobody seems to know how to handle it. Gonna try getting some summons for a bit...

I kinda wish I had a way back out of here at the moment!
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Jus' chillin' with my bro


yeah he's my favorite
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yeah, I got cursed in the depths and had to backtrack all the way to the parish to grind the 3000 souls and cure it - a brief 'this isn't as good as demons hnnng fuck this' moment
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