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Take It Sleazy
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| I've never made a game that I want to play myself, because I think I have a different kind of outlook...I've always made decisions based on what I think will be popular amongst the mass market...so it's very complicated. I think it's the difference between art and design. |
If you are interested in game history at all you should read this. Incredible stuff! |
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BotageL
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:09 pm |
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It's always nice to be reminded just how much cross-pollination there was between Capcom and SNK back in the day.
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allensmithee
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:51 pm |
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| It's always nice to be reminded just how much cross-pollination there was between Capcom and SNK back in the day. |
even between companies in general:
irem running shooters to konami contra and snk metal slug
and konami contra guys to treasure
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allensmithee
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:07 pm |
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oh, i remember hearing that is part of what happened? they got bored of doing sequels so they decided to do FREAKuels.
tell me the true story, rudie. you have piqued my curiousity.
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Rud31
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Basically that is not the story but it is what everyone thinks and I am lazy to look up the actual credits. Here's the most basic thing: If they were tired of sequels why was their first game a McDonald's game.
Why couldn't it just be that they wanted to be their own boss?
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Rud31
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:51 am |
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| “[The] PSN account is tied to the hardware and the memory card, not just the card,” a Sony representative confirmed to Wired, “which means that if a second person is using your Vita, it’s not just a case of switching out memory cards, it’s clearing out all of your saved data on the Vita itself when you do the factory reset. In other words, PlayStation Vita is intended to be played by only one user.” |
Sony loves making the Vita less promising.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:24 am |
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Basically that is not the story but it is what everyone thinks and I am lazy to look up the actual credits. Here's the most basic thing: If they were tired of sequels why was their first game a McDonald's game.
Why couldn't it just be that they wanted to be their own boss? |
McDicks is fab so they bossed themselves into a licensed game and got free BigMacs SUPERSIZED
this was all to plan for their BIG MEAL EATS to fill them up on their HYPERHIBERNATIONGAME DEV plan and they made the rest of games while sleeping on full tummies
then with all the money they released old games on XBLA and got a happy meal for each boy and girl at TREASURE
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:23 am |
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Basically that is not the story but it is what everyone thinks and I am lazy to look up the actual credits. Here's the most basic thing: If they were tired of sequels why was their first game a McDonald's game.
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Because it wasn't a sequel?
Anyway, that nonsense about Treasure leaving Konami because they didn't want to make anymore sequels theoretically came from some mistranslation in an interview with Treasure back in mid-90's GameFan. Halverson wasn't a fan of checking facts. |
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Winona Ghost Ryder
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Felix
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:08 pm |
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| Why couldn't it just be that they wanted to be their own boss? |
somebody edit a bunch of rakugaki showtime and dynamite headdy footage into a video for the song "you can go your own way." |
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another god
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:53 pm |
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| “[The] PSN account is tied to the hardware and the memory card, not just the card,” a Sony representative confirmed to Wired, “which means that if a second person is using your Vita, it’s not just a case of switching out memory cards, it’s clearing out all of your saved data on the Vita itself when you do the factory reset. In other words, PlayStation Vita is intended to be played by only one user.” |
Sony loves making the Vita less promising. |
I know it makes the Vita sound less promising, but seriously, who really shared a PSP with another person? It's not like the original let you switch accounts very easily.
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BotageL
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| I know it makes the Vita sound less promising, but seriously, who really shared a PSP with another person? It's not like the original let you switch accounts very easily. |
Actually, it did. Here was how you played a PSP game you bought from a different account:
1) Buy the game on your PS3
2) Connect PSP to PS3.
3) Select "copy" on game purchased from other account.
4) Answer "Yes" when prompted to deactivate the current account on the PSP and activate the account for the game you're copying.
5) DONE
This isn't even about sharing one system with other people, though, I hate to break this to you, plenty of families do exactly that. It's about how difficult this makes it to purchase games from multiple PSN regions, which is one of the great features of the PSP right now. We don't actually know how the Vita handles multiple accounts yet, and won't know until someone gets a launch unit, two memory cards, and some spare time today.
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So what you're saying is that the Vita being one account only you can't:
1) Make multi region PSN accounts
2) Buy games from other regions*
3) Connect them with your PS3
4) Reassign the current account on the PSP limiting you to one PSN account on your PSP until you repeat step 3
*Which is a needlessly difficult experience
Holy fuck wtf how the fuck SONY YOU CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THIS! You're making it so hard for me.
And on the family thing, fuck that. I might have been the kid with the Gameboy/GBA/PSP but my brother never wanted to touch my game system. I bet there are kids that will be secretly glad that their PSVs are theirs and theirs alone. I can maybe share my game system with my girlfriend, but if she's going to spend her own money on her own PSN games then she's going to want her own PSN-game-playing-device.
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BotageL
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Yeah, Sony is still saying several different things about how regions work on the Vita. Here is what we know so far:
PHYSICAL PURCHASES:
Vita Game Cards are "assigned" to a system & a PSN account when you start earning trophies, even if the game saves onto its built-in memory rather than to your secondary Memory Card. You can use the Game Card on any Vita system, but you must be logged into the PSN account that it was "assigned" to in order to earn trophies, etc. It sounds like it's possible to "format" the save data on a Game Card in order to use it with a new PSN account on a new system, so used sales are still possible. (We think.) You should be able to run a Japanese Gam Card on a US PSN account, and so on.
DIGITAL PURCHASES:
PSN purchases are tied to the account that made the purchase. The Vita must be authenticated with the PSN account that made the purchase to play the game. However, Memory Cards used to store downloaded games are also "assigned" to a Vita system. Now, here's the confusing part. One of the following two cases is true:
1) You can change accounts on the Vita, but must reformat the memory card and reset the Vita to default settings in order to do so. This means any time you want to switch regions, you must backup all of your save data and reconfigure any other settings you've made on the Vita that are independent of PSN account (Wifi/3G logins, etc.) This was the inital report.
2) You can swap Memory Cards to change accounts without having to reformat the Vita's system memory or the Memory Card, but must keep a dedicated Memory Card for each region.
Originally, Sony was saying Situation 1. Then they said it was Situation 2. Now they're saying it's Situation 1 again. Nobody really knows.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:27 pm |
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| I think it's easier to just not buy a Vita. |
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ionustron
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Reading that article and learning the meaning of the word Dimps, I made the biggest headdesk...
Depressing read. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:44 pm |
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Yeah, Sony is still saying several different things about how regions work on the Vita. Here is what we know so far:
PHYSICAL PURCHASES:
Vita Game Cards are "assigned" to a system & a PSN account when you start earning trophies, even if the game saves onto its built-in memory rather than to your secondary Memory Card. You can use the Game Card on any Vita system, but you must be logged into the PSN account that it was "assigned" to in order to earn trophies, etc. It sounds like it's possible to "format" the save data on a Game Card in order to use it with a new PSN account on a new system, so used sales are still possible. (We think.) You should be able to run a Japanese Gam Card on a US PSN account, and so on.
DIGITAL PURCHASES:
PSN purchases are tied to the account that made the purchase. The Vita must be authenticated with the PSN account that made the purchase to play the game. However, Memory Cards used to store downloaded games are also "assigned" to a Vita system. Now, here's the confusing part. One of the following two cases is true:
1) You can change accounts on the Vita, but must reformat the memory card and reset the Vita to default settings in order to do so. This means any time you want to switch regions, you must backup all of your save data and reconfigure any other settings you've made on the Vita that are independent of PSN account (Wifi/3G logins, etc.) This was the inital report.
2) You can swap Memory Cards to change accounts without having to reformat the Vita's system memory or the Memory Card, but must keep a dedicated Memory Card for each region.
Originally, Sony was saying Situation 1. Then they said it was Situation 2. Now they're saying it's Situation 1 again. Nobody really knows. |
I swear I started to read this but about two and a half sentences in my eyes slipped on down the page like they were on an ice level. No piece of consumer electronics should be this difficult to operate. Sony of all videogame hardware companies should know this.
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BotageL
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:48 pm |
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That's the proper reaction. I think Sony took a look at how they handled the user experience on the PSP and PS3 and said to themselves, "How can we make this more obnoxious?"
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BotageL
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:49 pm |
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I'm really looking forward to what the homebrew hackers get running this time.
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Rud31
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:25 pm |
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So what you're saying is that the Vita being one account only you can't:
1) Make multi region PSN accounts
2) Buy games from other regions*
3) Connect them with your PS3
4) Reassign the current account on the PSP limiting you to one PSN account on your PSP until you repeat step 3
*Which is a needlessly difficult experience
Holy fuck wtf how the fuck SONY YOU CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THIS! You're making it so hard for me.
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You're being needlessly antagonistic. It's certainly not a reality that every game is released in every region. They are stating that the Vita is region-free but that seems pointless if the software/dl system is so absurdly hardcoded.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:13 am |
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| The wonders of PC DRM in the comfort of your very own memory card. |
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Toptube
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:54 am |
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So with the Vita, you can't lend a game to someone.
hahahahahaha |
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RobotRocker
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Edit: ^^^^^^Great minds think alike.
In other news. The Japanese industry has officially gone so loopy they have gotten Nintendo infected and are now throwing shit against a wall and hoping it sticks.
Ladies and Gentlemen. Nobunaga's Ambition X Pokémon
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| I'm really looking forward to what the homebrew hackers get running this time. |
I think I used my PSP more in the last few weeks when I got homebrew running properly than I did in the last 5 years. Serves me right for getting it at launch.
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Lasakon
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Important to note this is actually the second nintendo x tecmo koei collaboration after Takamura showed up in Samurai Warriors 3.
Hoping Nintendo actually bothers to localize it and market it because they sure as hell didn't let anyone know that they published Samurai Warriors 3.
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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I'm ecstatic that there's finally going to be a Pokemon strategy game, and it's kind of amazing that Nintendo has a DS release scheduled for (mid?) 2012, but that release is probably going to stay in Japan and I get the feeling that some details about the game will eventually come out that will sour us on it.
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Rud31
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I think I used my PSP more in the last few weeks when I got homebrew running properly than I did in the last 5 years. Serves me right for getting it at launch. |
I'd say I used my PSP for mostly homebrew for the first 3 years until I finally played Yuusha/Badman/jesus what do we call this series in English?
If I could gift PSN stuff I would totally gift you No Heroes Allowed! .
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:55 am |
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| I'm really looking forward to what the homebrew hackers get running this time. |
You could be waiting. The battery is not user replaceable, and I'm certain that Sony has at least learned something from the security blunders of their last two platforms.
(EDIT: I was wrong about this. The system can easily be dismantled and the battery removed with a standardized screwdriver. This voids the warranty, but it's not like that will stop anyone.)
Since I don't know anyone else in person who plays games beyond Minecraft/TF2/Cod of Duty/Skyrim/whatever, and don't buy used games unless I have to, the Vita DRM is a non-issue to me. It will still play physical import games just fine. I will get one when some of the games I care about, like the YS IV remake, are released.
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| between this & new xbox experience (and its sequel) i'm fearful of the next generation console user experience |
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I think I used my PSP more in the last few weeks when I got homebrew running properly than I did in the last 5 years. Serves me right for getting it at launch. |
I'd say I used my PSP for mostly homebrew for the first 3 years until I finally played Yuusha/Badman/jesus what do we call this series in English?
If I could gift PSN stuff I would totally gift you No Heroes Allowed! . |
I bought a psp at launch.
A portable Wipeout with sweet graphics and wide screen felt pretty lush.
Every game came with a firmware update, any time I bought a game that just came out I wouldn't be able to pop it in and play.
Then the 360, and PS3 came out
Updates were here to stay
fuck.
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Yuusha/Badman/jesus what do we call this series in English? is pretty awesome.
I don't have much desire to replay it though. :\
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Felix
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It looks like shit, albeit inspired shit. I'd be willing to give it a shot if the player hitbox is as small as Gradius V. |
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Dracko
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Good thing there's a demo.
Is Gigantic Army good? It looks decent. Gonna give the demo a rev.
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It looks like shit, albeit inspired shit. I'd be willing to give it a shot if the player hitbox is as small as Gradius V. |
I thought as much as well. Looks even worse than Space Impakto DS. |
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As one who has shared his DSLight with his brothers and used my brothers psp (hell, a good friend of mine used both at one point), it is fair to say that this is good news:
| BotageL wrote: |
Yeah, Sony is still saying several different things about how regions work on the Vita. Here is what we know so far:
PHYSICAL PURCHASES:
Vita Game Cards are "assigned" to a system & a PSN account when you start earning trophies, even if the game saves onto its built-in memory rather than to your secondary Memory Card. You can use the Game Card on any Vita system, but you must be logged into the PSN account that it was "assigned" to in order to earn trophies, etc. It sounds like it's possible to "format" the save data on a Game Card in order to use it with a new PSN account on a new system, so used sales are still possible. (We think.) You should be able to run a Japanese Gam Card on a US PSN account, and so on.
DIGITAL PURCHASES:
PSN purchases are tied to the account that made the purchase. The Vita must be authenticated with the PSN account that made the purchase to play the game. However, Memory Cards used to store downloaded games are also "assigned" to a Vita system. Now, here's the confusing part. One of the following two cases is true:
1) You can change accounts on the Vita, but must reformat the memory card and reset the Vita to default settings in order to do so. This means any time you want to switch regions, you must backup all of your save data and reconfigure any other settings you've made on the Vita that are independent of PSN account (Wifi/3G logins, etc.) This was the inital report.
2) You can swap Memory Cards to change accounts without having to reformat the Vita's system memory or the Memory Card, but must keep a dedicated Memory Card for each region.
Originally, Sony was saying Situation 1. Then they said it was Situation 2. Now they're saying it's Situation 1 again. Nobody really knows. |
Fact aside that this has to be intentional, since no UI designed like that would pass QC in a company like Sony.
Users who are too dumb to figure out how to do this > Users who can figure this out
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annoying users who have the PSP and probably even <bought> games
→ obviously, the winner is clear. Sony clearly knows that the right killer-titles will be released and most of us will be stupid enough to buy it anyway.
Lucky that I didn't even start to consider buying the Vita after I managed to avoid buying the PSP then! And the best bit about this?
Here's Sony & Nintendo wondering why numbers of Smartphones with the Itunes/Android Market are skyrocketing in charts, both supporting (almost, ho-ho) 1-click-instant installation (yet applying the same shackles that the owners do not notice, but that's a different problem …).
If there's one thing I absolutely want to see, it's both the 3DS and the Vita tanking while Smartphones eat away at their marketshare. Although that means I won't be playing any portable games in this (next) generation, but hell, if I don't, might as well see that shit sink quicker than a stone.
And if I contemplate buying a mobile device? It surely is going to be a ARM-powered device now (not the VITA though) that can be rooted and configured as I want to, as "easy" as a visit to xda-dev can be, mind you.
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