Competitive gaming/esports: The Thread

108 · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 1:07 am

that is a good question!

"better" is subjective. the motivation for making this game is to make a game that is certainly as involved, complicated, and nuanced as starcraft, though also easier to understand while watching.

it's more or less like what would happen if you combined third strike and starcraft. (and it played like a third-person shooter designed by treasure.)

i'm sure some people are going to hate it! though hey, we are intent on Partying On Our Own Terms (POOOT).

i keep getting scared that someone is going to make a game like it -- and then they don't! the first-person / third-person shooter genre keeps chasing its own tail. so i played a lot of board games and card games and street fighter and starcraft and watched a lot of competitive sports and then i was like "ok". so now: ziggurat. it's pretty cool! i mean, it's not finished at all, though we sure do have a good six hours of fun every once in a while just playing it and cackling like jerks.

in short, ziggurat may not be better than starcraft, though it is certainly better than halo and chess.
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108 · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:19 am

starcraft isn't that easy to watch if you've never played the game!

and yes it is better than halo chess :-3
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really though if you make a good shooter that feels right and offers no frills or gimmicks multiplayer and looks snappy I'll be happy

hope you've been playing your Quake ^_^

Pat the Great · Joined: 05 Dec 2006

i heard justin wong was recruited to be a playtester for ziggurat and decided that he had wasted his life on street fighter.

AT THE TITLE SCREEN.
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108 · Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:58 am

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would anyone be interested in doing a SB only, just-for-fun starcraft 2 tournament? i'd love an excuse to try my hand at casting some replays or something.

edit: actually, i should probably make a new thread for this.
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GrimmSweeper · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Canada

Dota 2's streaming live right now, with a metric ton of lag, watching an animated 'please wait' screen for a good chunk of your time and then being confused because of your lack of knowledge of items and units from Dota.

I mean I played it, like a goodly long while ago. As far as people are saying, it's Dota remade on a different engine with everything pretty much the same, no enhancements as of yet. So if you know the scene well enough, I guess it will make sense. I do appreciate the shoutcasters being extremely enthusiastic.

Myself, I play League of Legends at a decent level and I know the items by sight so tournies livestreamed are extremely transparent. This, I sort of understand what's going on but it's such a different beast that I can't say if a team is doing well unless it is heavily weighted in their favour in terms of kills and map control.

Anyway, to paraphrase the people I was listening to (because fuck if they could keep a decent stream to the game on their livestream), the Chinese vs Chinese game was a boring 70 minute farm fest where one team was out-picked at the start but apparently 'how long you survive' is a metric they are measuring for standings so they just didn't give up.

I switched to the English Commentator livestream after that for M5 and MYM. It ended in M5's favour when their Spectre, Nightstalker and Crystal Maiden (sic?) started snowballing and MYM had to buy back to keep them pushed back from their barracks a large number of times. And then still dying not 15 seconds after they bought back.

Na'vi and Scythe match now. Don't know either of them.

Level 1 fight very exciting! Scythe initiated poorly and two of them were taken out when they kept moving in and were attacked from their flank.

sarsamis · Joined: 17 Feb 2007

was anyone else watching mlg earlier?

haze · la belle poney sans merci Joined: 04 Dec 2006

i was watching the sc2 finals which were getting pretty exciting and then the power went out

i'll never know who won

never.

negativedge · banned Joined: 04 Dec 2006

I watched large portions of MLG!

Not that many great matches, honestly. I had Bomber--pretty easy call--but I thought Puma would place higher than fifth. I wish they'd stream more of the open bracket and losers stuff, especially when they have miles of dead air to fill. I would have liked to have seen, say, Spanishiwa or Demuslim tear up the losers stuff. Hell, at one point they had Puma and Nada playing at the same time as DRG and Hero and yet both streams were just showing the Puma/Nada matches. That kind of shit is pretty dumb.

Nada definitely had the best games of the (streamed) tournament, but the later rounds were plagued by a lot of surprise all-in, which is kind of big in the Korean pro metagaming scene right now. Doesn't make for exciting matches (unless July is involved).

Wish I saw the Huk/Nada run back (Huk eliminated Nada in GSL less than a week ago in a pretty great set).

sarsamis · Joined: 17 Feb 2007

Yeah, the redundant streams pissed me off too.

Was DRG vs Nada streamed? I had to go out for awhile and it had gone past those games by the time I got back.

negativedge · banned Joined: 04 Dec 2006

Yeah, DRG/Nada was on the stream. Wasn't a great set. DRG rolled pretty hard. The Nada/Puma set before it was probably the best of the day, though.

Pat the Great · Joined: 05 Dec 2006

i hosted a mlg viewing party at my apartment. lots of people came! tim came too late for the sc2, but just in time to watch my friends play 3s for shots.

y'all should come next time. bay area folks.
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GrimmSweeper · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Canada

In continuing my trend of watching the vastly not-as-popular e-games, League of Legends completely fucked up their custom spectator program for the first day and only the first full match of CLG vs Crs was sorta streamed. This is the same spectator program used during the tournament in Germany which also had issues. These issues were the same that they ran into that day!

Riot has an extremely terrible trend of not doing enough QA before rolling out their shit so when it comes time for the big leagues, like they're trying to do with getting in MLG and IEM, they get egg on their face time and time again. Hopefully this will teach them to test the shit out of their code first.

negativedge · banned Joined: 04 Dec 2006

man, LoL is vastly-more-popular than just about anything not named world of warcraft

GrimmSweeper · Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Canada

Revised to vastly not-as-popular-on-SB.

D:

nothingxs · Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:05 pm

Nada VS Puma was really, really awesome to watch. And to be honest, I hated the tons of dead air on the stream. It kind of killed it for me.
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sarsamis · Joined: 17 Feb 2007

Game needs LAN

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bumping my Posting Alone thread

I haven't watched much starcraft lately, but we just got two WHITE HOT semi finals at IEM China . idra beasting the hell out of Puma with flawless ZvT, and the unlikely match up of elfi, whom I had never even seen play before, and hasuobs throwing down a ridiculous 5 game PvP where elfi came back from 2-0, including like a 30 minute zero expand game where hasuobs went zealot/phoenix and somehow pushed it to the brink before being caught distance mining from the gold on metalopolis.

Mr. Bitter was so happy with the idra wins that he started hugging him in the interview. idra was so happy with the idra win that he didn't even kill bitter when that happened.

Pat the Great · Joined: 05 Dec 2006

i should really watch those games. idra has needed a win for some time now.
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TL got your back with the hug, at least:

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Man, the lack of LAN in SC2 is really starting to get embarassing. IPL3 has been completely fucked over today because of internet problems. Heaven forbid they be able to take a cord from one computer to the other and make this shit happen.

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on the bright side: watching huk vs. boxer in brood war was fun.
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thestage · banned Joined: 27 Sep 2011

yeah, that was cool. too bad Jessica had to come and ruin the fun by being a responsible adult :(

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man, whitera is such a baller. anyone that likes to watch competitive video games needs to love this guy. great games against both idra and mma. I'm pretty sure blizzard buffed the warp prism specifically for whitera.

thestage · banned Joined: 27 Sep 2011

GUYS

CHECK IT OUT

if you have any interest in possibly seeing what the whole starcraft thing is all about, MLG Providence is about to start. it has the best player pool of any SC2 tournament to date. MLG's format can be a little dumb, but there comes a point when there are just so many great matchups that it doesn't matter.

nothingxs · Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:54 am

i concur: watch that shit.
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Pat the Great · Joined: 05 Dec 2006

slush vs. nestea was probably one of the most exciting ZvZs i've ever seen. and kiwikaki/DRG was dope.
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thestage · banned Joined: 27 Sep 2011

Naniwa so far over two days: win over MVP, two wins over Nestea. impressive. he even talked a bunch of shit about Nestea and then gave him the thumbs down after the second win just a few minutes ago. Naniwa wants to be the top tier heel in SC2, I guess! Nestea was really pissed off!