[remote]

i mean "go look at screenshots" is supposed to dissuade him?

maybe it's not a great game, but if it's anything it's fucking gorgeous
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[Adilegian]

[klj5j6li]

[diplo]

:twisted:

[Amish Chipmunk]

Oh man, reading the first couple pages of this thread makes me want this. That and diplo's bizarre link. But I don't got no Xbox (or PS3). *sigh*
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[Wall of Beef]

I don't either but I convinced a friend to go in on the game with me and have him download it on his machine.

Now I gotta cut $1.50 out my budget just to get some cheap thrills. Hope its a life affirming experience.
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[thestage]

[apfEID]

"everyone in the world attends college"

uh, not quite.
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[spinach]

this is the world's most boring conversation and with
still no stats to back up declining library usage

guys the new central library in san diego has a dome
on it, i cannot wait till it opens

how many microsoft fun bucks is this i have some
lying around still
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[winkerwatson]

you're not a student anymore extralife

i like El Shaddai but the game is the most boring thing about it
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[Tulpa]

[Amish Chipmunk]

[spinach]

yes, that is already the case.
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[Amish Chipmunk]

Cool! Thanks, Spinach: that's really nice to hear.

Did you ever do any research into library use on your own? I looked it into a little bit and found
http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet06
Kind of surprised that the numbers were as good as they are. Monthly visits are around 45%, while yearly use is at 65%. There is a lot more data in there, but it's not nearly as awful as I had assumed.
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[spinach]

ha, neat
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[Felix]

as I have quasi-mentioned here and elsewhere I am an open access and digital preservation librarian

and as such I am finding it remarkably difficult to engage with this piecemeal discussion

[thestage]

[spinach]

nedge what are you even talking about ever

tulpa i have like 1600 funbuxx i think is there a way to
transfer some of them
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[Amish Chipmunk]

Uh, thestage, my second post was entirely directed towards spinach. I didn't think you hadn't done your research, I just knew you weren't sharing, so I went and grabbed some myself.
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[thestage]

yeah, I know, but with all the clamor I figured I'd jump in anyway

[Tulpa]

[spinach]

ah cool
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[spinach]

[evnvnv]

[thestage]

I will never apologize for thinking, even when it makes people sad. if you don't like my thought process or conclusions you can tell me I am wrong, but usually around here it is the simple act that people oppose.

golden age is dangerous thinking and I don't go there ever

academia is broken, I will stand by that

I don't usually use the word statistically because I hardly ever care about statistics. last time this kind of thing came up I was the one accusing people of anecdotal evidence when they specifically tried to refute me with anecdotal evidence and then people got mad at me I'm not sure why. I think we were talking about...video game reviews? fuck, I don't even remember [edit: it was ARGs]. if you want to oppose my habits against something else, you can group "statistical" with "scientific" or "empirical" and call me "theoretical" or "structural" and that would be a more useful set of identifiers, even if people will read this sentence and immediately bend their own idiosyncrasies into a boogieman image of me against which they can direct universal rage or indignation. even still, it would certainly be more productive than seizing upon a tangential point of an argument that was already a tangent simply because it offers people an opportunity to grossly overprivilege a certain kind of thinking. next time this happens I'll try to head it off from that direction, but then I will likely be accused of just "arguing about arguing," which is internet speak for "being a dick." I'm not happy with every post I make, but there is no existential crisis here, I know how I operate. everyone can do with it what they will.

[thestage]

[mauve]

[BotageL]

For a long time, I've wondered if the hero's only spoken line of dialog being the one from the first trailer was something they'd decided on before the Internet realized how funny it was.
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[CubaLibre]

[Amish Chipmunk]

I think thestage actually has an interesting point here about the way we fetishize price in video games. Cuba, I, personally, would get more enjoyment out of purchasing a game for $3 than a video for $3. Even if we somehow accounted for relative time spent with entertainment (a tough metric, indeed), I believe I would still care more. I gain pleasure from purchasing games on the cheap that I don't get from purchasing videos on the cheap.

I'm not quite sure why this is the case, but I expect it's a throwback to my childhood. Growing up, a videogame was the true measure of money in my mind. What fraction of a videogame was a purchase? If I worked so many hours at such and such, how many videogames could I buy? Hell, even to this day, I still regularly compare prices to buying videogames (a value which will always be set at $50 in my head, regardless of economic changes): classy steak dinner? Fuck that---I could get a videogame instead. Etc, etc.

This might be endemic to the general videogame audience. I think of it as being a fairly middle-class and up pastime, so for many children it was the one thing they really had to worry about buying on their own. Your parents took you to the movies, your parents bought you books, your parents fed you: but videogames? You got those on holidays or when you personally had the money. So when we began to see the price of games that we actually wanted drop to bargain bin levels, WOWZER, ya know? We developed this base response to game purchase when it seemed scarce, but then we got older and the (monetary) scarcity disappeared, but the base response stuck around.

Of course, this is just an anecdotally-based hypothesis, but I would be curious to see if it rings true for anyone else. And, also of course, not all videogame players grew up middle-class (or higher), but I think it might help to explain where a broad swath of the audience is coming from. Anyone have the above ring as true or bullshit for them?


Still, I want to say that believing this kind of thinking exists only in our medium is silly. Clearly, it exists all over the place, but maybe it exists at a higher concentration in our medium? That seems like a possible conversation.
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[Adilegian]

[Amish Chipmunk]

At the moment, the cost of leisure is considerably less than the cost of time for me. [Hypocrisy: Posting on SB] I expect that's going to be true for very many decades, so I would much rather spend increased money on "good" if it is a moderate price increase.

When I was younger, I used to find raw quantity of playtime important in a videogame. If it was an okay game that could be played for 60 hours, that was amazing! Now, I hate the idea of playing a 60 hour game unless every moment is perfection. It's just such a huge time investment. Anyway, this means I mainly value pleasure over price in all my entertainment options. (IF entertainment < $20; if greater than that I start to think in terms of alternative activities that would net equivalent pleasure for less price.)

Regardless of that though, I still think I get some zap of pleasure just for buying a game. If it's at a deal, moreso the pleasure. Hence why I regularly check Steam for sales, as opposed to just putting stuff on wishlist and being done with it.
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[Moogs]

Play this to the point where you die and the game reboots back to the title screen, then stop right there.

[evnvnv]

[mauve]

[Take It Sleazy]

Personally $3 plus not going to a store/not waiting for mail/not having a physical box laying around/a game that was a "full retail release" was the right value to convince me to buy it

even $10 I would consider a different tier of thing

for other consumer goods, even instantly disposable ones like food, i would consider 3 and 10 about the same but not a video game

steam sales and phone games probably factor into my current mindset

i like reviews that tell you if it is worth full price. i don't think longer is better or more valuable

a "narrative" game that's longer than 10-15 hours has to basically trick me into playing it at this point

this game is pretty sweet to look at and listen to though. if a trusted friend had told me the aesthetic was this cool i probably would have got it at $20

[Rud31]

Sleazy I...I want to be a trusted friend.
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[thestage]

rudie, I'm going to level with you: no one who has played every game boy game ever made can be anyone's trusted friend. just comes with the territory.

[Rud31]

thestage I am 5 yenning you so hard.
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[thestage]

I don't get it.

does that mean you're like putting a hole in me or something

or selling me for cheap

or like