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TXTSWORD
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| "Not shitty like oblivion, more like morrowind" is a pretty good sales pitch for me. I dunno about this Demon's Souls comparison... I think that's maybe a stretch... Something I'm honestly excited about is that animal races finally look acceptable. I really want to be an animal people. However, I don't have a good gaming rig so... I dunno... is playing it on console worth it? :S |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:41 pm |
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http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/119/1196353p1.html
Did we read this article? Lol. I don't know how to feel because... he has some decent points thrown in there... but gosh he sure makes himself - and by extension me and everything I stand for - look bad.
But I mean... it's an IGN article. I know this. I know better. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:26 am |
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| What the fuck? The most in-depth crime and punishment system in gaming to date? Really? |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:14 pm |
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| Yeah as long as you get to slewing some bandits who cares. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:12 pm |
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| Watching oblivion videos eliminated any secret skyrim excitement I may have been harboring. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:14 am |
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| radish wrote: |
Well, I guess I bought it today.
Preloaded and ready to go.
I think the thing I'm most excited about is making a character that doesn't look like the guy in every single piece promotional art ever.
That seriously bugs me for some reason. |
I really need to stop playing games where my main excitement about them is "making a guy". That's... why I played dragon age 2. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:33 am |
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| field balm wrote: |
i dunno i feel like that about 98% of singleplayer games these days
i have a sad feeling skyrim will be the same :( |
This (for no particularly good reason) brings to mind a discussion in which someone claimed that single player games were for people who were bad at games. As the conversation unfolded, it became evident that he had no interest in games that proved him wrong because "ikaruga what is that obscure completely unheard of jap game I don't care about that." Additionally, he believed WoW pvp was the pinnacle of competitive gaming. That's when I decided not to discuss games on the internet outside of selectbutton.
I'll likely rent skyrim, be excited while "making a dude" and imagine the character I'll pretend he is... then explore for a bit... maybe even a couple of hours... then feel empty and depressed about the whole thing and take it back to blockbuster (yes blockbuster shut up). |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:12 am |
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| just gunna mod this game to pretend I'm playing monster hunter. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 6:13 am |
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| I, too, am going the thief/assassin route. I can't wait to have the ability to kill people by putting poison in their inventory so I can secretly kill off all the bratty children of that lord of dragonskeep or whatever the fuck and then watch as he never even brings it up. I'd love if the game had him go into mourning. His only dialogue being about the death of all of his children. He no longer can be bothered to give you quests because he's too depressed. Slip a little something into his inventory to help him ease the pain. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 5:29 pm |
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| I'm going to be terribly amused when people find out how much Dark Souls actually sold, realize it's now mainstream, and start calling it crap compared to whatever other desperately-underground thing Google told them exists. |
I doubt such a thing will happen. Even so, as far as "lore geeking" goes, I will admit that I don't really get it. Care to explain? |
I think he lost his mind a little bit in his 24 hour Skyrim binge.
Even Demon's Souls got to be pretty "mainstream". I mean, it was in the running for kotaku's GOTY. I don't think anyone here is under the illusion that Dark Souls is some super underground indie title. I, for one, will love Dark Souls and Demon's Souls regardless of it's popularity... even despite being an elitist douchebag.
So far as Skyrim is concerned, you have to admit that some of the game mechanics got pretty dumb. I don't mind the combat so much, it's at least less boring than the last two games. The environments are really nice to look at and despite the look of the game still being extremely close to real world plus a little tolkien and lacking in any of it's own personality it's a much much more enjoyable world than Oblivion. It's not completely depressing or anything. I can't say it's entirely interesting, but it may just be that I don't care to play an Elder Scrolls game any more. Had they made this game instead of Oblivion, when I was younger, I would have been all over it. It's fun enough and I'll keep playing it and maybe I'll get more into it but as it stands I find it kind of forgettable. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:10 pm |
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| Man I've spent hours of my day going from shitty 3 building farm town to shitty 3 building farm town. How annoying. So far as I can tell there's only one real civilized city type area. I know there have to be more but I'm getting a headache and getting really annoyed as I make 0 progress. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:02 pm |
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| I had at one point, two companions. Being a thief, it's sort of stupid. I eventually learned to ignore my human companion - though she ruined any chance of me sneaking up on enemies in dungeons. The dog though... the fucking dog. I had to just send that thing away. It's just stupid as hell having a dog relentlessly barking while you're trespassing in someone's home at night stealing their goods while they sleep. Even stupider that it doesn't seem to bother anyone. My female companion died. I accidentally delivered the final blow... with my force dragon shout thing. It was sad... because I was deep in a dungeon and she was carrying a lot of loot... some of which I had to leave behind. I'll probably need to get a new companion to fight for me because my character is almost entirely trained in sneaking, lockpicking, and pickpocketing. A little illusion, but I haven't found any illusion spells worthwhile yet.. and my one handed is pretty good. I figure mixing one handed bonuses with sneak and assassin's blade will at some point be extremely good. When i'm basically invisible, that is. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:08 pm |
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| My favorite moment was when I was in some shitty farm town at night and I murdered a woman in her sleep, drug her body out to the bridge, and dumped it in the icy river at night - then watched it float away. I was like "wow this is the most grim serial killer sim". |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:00 pm |
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I'm not sure, I think the enemies stop targeting your companion when they're down which is why you're probably the only person that can kill them unless they're like in flaming oil maybe or an enemy does some spell that they're caught in the crossfire of or something?
EDIT: Oh I didn't see DJ's post nvm
TopChube - it definitely is more Morrowind than Oblivion and if you had the urge to play another Elder Scrolls that wasn't bad like... say... Oblivion.. then play Skyrim. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:46 pm |
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| Yeah I mean, she'd not taken a blow after kneeling and then my dragon force yell thing grazed her from quite a distance and she was dead. Until that point I didn't even know she COULD die. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:07 pm |
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| Flylighter wrote: |
This is the most important video I've ever made.
Rot in hell Imperial sympathizer
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God damn it.. this is why I never have the sound on. I kept trying to turn it up to hear this fucking thing and then suddenly it's yelling "mother fucker" across the entire office. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:18 pm |
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| They just asked if I was trying to be my dad who actually yells profanity across the office as well as racial slurs about terrorist president Barrack Osama. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:21 pm |
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I've gotta say I'm probably going to stick with Lydia until the end of the game because (and it feels really weird to say this) she can get beaten up better than any NPC companion I've had in any of these games. She's smart enough to pull out the bow when an enemy is unreachable, but if they're on the ground she's up front tanking that shit regardless of what it is, and as a result she's suffered more dragon bites/burns/scratches/tail swipes/wing buffets/etc. than my character is ever likely to, and still answers most interactions with "I'm still here!". I can't decide if that's creepy or awesome.
I need to get her some better armor (she flatly refuses to wear any of the stuff I've given her so far besides the sword and the helmet) but she can take a pretty remarkable amount of punishment just based on what she's wearing, so I guess it's not a big deal. She'll still kneel pretty fast vs. big targets but she distracts them long enough to burn all my magicka tossing lighting hadokens and then re-arranging my shit to finally get my mace and shield out, and that's become kind of invaluable. Plus if she recovers mid-fight she'll actually get back up and go smack them some more, which again is an excellent distraction and gives me enough time to prep some new attacks.
All Boone in New Vegas ever did is attack shit when I didn't want him to and bitch. |
I gave her all my magic staff things so she runs around dual wielding them iceflaming enemies and stuff it's pretty funny. That is... she did... until she died... and I didn't reload. I wonder if there's a more thieflike companion I can get so my experience with them feels more natural. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:38 pm |
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| radish wrote: |
Is it possible for companions to die permanently? I've yet to use one for fear of losing anything I give them.
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| I gave her all my magic staff things so she runs around dual wielding them iceflaming enemies and stuff it's pretty funny. That is... she did... until she died... and I didn't reload. I wonder if there's a more thieflike companion I can get so my experience with them feels more natural. |
Guess that answers that. |
You can loot the gear back off their body assuming you can carry all that shit. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:42 pm |
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Youpi - I've been playing on PS3 because I have a mac and I was really feeling limited by the pad and assuming the pc controls were way way better so I'm kind of grossed out to hear how bad they are.
I mean... I have to entirely pause the game to change to a different type of magic, a different weapon, use a potion... and the whole interface seems pretty clumsy. I still can't get used to navigating the menus with the pad entirely. Like, if I press circle to back out of a menu level it closes the menu entirely. It's quite frustrating.
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 5:01 pm |
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| Youpi wrote: |
TXTSWORD, I am playing it on a Mac Pro actually! I use a Radeon HD 6870, this card is unofficially supported on OS X. Skyrim on Win 7, with all quality settings to the max, 1920*1080, pushes 30 FPS in all exterior scenes without further slowdown, and 60 FPS in all interiors.
I would never consider playing this game on a console when it is obvious this game will attract a vibrant modding community tirelessly working to ensure that in a few months I will be able to play this game as an anime girl riding a my little pony character. |
I felt that way too - but I figured I wouldn't care enough about this game to sweat it. But uh - my mac mini wouldn't be able to handle this game even if I bothered to partition it and load up a windows OS. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:11 pm |
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| I think she's blocked me in a doorway at least four or five times by now. |
Yeah, this... and hanging out behind me in a narrow hallway while I'm trying to back away from some 2handed weapon wielding maniac's deathblow resulting in me getting completely killed at least twice. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:20 pm |
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| I basically just want to make my character a super assassin and craft elaborate poisons to use on NPC's... roleplay as a serial killer for a bit (so every videogame character) - then get rid of this game forever. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:26 pm |
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This poison is created by using Imp Stool as a base, and adding Human Flesh, these two alone will create the Paralysis and Damage Health effect. Any third reagent which contains Lingering Damage Health can be added, such as Slaughterfish Eggs. This poison has proven incredibly effective when used from a bow, even if you don't kill a target outright, the paralysis effect will prevent them from raising the alarm, talking, or responding in any way. If you cannot kill a target with a sneak attack alone, this will finish off the job once the 10 seconds have elapsed they will have taken 143 poison damage in total. An arrow to the back of a guard using this poison will kill them outright before they have a chance to move a muscle.
This is my second favorite poison, it can be created by using Deathbell as a potion base, and combining it with River betty for the Damage Health and Slow effects, and simply adding a third ingredient for Weakness to Poison, such as Chaurus Eggs. This poison is more suitable in situations where complete silence is not needed. The poison deals considerible damage instantly, and is effective with a bow as it takes them much longer to get to me. The weakness to poison will give the opportunity to use the first paralysis poison if they are tougher than anticipated, stopping them in their tracks and doing consideribly more damage due to the poison weakness.
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I love this. I'm sad I've not invested in alchemy at all. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:35 pm |
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| Talbain wrote: |
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| I basically just want to make my character a super assassin and craft elaborate poisons to use on NPC's... roleplay as a serial killer for a bit (so every videogame character) - then get rid of this game forever. |
This is just a result of a lack of sufficiently complex AI, as DJ has said. Complaining about this just isn't realistic if you're playing in a game where violence is an answer you can employ with regards to problems. Granted, there does need to be a lot more work done on AI, but I've never been sure about whether games like these is the place to have that conversation. |
Did you mean to quote me? I'm not sure we're having the same conversation? What's happening? |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:58 pm |
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| Talbain wrote: |
| TXTSWORD wrote: |
| Talbain wrote: |
| TXTSWORD wrote: |
| I basically just want to make my character a super assassin and craft elaborate poisons to use on NPC's... roleplay as a serial killer for a bit (so every videogame character) - then get rid of this game forever. |
This is just a result of a lack of sufficiently complex AI, as DJ has said. Complaining about this just isn't realistic if you're playing in a game where violence is an answer you can employ with regards to problems. Granted, there does need to be a lot more work done on AI, but I've never been sure about whether games like these is the place to have that conversation. |
Did you mean to quote me? I'm not sure we're having the same conversation? What's happening? |
It's mostly a response to the "roleplay as a serial killer" comment. I don't think people are consciously playing as "serial killers," it's a more incidental role that's a result of it still being considered a game in all instances. |
Oh, no I want to literally role play as a serial killer. I wasn't being a selectbutton poster. (except the "so every videogame character" thing being a joke about how everyone here accuses every videogame character of being a sociopathic murderer in a murder sim) But yeah, I wasn't making a complaint. I want to actually pretend to be a serial killer and that's the only thing I care to do in this game. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:05 pm |
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If not games like these, then what games? These games are about "world building" and "character development" and exploration and things like that. What's the point of any of it if it all boils down to talking to bricks that patrol between House and Work, and then either stealing all their shit or killing them for lack of anything better to do? I mean, it's not like a game like this can claim that the actions themselves are better than in other games. Killing dudes in Skyrim is never going to be as good as killing dudes in Quake or Dark Souls or whatever, and you're never going to get a structured experience that can rival anything competently produced. Since that's the case, there has to be some kind of investment. Where's that investment coming from? People like to talk about all the "things to do" in these games--but what things are there to do? It's volume, not variety. You can kill things for quests, or you can kill things for Not Quests. You can hit e to steal/pick/craft/combine. That's it. That's the list. People like to be hoity-toity with games like this, pretending that " you can choose to not kill things," and that this choice makes you are MORE INTERESTING GAMER or some retarded bullshit. But why would you ever do this? Discussions of "morality" along these lines are only held by certifiable fucking morons, so let's dismiss that--there's no incentive. There are no interesting alternatives. I mean, I can not kill things in an action game too--it's called turning the system off. Not so sure Bethesda's answer of "walk forward and hope something cool happens" is a better alternative.
So that's my problem with these games, and I'm pretty sure that's a relevant concern. |
This is probably why I find these games so depressing. The real joy should be living in the simulated world, but the illusion is so paper thin that you're constantly aware you're just playing with dolls and it's just depressing as fuck. It really feels like there's "nothing to do". I love the idea of getting a house in my simulated world, but then what do I do with it? Store loot? Who fucking cares? I want to love my home and have a reason to spend time there. Also - not in the way Fable attempts because I always end up hating my fake family so much because they're not even characters they're just still fake one dimensional NPCs that are now nagging me in my house. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:55 pm |
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| BadFlower wrote: |
if i said dark souls and skyrim were pretty much the same game with a few negligible differences --
skyrim hides things behinds loading screens, dark souls hides things behind mystery
camera perspective
graphics
-- would you agree with me?
because both games have useless things hidden behind stupid obstacles (like load screens) and are stuck in a world that's pretty much ripoffs of ~better~ things skyrim = song of fire and ice::dark souls = zelda
both games have bad ai
both games are "empty"
both games have quests that are exactly like the free roaming aspects
both games are simple
both games are only enjoyable when telling the events, the actual playing is lifeless and your mind is stuck inside the broken system
so you all should keep comparing the games because they're really similar despite the "NO THIS GAME IS COOL AND THAT GAME IS GENERIC" bullshit that will populate the web in 3 months when neogaf does a LTTP thread |
I would tell you to shut up? You monster? |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:00 am |
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| Felix wrote: |
| I have to do some stupid-ass long dungeon (that apparently has really good art design) to retrieve an Elder Scroll before I can advance the main quest, and now that I have the best sword (Dragonsbane) and armor (Archmage) I'm likely to find, it turns out I have relatively little motivation to keep going. I wish I could advance the civil war questline a bit to see if it's interesting. |
Bet on the North. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:15 pm |
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For lack of not knowing my female companion's name and everyone referring to Lydia I started at some point referring to her as Lydia. I now ACTUALLY HAVE Lydia. My companion was not Lydia. My companion was a lady in the tavern at whiterun that challenged me to a fist fight. Eager to punch a girl in the face, I accepted and won. Then asked her to follow me. I think she's better than Lydia - but I guess I don't know that for sure. Anyhow, she's dead now.
I'm starting to get really excited now that I can get huge sneak attack bonuses from bows and daggers. Send shit flying with an arrow or assassinate dudes with a dagger. Pretty fun. I need to get some of the larger soulstones as my best dagger also traps souls. I'm about at a point with my other skills where I might want to start working on enchanting. My excitement about poisons is basically gone. If I could mod this I would overhaul the poison alchemy. Allow for the creation of more elaborate poisons and give them names. Not just "Poison of Does Damage" or whatever. Something that makes poison creation feel more interesting and significant. Kind of wish I had a gaming PC now, but I just can't make that kind of investment for something like videogames right now when I can play plenty of fun games on console :S |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:16 pm |
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| GrimmSweeper wrote: |
| There's a startling lack of Khajiit and Bosmer bachelor[ettes] and only one Altmer woman (High Elf). You mean I can't even marry within my own race if I so choose? =/ |
Man, I really really am pleased with the animal races this time. I mean, their powers still are pretty worthless but they actually look acceptable. Additionally, they are pretty rare in this setting so it's kind of cool to be one. I'm sort of wishing I was a lizard man instead of a kitty man now though. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:39 pm |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:14 pm |
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| Whoa I have no idea what you're talking about and is a black soulstone what's required to capture humanoid souls? And, yeah, I've got an axe for backup as well for when you need to just split some guy (or girl)'s noggin. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:10 am |
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| Flylighter play my game for me I'll just sit and watch you. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:05 pm |
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| Man I'm getting kind of into this despite it's problems and I shit I have a lot to do. Might need a plan that extends beyond the one day rental I've kept out for a week. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:41 pm |
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Level 10? Jesus I'm like level 25 or something and I'm not anywhere near as good as any of you guys. What the hell is going on. (I haven't done any magic though I've only been doing sneaking skills etc.)
However, the sneaking multiplier bonuses are fun as hell. Launching/killing enemies with a single arrow. Slitting throats with a dagger. Not bad. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:49 pm |
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| I too am naming my enchanted equipment, but I'm on like... elven right now so I'm giving them not-so-ultimate names like Breezedude for my icy bow and Bitter for my icy dagger and Hawkwind for my... icy axe okay ice is the only enchantment I have right now okay. I imagine one day I'll have a fire and soul trapping bow named Lucifer :B |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:10 pm |
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| Can you capture dragon's souls? |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:44 pm |
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| Yeah I'm actually kind of disappointed not to have this for pc. I would totally play as the inevitable Daedra race mod. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:12 pm |
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| Yeah exactly I'm worried I'd make all this awesome named gear and then be out of good names by the time I have actually GOOD gear. Though Breezedude is a fucking awesome name. |
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TXTSWORD
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:06 pm |
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| Managing the quest overload has GOT to be the most stressful part of the game. They send you to new areas and there's unique events going on all over the place and related quests and everyone you talk to has a quest for you but I'm there just to do a simple task before I can continue with the mountain of shit I already have to do so there's no way I'm gunna accept that stuff now but skipping over stuff sure makes things confusing. |
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