[Kinto]

Real fun involves the moment-to-moment play be enjoyable enough to sustain a game forever, without any "metagoals".

When all you have is goals (because without them there is no short-term enjoyment that can be sustained for more than a couple hours) you really have nothing but errands.

Errands are things you have to do but you don't particularly enjoy doing, some games recognise this but instead of making the activity enjoyable they make the errand-completion enjoyable/compulsive. They get you addicted to checking off lists.

I dunno if that's illuminating to either of you but reading the last page or so reminded me of the above. It's something I think about a lot (I used to play Wow, quit cold-turkey 2 days after renewing a 6 month subscription and constantly wonder how I ever enjoyed it).
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