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108 fairy godmilf

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: oakland, california
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:25 am Post subject: i need a bluetooth keyboard |
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i want to buy a bluetooth keyboard for my computer. i need it because i need to type a lot more than the average person (i translate one or two volumes of manga a week, for money, and that's a lot of typing) and i won't be in my office at this company anymore after tomorrow. my keyboard here is starting to seriously hurt my wrists. i need something nice and heavy. i'll sit the macbook pro on my coffee table as i sit on the sofa with a wireless keyboard. i'll turn the font size up really high.
i want a japanese keyboard, yeah, because i like the font-switching buttons and generally prefer the layout.
if anyone knows a good keyboard that wouldn't hurt my wrists and is very sturdy -- i like a good click on the keys -- please let me know your recommendations. i'll then check into the availability of a japanese version.
alternatively, talk about keyboards and typing! yay! _________________
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Mikey

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Location: endless backlog
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:45 am |
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One time, I looked up chording keyboards on Wikipedia out of curiosity, which lead me to read about stenotype/stenography (I never had any idea it was actually fairly complex - I just thought they were banging away on a regular keyboard!)
Most interesting bit was that apparently most stenographers can't read each other's work because the styles become so highly personalized:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype
Halfway convinces me that I'd actually really enjoy that job. |
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Broco

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Headquarters
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:00 am |
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So your ultimate ergonomic solution is to slouch on a sofa, craning your neck towards a small screen on a too-low table, and unable to move your legs because your keyboard is balanced over them? You need to think this through a little more.
There are a lot of measures you can do to prevent computer pain. Taking regular 10-minute breaks, getting enough sleep, learning proper stretches and doing arm/back exercises at the gym, for example. Switching to a radically unorthodox posture is likely to only make things worse. |
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108 fairy godmilf

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: oakland, california
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:52 am |
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| Broco wrote: |
| So your ultimate ergonomic solution is to slouch on a sofa, craning your neck towards a small screen on a too-low table, and unable to move your legs because your keyboard is balanced over them? You need to think this through a little more. |
As something I've done for hours a week for a year or so now, I've kind of thought it through plenty.
First off, I don't look at the screen. I keep my eyes almost entirely on the manga I'm translating. I have this weird brain thing wherein I always know where the cursor is on my word processor page at any given time, and/or what it looks like. I guess it's something people develop, in offices?
I glance at the screen only when I get back from, say, bathroom breaks or whatever.
Also, I don't slouch! I have pretty good posture, okay? :(
I sit with my legs folded indian style. With a pillow behind my lower back!
Also, my sofa is kind of low. Japanese, you see.
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| There are a lot of measures you can do to prevent computer pain. Taking regular 10-minute breaks, getting enough sleep, learning proper stretches and doing arm/back exercises at the gym, for example. Switching to a radically unorthodox posture is likely to only make things worse. |
Yeah, I do arm / back / hand / finger stretches several times daily, though lately, the amount of work I'm doing on the computer is kind of starting to get to me. I think this is because of the keyboards I'm using more than anything else. I'm using some seriously terrible keyboards -- and when I have the Macbook Pro on my lap (kind of like the keyboard on that one), I feel so weirdly compelled to look at the screen. Having a wide-screen display is kind of nice, and kind of not -- I want to use all of the screen real estate for chat windows and the like.
Though yeah, the amount of work I've recently been contracted for is such that I'm going to want to do it without also chatting or what have you at the same time. _________________
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dongle

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:56 am |
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| Everyone needs the Happy Hacking Keyboard. I have the blank key top white. It's not wireless but it's the first keyboard I've used that hasn't given me problems after extended typing/coding sessions. Better than the myriad of ergonomic keyboards that I've tried, which includes everything from the standard split to exotic stuff like the Fingerworks Touchstream LP. |
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Broco

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Headquarters
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:04 am |
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| I'd approve of the Happy Hacking Keyboard if it cost 30$, but it's preposterously expensive for what it is. If I want Ctrl in that location I'll permanently remap Caps Lock using an operating system hack (there exist such hacks for Windows and Linux, google it). (And actually I prefer Esc there since I am a Vi user.) As for the absence of all those keys, that is only an advantage when you have a too-small tray, in which case the solution is a larger tray not a smaller keyboard. As for "feel", I find I can tolerate any keyboard and it doesn't make much difference ergonomically speaking. |
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negativedge banned
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:07 am |
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| I just figured out the other day that I hit the space bar with my right index finger rather than my thumbs. I always though I used my left thumb. Seriously. How the fuck does one take, like, ten years to figure out how they've typed millions of words? |
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Persona-sama artistically unofficial

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: cosmic eternity
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:09 am |
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| Mikey wrote: |
One time, I looked up chording keyboards on Wikipedia out of curiosity, which lead me to read about stenotype/stenography (I never had any idea it was actually fairly complex - I just thought they were banging away on a regular keyboard!)
Most interesting bit was that apparently most stenographers can't read each other's work because the styles become so highly personalized:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype
Halfway convinces me that I'd actually really enjoy that job. |
Man, one night my friend and I totally came up with an idea to improve typing speed that involved chording out words on a super sensitive keyboard designed like a piano and we were wondering why no one else has ever thought of it before.
Fuck. _________________
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Waffen

Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Location: straining on a toilet
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:46 am |
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Tim- get the apple wireless bluetooth keyboard.
I've got it and its good. had it for months and months and I haven't changed the batteries on it.
I got the apple bluetooth mighty mouse too. it kicks arse. _________________ PSN Online ID: SylentButDeadly |
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108 fairy godmilf

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: oakland, california
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:03 am |
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| Waffen wrote: |
Tim- get the apple wireless bluetooth keyboard.
I've got it and its good. had it for months and months and I haven't changed the batteries on it. |
It doesn't snap enough for me. I need much more of a click. Maybe this is because I type more than you!?
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| I got the apple bluetooth mighty mouse too. it kicks arse. |
Yeah, I got one of those fuckers! It's pretty good shit!! _________________
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dongle

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: Berkeley, CA
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:13 am |
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| Broco wrote: |
| I'd approve of the Happy Hacking Keyboard if it cost 30$, but it's preposterously expensive for what it is. |
I got it as a gift, not knowing how expensive it was. Shit. Wow. |
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another god
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:27 am |
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| Waffen wrote: |
Tim- get the apple wireless bluetooth keyboard.
I've got it and its good. had it for months and months and I haven't changed the batteries on it.
I got the apple bluetooth mighty mouse too. it kicks arse. |
Do you use those on a Mac? The apple bluetooth keyboard looks good and is cheaper than any other bluetoothkeyboard I've seen. But I run WinXP... _________________ interdimensional |
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Kappuru forum bishonen

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:07 am |
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apple wireless keyboard works on a pc.. at least on my laptop. _________________
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Waffen

Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Location: straining on a toilet
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:45 pm |
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I just use my wireless keyboard on my imac at home for graphic design.
no serious stenography or anything.
and yeah, the mighty mouse kicks all kinds of ass. its a little heavy but the little ball is badass. _________________ PSN Online ID: SylentButDeadly |
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Wilkes the lester bangs of selectbutton posting

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: i'm here.
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:12 pm |
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| tim, I heard you type inconceivably fast. is this true? |
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Levi

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:13 am |
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I find that I do not enjoy typing on laptop keyboards. Not enough clatter. I like to feel those keys shudder as my finger forces their sensitive hymens to rip and bleed under the onslaught of my intense adjectives.
Mac keyboards also suck. |
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108 fairy godmilf

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: oakland, california
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:57 pm |
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| Wilkes wrote: |
| tim, I heard you type inconceivably fast. is this true? |
hell yeah
took me a nanosecond to type this _________________
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gooktime

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: no
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:13 pm |
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The Apple keyboard is legendary, bluetooth or not.
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| Mac keyboards also suck. |
Apart from Apple keyboards, I think the Happy Hacking Keyboard is the only one that hasn't got 900 keys for things like OPEN MICROSOFT OUTLOOK and giant LED's showing what time it is. |
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les meat

Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Location: The sea
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:01 am |
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| gooktime wrote: |
The Apple keyboard is legendary, bluetooth or not.
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| Mac keyboards also suck. |
Apart from Apple keyboards, I think the Happy Hacking Keyboard is the only one that hasn't got 900 keys for things like OPEN MICROSOFT OUTLOOK and giant LED's showing what time it is. |
god i hate retard keys on keyboards (deserving of such a title because they're a horrible product of that gimmicky late 90s multimedia pc phase, yet became pretty much a standard for god knows what reason!)
a guy I work with has one of those moronic logitech media bluetooth things, it sits less than 20 CM away from his monitor which has a USB plug, yet the other day he had to run to the store because the power had run out and he was all "OH I MENTIONED WE NEEDED BATTERIES WEEKS AGO!"
fucking idiot, it never leaves your desk.
I'm a big fan of the mac keyboards, MORE MODIFIER KEYS! LESS MORONIC EMAIL AND WEBCAM KEYS!
Simplicity and functionality all the way. Also has nice clicky keys (but not too clicky so you don't feel like your on a Coleco) and the Command (Mac equivalent of CTRL) is nearer to the keys, not as far away as possible from the keys as is the standard with generic PC keyboards therefore you become a shortcut god in about a month. Also Caps lock light is on the key, not in some place thats convenient to cut costs.
Nice touches like that really add up. _________________

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Broco

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Headquarters
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:10 am |
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| Actually, right now I'm just using the Microsoft Basic Keyboard at home. Dirt cheap, large keys, compact, quiet, and only has three "retard keys". The only big problem with it is that it's PS/2 only. |
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108 fairy godmilf

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: oakland, california
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:30 am |
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| les meat wrote: |
| gooktime wrote: |
The Apple keyboard is legendary, bluetooth or not.
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| Mac keyboards also suck. |
Apart from Apple keyboards, I think the Happy Hacking Keyboard is the only one that hasn't got 900 keys for things like OPEN MICROSOFT OUTLOOK and giant LED's showing what time it is. |
god i hate retard keys on keyboards (deserving of such a title because they're a horrible product of that gimmicky late 90s multimedia pc phase, yet became pretty much a standard for god knows what reason |
Well, my Macbook Pro has some sorta "retarded" keys for volume control, brightness control, et cetera, though I think they're super-tasteful.
Still, though, yeah. I have this Microsoft Natural keyboard for the longest time and for some reason or another would keep hitting the fucking sleep key, and that was not a good situation. _________________
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Broco

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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:34 am |
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| Yeah, volume control is the only useful non-standard key. |
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les meat

Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Location: The sea
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:25 am |
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| 108 wrote: |
| les meat wrote: |
| gooktime wrote: |
The Apple keyboard is legendary, bluetooth or not.
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| Mac keyboards also suck. |
Apart from Apple keyboards, I think the Happy Hacking Keyboard is the only one that hasn't got 900 keys for things like OPEN MICROSOFT OUTLOOK and giant LED's showing what time it is. |
god i hate retard keys on keyboards (deserving of such a title because they're a horrible product of that gimmicky late 90s multimedia pc phase, yet became pretty much a standard for god knows what reason |
Well, my Macbook Pro has some sorta "retarded" keys for volume control, brightness control, et cetera, though I think they're super-tasteful.
Still, though, yeah. I have this Microsoft Natural keyboard for the longest time and for some reason or another would keep hitting the fucking sleep key, and that was not a good situation. |
Those are different, they avoid including that functionality anywhere else on the case which would just look crap. Function keys are a bit of a relic anyway so its ok to use them for something else, and brightness/volume are hardware functions while loading email and controlling a media player are software functions and should use regular shortcut keys.
A lot of laptops choose to have a long row of tacky little buttons just above the keyboard to control brightness and stuff, looks rubbish so I don't mind them on the macbook range.
This is an example of media key crapness on a laptop. _________________
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gooktime

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: no
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:33 pm |
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I want one of these, but I can't find anywhere selling them in the UK, or not overcharging for shipping. |
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les meat

Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Location: The sea
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:33 pm |
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That looks fucking ace gooktime, and the Command/Ctrl key is where it should be. What is it?
That could be awesome with a few adjustments, I love flat keyboards _________________
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gooktime

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: no
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:57 pm |
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Happy Hacking Keyboard Lite. There's a USB hub on the back like the Apple keyboard, too.
http://www.linuxemporium.co.uk/products/keyboards/ did have stock at one point for £60 or so but now they just have the pro version for £100+ or something ridiculous. |
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Waffen

Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Location: straining on a toilet
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:18 pm |
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| 108 wrote: |
| les meat wrote: |
| gooktime wrote: |
The Apple keyboard is legendary, bluetooth or not.
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| Mac keyboards also suck. |
Apart from Apple keyboards, I think the Happy Hacking Keyboard is the only one that hasn't got 900 keys for things like OPEN MICROSOFT OUTLOOK and giant LED's showing what time it is. |
god i hate retard keys on keyboards (deserving of such a title because they're a horrible product of that gimmicky late 90s multimedia pc phase, yet became pretty much a standard for god knows what reason |
Well, my Macbook Pro has some sorta "retarded" keys for volume control, brightness control, et cetera, though I think they're super-tasteful. |
I honestly couldn't see myself living without those few extra 'tard buttons on the mac keyboards.
brightness control is great, i'm always turning it down a notch or two at night and i'm constantly listening to music so volume control is key too.
then you've got eject which is convenient too and that about sums it up. _________________ PSN Online ID: SylentButDeadly |
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another god
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:24 pm |
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All of those keyboards have wires. _________________ interdimensional |
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