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Dark Age Iron Savior king of finders

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: Spacecraft, Juanelia Country
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:39 pm |
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Okami HD is out.
It's twenty fucking dollars |
how much do you think it should be? |
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Moogs
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:40 pm |
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| oh god it gets all gears of war and raiden walks slowly with his finger to his ear while someone talks to him |
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Moogs
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:49 pm |
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| what the fuck this game is hard |
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Moogs
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:58 pm |
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| Dark Age Iron Savior wrote: |
| Moogs wrote: |
Okami HD is out.
It's twenty fucking dollars |
how much do you think it should be? |
less than that.
but then capcom is also charging $20 for Jojo HD, so nevermind, i guess. |
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:23 pm |
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Oh man, this is great news. Dreamfall ended so terribly. _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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Felix unofficial repository
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:00 pm |
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| I'm considering ZoE HD but it'd have to be just the second game downloadable (because for some reason "I never cared enough to finish it back when" translates to enthusiasm), and that's like, $15 a year from now. guh. |
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Toptube Anti-cabbage Party Candidate
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:52 am |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
Oh man, this is great news. Dreamfall ended so terribly. |
GOOD NEWS |
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smartblue Ph. D in Awesome

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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:27 pm |
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Kind of worried about Zone of the Enders 2 HD, I seem to recall seeing a video on youtube showing it had some framerate issues. :(
edit for proof: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19223104 _________________
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Moogs
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:28 pm |
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Apparently only the PS3 version has the frame rate problems.
Also, if you thought the 360 dashboard couldn't get any worse, look at the new design for the PS store. |
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Gironika

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Dragon Range
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:31 pm |
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| Moogs wrote: |
| Also, if you thought the 360 dashboard couldn't get any worse, look at the new design for the PS store. |
oh. is that why singstar app is suddenly stuck in the games xmb-category? brother told me he's unable to delete the thing nor start it; and he doesn't exactly want to plugin network-cable for god-knows-what-might-happen-then.
i'm thinking about either ditching buying a PS3 at all or homebrewing the shit out of it as soon as I get one, since i am already hating the x360 for doing that. _________________
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Rud31 forum ruler of Iraq

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Rud31 forum ruler of Iraq

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Rud31 forum ruler of Iraq

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sponkmonkey

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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:12 am |
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The best part about the new store layout is that browsing actually causes slowdown. I kiiind of like how the search function works though. Also, yeah, Singstar is now permanently a part of your menu lol _________________
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BotageL pretty anime princess

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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:34 am |
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Us Americans don't get the permanent Singstar, I don't think. Thank goodness. _________________
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Moogs
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 2:53 am |
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| Anyone else think the confirmation beep in the store sounds like it was ripped from Silent Hill? |
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Felix unofficial repository
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 4:26 am |
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| Gironika wrote: |
| Moogs wrote: |
| Also, if you thought the 360 dashboard couldn't get any worse, look at the new design for the PS store. |
oh. is that why singstar app is suddenly stuck in the games xmb-category? brother told me he's unable to delete the thing nor start it; and he doesn't exactly want to plugin network-cable for god-knows-what-might-happen-then.
i'm thinking about either ditching buying a PS3 at all or homebrewing the shit out of it as soon as I get one, since i am already hating the x360 for doing that. |
PS3 CFW is great as far as I know, but I think you're put in the position of having to pirate everything since you can no longer download from the store, which is :(
that and you need an older model console to root it |
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zombieman000
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:33 am |
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| smartblue wrote: |
Kind of worried about Zone of the Enders 2 HD, I seem to recall seeing a video on youtube showing it had some framerate issues. :(
edit for proof: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19223104 |
Hoping for a patch. I guess Bluepoint Games/Hexadrive/x quality HD port developer were too busy to handle this :(
But aside from the VR training and some early spots/the Callisto intro it honestly didn't seem that noticeable. Not as bad as Silent Hill HD at least. |
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Toptube Anti-cabbage Party Candidate
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:08 am |
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| This late in the game, not buying a PS3 because the PS store sucks to use is stupid. It has always sucked to use. |
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Gironika

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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:30 am |
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it's not the store, it's sony doing whatever they want with the thing.
Microsoft does so, too, and I have pretty much already broken the ToS just because I fitted a pair of Noctuas at the back of my 360 instead of the horrible original fans. And I am slightly annoyed that they redesign the UI every year, pushing even more advertisements on the home screen, forcing you to sift through new ToS-texts out of the blue.
Not accepting them means offline only for you. Being "forced" to pirating everything isn't exactly a thing one wants to do in the first place, I don't want to look around online if game X is ripped in language Y and/or if things are cut from version Z if I could buy it legally. But if you want to opt out of using a fucking firmware update that diminishes the "user experience" due to exciting new features delivering rich content for users to explore, you are pretty much forced to do this.
I can then go the PC-route anyway. _________________
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SuperWes

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:48 pm |
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The problem with this argument is that from a technical perspective what you're asking from them is ridiculously hard, and definitely not worth it. Offering new web-service-based features that a majority of players are going to want while offering full backwards compatibility to previous versions of those services is almost impossible if you want to guarantee that they will continue to work. It also means that your local and remote databases can never change in a destructive way, so you'd end up with hundreds of places where things are done in multiple ways, making it difficult to continue to add features. Things like expanding the friend count beyond 100, which was originally impossible because they had to persist backwards compatibility with the original Xbox would be the case with every single feature.
So yeah! "Why can't I opt out of change and remain online" is pretty much an argument you have to lose whenever you're talking about online. Change is inevitable, important, and exciting and you're going to have to either accept it or live in a disconnected world.
-Wes _________________
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Felix unofficial repository
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:07 pm |
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| zombieman000 wrote: |
| smartblue wrote: |
Kind of worried about Zone of the Enders 2 HD, I seem to recall seeing a video on youtube showing it had some framerate issues. :(
edit for proof: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm19223104 |
Hoping for a patch. I guess Bluepoint Games/Hexadrive/x quality HD port developer were too busy to handle this :(
But aside from the VR training and some early spots/the Callisto intro it honestly didn't seem that noticeable. Not as bad as Silent Hill HD at least. |
it still blows my mind that they basically use a dynarec to make these hd ports, w/o source. |
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Swimmy

Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:31 pm |
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| SuperWes wrote: |
The problem with this argument is that from a technical perspective what you're asking from them is ridiculously hard, and definitely not worth it. Offering new web-service-based features that a majority of players are going to want while offering full backwards compatibility to previous versions of those services is almost impossible if you want to guarantee that they will continue to work. It also means that your local and remote databases can never change in a destructive way, so you'd end up with hundreds of places where things are done in multiple ways, making it difficult to continue to add features. Things like expanding the friend count beyond 100, which was originally impossible because they had to persist backwards compatibility with the original Xbox would be the case with every single feature.
So yeah! "Why can't I opt out of change and remain online" is pretty much an argument you have to lose whenever you're talking about online. Change is inevitable, important, and exciting and you're going to have to either accept it or live in a disconnected world.
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But when I last turned my XBox on, right on the home screen I was greeted with the mugs of Bronco Bama and Mitt Romney. Unacceptable. _________________
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Rud31 forum ruler of Iraq

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Gironika

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:47 am |
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| SuperWes wrote: |
| The problem with this argument is that from a technical perspective what you're asking from them is ridiculously hard, and definitely not worth it. Offering new web-service-based features that a majority of players are going to want while offering full backwards compatibility to previous versions of those services is almost impossible if you want to guarantee that they will continue to work. It also means that your local and remote databases can never change in a destructive way, so you'd end up with hundreds of places where things are done in multiple ways, making it difficult to continue to add features. Things like expanding the friend count beyond 100, which was originally impossible because they had to persist backwards compatibility with the original Xbox would be the case with every single feature. |
There's a difference between
- fixing things for the sake of making something work
- and adding things because it shall now do that, too.
I am not longing for the old days when the blade-menu of the 360 "was the best" as some purists might do. Even if I do not watch netflix or what-have-you on my xbox, it's a good thing that they deliver on that end instead of promising and not doing anything.
It's just that after introducing the first few firmware updates and ironing out the kinks, they could have left it. Why changing the thing year after year? Remember when movie playback was broken in a fw-update? Unnecessary, to say the least.
I realise that Microsoft tries to streamline their offerings to give them a corporate identity UI no matter what people are using - and I have to admit that I actually like the Lumias and Win7, and if I had the cash, I probably would have bought one already.
I also see that MS wants to span the time until the new 720 comes out, and giving the 360-UI a new look might do the trick.
However, one of the first things one learns in CS, namely that designing things in such a way that the software works <even> when exchanging components, is pretty much always something the client wants. Obviously no company does really care about that, I know I know.
And sure, Netcode needs to be optimized like hell and every microsecond counts™, but even web-based-stuff doesn't break all the time just because someone adds new futures.
Designing software in such a way that you would have to update the whole backend <and> frontend every time you want to change a feature, like adding a browser … that does not sound like a proper design process has taken place before the thing was shipped, yes?
I have not seen that many software products/a good grasp of what they wanted to do and what the design looks like of professional software, since nobody throws their code around for everyone to see. But I have seen a number of (embedded) software-modules used in the wild that I can differ between "we're lazy/unexperienced/have a deadline looming and mash up functionality" vs "leave that msec away and keep the thing simple&clean, if possible".
So "deal with it, we're breaking the whole thing every year" is a lazy attitude, no matter how exciting brand new media-rich content delivered to your fingertips might be. _________________
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Lick Meth

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:14 am |
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| SuperWes wrote: |
The problem with this argument is that from a technical perspective what you're asking from them is ridiculously hard, and definitely not worth it. Offering new web-service-based features that a majority of players are going to want while offering full backwards compatibility to previous versions of those services is almost impossible if you want to guarantee that they will continue to work. It also means that your local and remote databases can never change in a destructive way, so you'd end up with hundreds of places where things are done in multiple ways, making it difficult to continue to add features. Things like expanding the friend count beyond 100, which was originally impossible because they had to persist backwards compatibility with the original Xbox would be the case with every single feature.
So yeah! "Why can't I opt out of change and remain online" is pretty much an argument you have to lose whenever you're talking about online. Change is inevitable, important, and exciting and you're going to have to either accept it or live in a disconnected world.
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I turn on my PS3 and I don't get adverts like that. I am pretty certain that I don't have to worry about such blatantly instrusive ads in the future on the PS3, so it sounds like a more reasonable "online" future than the 360. |
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Lick Meth

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Felix unofficial repository
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:19 pm |
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guys the Xbox 360 has always been a disgusting piece of consumer electronics and you shouldn't have bought one
Sony hasn't got a lot of things but relative class is one of them
(I have little/no problem with Windows apart from it not shipping with bash or python) |
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boojiboy7 narcissistic irony-laden twat

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:30 pm |
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...or you could just use it to play games, of which there are a lot that aren't on Sony's thing, sadly. I say this as a guy with both, who hates them both for their own reasons, but let's not pretend either is less desirous of your wallet, just one has a clearly more explicit effort on. Sony would be just as bad, except they are so disorganized as a compnay that they can't get it together to do that (see: how movies owned by Sony were available on the Xbox long before the ps3.) Since the launch of the PS3, sony has added in adverts for PSN on almost every tab of the dashboard (honest, as an owner of a first gen ps3, it really sucked when those showed up), and the never ending scroll bar of PSN ads at the top right (again, it was so nice without that, fuck that thing). Oh, and a pay service, though one I admit is better than XBLive easily, and hasn't yet started charging for online play in games, though Sony hasn't ruled out that it will eventually.
MS has done their fair share of creepy shit too, and maybe even moreso, but let's not pretend Sony is some benevolent god of consumer electronics. I mean, Sony is the company that fucked over a lot of their users (including the Air Force) with the Linux thing out of sheer commercial desire (GOTTA FIGHT DEM PIRATES...and how is that going?). Let's not even get started with how much of my PS3's life has been spent downloading dash updates (shit, it wasn't till version 2.X that I finally didn't have to download EVERY SINGLE UPDATE each time, jesus god how did that happen) and how the PSP updates only had the effect of punishing legit customers because of commercial fear. |
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mauve

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:41 pm |
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And people wonder why I harp on about open platforms so much nowadays. This PS3 of mine is likely to be the last console I get for a very long time. (Hey remember when Sony was progressive and made OtherOS a thing? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)
I hear Steam is going in on this Linux thing. Bye everything else, nice knowing you. _________________ twit |
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Loki Laufeyson fps fragmaster

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another god
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:57 pm |
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The shit counter is so high on both sides that booji is no longer counting the shits coming from either end. _________________ interdimensional |
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boojiboy7 narcissistic irony-laden twat

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:05 pm |
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| The shit counter is so high on both sides that booji is no longer counting the shits coming from either end. |
basically yeah.
i mean, both companies have found new ways to be asshats this generation. the only way nintendo got by was by making something nobody but benren gave a shit about in the end, so they didn't have a chance to fuck us, except from the start. |
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Takashi

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thestage banned
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:07 pm |
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the worst part of this isn't even it being the most invasion and fucking stupid DRM ever conceived, it's the creepy levels of consumer demographics that they're looking for. the thing will undoubtedly look at you and report to home base about what it sees, which will then be sold off to every company in the world so that target doesn't doesn't only know that you're pregnant before you know that you're pregnant, but can display a congratulations! banner on your xbox too. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:37 pm |
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| So this has apparently been out for a while, but only now found out about it, so: |
The quality of the writing on the most basic, syntactic level is irredeemably dreadful. Really quite a shame because I hyped the fuck out over the presentation and the love they put into it, but they are simply not skilled English speakers. Much of the text in the opening sequence is outright laughable, but I can't quote any right now. |
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:09 pm |
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the worst part of this isn't even it being the most invasion and fucking stupid DRM ever conceived, it's the creepy levels of consumer demographics that they're looking for. the thing will undoubtedly look at you and report to home base about what it sees, which will then be sold off to every company in the world so that target doesn't doesn't only know that you're pregnant before you know that you're pregnant, but can display a congratulations! banner on your xbox too. |
You've completely lost your mind. |
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thestage banned
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:18 pm |
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| thestage wrote: |
the worst part of this isn't even it being the most invasion and fucking stupid DRM ever conceived, it's the creepy levels of consumer demographics that they're looking for. the thing will undoubtedly look at you and report to home base about what it sees, which will then be sold off to every company in the world so that target doesn't doesn't only know that you're pregnant before you know that you're pregnant, but can display a congratulations! banner on your xbox too. |
You've completely lost your mind. |
this shit happens all the time, it's nothing new or radical. what, is MS doing this so they can call the police in case a black man criminal enters your apartment? but I guess it's just a massive coincidence that the internet keeps telling me to take the GRE, right?
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Dark Age Iron Savior king of finders

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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:20 pm |
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| negde play Goblet Grotto |
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Felix unofficial repository
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Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:25 pm |
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Sony has never really behaved any worse than a disorganized shambling giant media company might be expected to
admittedly I hold a massive grudge against the Xbox division of Microsoft (I feel obliged to point out even though this is a videogaming forum that this runs opposed to my constant role as apologist for Microsoft the software company, what with working with a bunch of old crusty open source nerds despite myself having been born in the 80s and grown up with Windows and even working for TechNet for a little while there) for introducing achievements, which I will never not regard as insulting. but every time I look at an 360 interface I feel like I'm writing bad DFW fanfiction about an advertising-fueled dystopia which is constantly trying to make me dumber than I am, and (even though I held out on buying a PS3 until a year ago), Sony at least never makes me feel that way.
also, while this is irrelevant to people who don't like PC gaming (lol get some control issues and you might feel differently), the number of really worthwhile, exclusive not-on-PC PS3 games (5ish) is more than the number of really worthwhile, exclusive not-on-PC 360 games (3ish).
I understand that I'm not being altogether objective at the end of the day, but fuck the 360.
on an unrelated note, it is a major bummer that the DMC HD collection apparently doesn't support custom soundtracks. I tried playing the damn game on the PS2 years ago but couldn't stand the music; I then spent hours cutting up ogg vorbis tracks on the PC version but couldn't stand missing half the lighting effects, and now I thought I might finally get an acceptable release, but no. |
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