[notbov]

It'd probably be cheaper to get some cheap weapons with sockets and jam some upgraded amethysts in them.

My monk is sitting on about 560 on all resists and 6k armor (diabro tip: search all resist and an elemental resist you want to stack and get double the resists for your monies)

She still gets sat down by bees in act 2

Meanwhile, I decided to see what stacking +attack speed and a two-hander would do on my barb

At first, it was funny. Then I hit 40 and got the rune where Wrath also adds double damage and I do nearly 3x damage on crits (so, 6x damage on crits with Wrath popped) and things just got silly.
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The other day I saw another barb using some crazy weapon throw build where he just hurled his crazy DPS 2h axe at things and destroyed them.
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[Flylighter]

Went to hit the forums to see when patch 1.0.3 is going to hit, because it sounds awesome and I can't wait.



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[boojiboy7]

It's so strange reading about people who can take hits. I can solo most of Act 1 Inferno with my DH now, regularly see above 20,000 on my crit hits (sitting at about 15k, after for some reason my dps just spontaneously dropped a lot from the image two pages ago (thanks patches?)), and have less than 200 resistance on everything, and no armor at all. Learning to not get hit is actually a lot of fun.

I am building a Barbarian though (somewhere in the early 40s level wise right now) and that is fun.

[nothingxs]

thanks for censoring it flylighter i was really worried i would be offended :)
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[thestage]

The patch will probably make different gearing strategies more viable, yeah, but if I know blizzard it will be a much smaller step than they are making it out to be. I will say this: any time you buy a piece of gear that ups your resistance significantly, go fiddle around in act 2 again. you will immediately notice a significant difference in survivability. same with the armor passives, really. I rolled one of the armor passives (whichever gave more armor at a given time), superstition, and berserker rage forever, but TEH THEORYCRAFTS eventually convinced me to swap superstition with the other armor passive and it was quite noticeable. I only say maybe on superstition because you might want full defensive passives (I think berserker rage is too good to drop until the game convinces me otherwise, really) at which point its probably a better bet than juggernaut. it is also possible that at certain gear levels superstition + armor would be better than double armor, but that's pretty unlikely.

[Flylighter]

Remember that if you're suggesting running both armor passives, you actually DON'T want to shed vitality, because it hurts the effectiveness of Nerves of Steel.

Case in point, exhibit Whoa:



Nerves of Steel would add 255 armor here. Pop a pair of Star Amethysts (not outlandishly expensive) in the sockets for 92 more vitality, and you've suddenly got a pair of pants that gives your barbarian 12,145 life BEFORE life% mods, and a total of 1451 armor BEFORE Tough as Nails.
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[thestage]

downside: those pants would probably cost you 30 million gold if you got lucky

[nothingxs]

Holy fuckpants
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[klj5j6li]

So do I have to choose between being a high-damage guy who dies in one hit or a slightly more survivable guy who does no damage, or is there a class that's a middle ground? Because both of those things seem kind of boring to me.

[boojiboy7]

Well, the thing with the DH is that he has a lot of tools for survival, they just are all based around "don't get hit".

[remote]

The monk seems to be the best middle ground, as I was saying. Wizards have several ways of soaking up damage, too. Maybe witch doctors as well? I think tank barbs and demon hunters are the only ones so polarized on the damage:survivability spectrum. Either way, none of it is exactly boring! Demon hunters dish out tons of damage, especially when they can handle avoidance and crowd control properly. Every fight against inferno elites is, for a barbarian, a struggle to keep your health up while ideally maintaining as much control of the pack as possible. It's a little chaotic since there's no taunt — the best equivalent might be the ground stomp with the wrenching smash rune, which pulls enemies toward you and stuns them for 4 seconds (and monks have cyclone strike) — so even with a barbarian or monk doing his best to tank, as a wizard, DH, or WD you're gonna need to CC and dodge things as much as possible while dealing damaging attacks. I dunno. When it's happening and it all clicks together it is fun.
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Huh, so the RMAH is already up today. Wasn't expecting that. Stormshields ranging from $40 to $250 USD. Hoping that'll drive the gold prices down a bit, but I also wonder if it could drive prices back up as items move to the RMAH and become scarcer on the regular AH...
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[thestage]

be prepared for absurd inflation. this game's economy is already wacked to hell and back.

I'd also imagine every seller thinks their precious item is worth more than anyone is ever going to pay for it, especially in a flooded market. what is $250 today will be $15 in two weeks. fake infinite gold can inflate from now to the reckoning, but Real American Dollars will find some wall.

[notbov]

Personally, I'm hoping at some point a ladder comes into being or a reset happens or something to stop the current trajectory of rampant oncoming inflation and item-market flooding.
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[CubaLibre]

The stability offered by the RMAH I think will also stabilize the gold auction house. People will eventually think, well, I can pay 10 bucks for this amazing rare or 30 million gold. In terms of hourly rates it's literally more economical to buy it real money. That'll suppress gold prices to some multiplier (for "freeness") of the real money price.

@remote: No, I think the LoH stacking applies to anyone that can dual wield though I haven't tested it. Despite the fact that a lot of the monk attack animations don't actually use the weapons, they still use all the weapon stats on alternating hits just like everyone else. I can't possibly imagine that there'd be different DW mechanics for different classes.

As for monks being a "middle of the road" type class... not in inferno. At a gear level just barely sufficient to survive, you do no DPS just like barbs; at a higher gear level where you can start putting on offensive abilites, you do decent DPS just like barbs.
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[remote]

So we know that wizards and demon hunters deal crazy damage and all that — how about witch doctors? Are they just good DPS and CC in Inferno?

I've got a few things up on the RMAH. Pretty good items for a couple bucks each. One really good one for about $15. We'll see how that goes. I may have said it before, but if I could break even on what I paid for the game I think that would be pretty rad. If I could make even more than that, maybe I wouldn't mind spending a few bucks on one of the many Stormshields (et al) continuously up on the GAH for zillions of golds.
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[Flylighter]

If I had a smartphone I'd try to sell a few things on the RMAH and buy Starcraft II with it. But I don't, and I'm not paying $6.50 for a keychain authenticator.

Unless... you don't need the authenticator to sell stuff, only to add funds? I haven't checked, honestly.


What's making me laugh hard at the moment is that they implemented a game-per-time limit, which exists in Diablo II. It's SUPPOSED to stop people who are just entering games, killing treasure goblins, and leaving. But if you've ever tried to play a public inferno game, you know it takes like 10 tries to find a group that can progress, and that's impossible now with the current restrictions. Looking for a rare spawn for your secret level staff? Looking for an area for an achievement? Tough luck, bub. You play the game how we want you to play, now.

The funniest part? You were able to actually cancel auctions AFTER the 5-minute grace period, by turning your COMPUTER CLOCK backwards! Year 2000 shareware-level shit, right there. Well known, well documented, Blizzard knows.

You wanna get around the game-per-time limit? Turn your computer clock FORWARDS. Good game, Blizzard.

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ya my main guy is a WD right now.

my first 60 was monk and I coasted through hell with a weird build that gained a ton of spirit without even attacking (templar was required so I couldn't group play with it) and loaded up damage on the 8-way bell-stomp and spammed it over and over while running away and occasionally using deadly reach for the 3rd hit damage boost.
Then inferno was pretty much impossible with my templar dying over and over and enemies getting a speed boost with no low-cooldown snares to stop them... so I sold all my gear and tried to re-gear correctly with a more standard monk build, but then couldn't even kill elites in hell anymore... so I re-rolled =/



Ive been having WAY more fun in this game with Hardcore mode actually. I have yet to get to hell with a HC character but every battle is a lot of fun! rather than zoning out until you see something glowing to fight and then yawning your way through bosses.
My Barb seems to be the star of HC mode atm, revenge is just so powerful compared to almost every other heal in the game. She is nearing the end of nightmare, which I might grind through once or twice more before going into hell to help a bit with gear and levels.

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[CubaLibre]

Flylighter's brother does, if the price is right.

I'm DWing with my monk right now actually, for the LoH boost. It actually doesn't work terribly in Act 2. But we kind of suspended our Act 2 game because, cmon, it's bullshit, and we're levelling new dudes instead. Maybe my shiny new DH will be able to blow through and get some gear/make some money for my monk.
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[thestage]

but they slipped in the inferno group damage nerf with 1.03 so you guys can probably make pretty good progress by spamming everything down

also you have to play those characters because now I can join in on my barbarian and progress instead of playing catchup with my wizard which I don't like to play solo at all fuck in solo that class is like SO WHAT IF YOU TOOK A DEMON HUNTER AND THEN GAVE THEM LESS RANGE AND NO DODGE AND REPLACED ALL THE COOL MOVEMENT AND CC AND KITING OPTIONS WITH WORSE MOVEMENT AND CC AND KITING OPTIONS?!?

or you could have at least made hardcore characters my DH is sitting at like 23 or something

[thestage]

oh man I just logged on I have 800 gold and all of my auctions failed and I can't even afford to repair my shit

seriously I don't get people who are like YEAH I FARM ACT I INFERNO MAKE ABOUT A MILLION A DAY I DUNNO THIS SUCKS

I mean, I can't get anything to sell at 10k how the fuck do you make a million a day on butcher runs

[diplo]

This game sounds like doing taxes

[thestage]

oh and tell flylighter's bro I'll sell the SoE for a million gold. 14% reduction, 87 STR, 27 int, 19 all resist, 79 loh, 265 armor. paid 1.3 for it like two days ago lol I'm so good

[a pair of gators]

this thread makes this game sound horrible and i've been playing it a lot

[a pair of gators]

oh boy a new friend request from "POWERLEVEL 1-60 ONLY 89$"

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[remote]

Man I don't think it's bad. It's got some problems, but... I enjoyed Torchlight, and this is like Torchlight with co-op and silly bullet hell monsters. Fun.

That said, I'm still looking forward to seeing how Torchlight II compares. Will any of you be playing that?
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[radish]

I'll probably end up getting it. It looks like a good time.
I like Diablo too though. I doubt I'll ever beat inferno, but I feel like I got my money's worth.

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[remote]

try the weapon throw build if you have a good enough weapon
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[thestage]

but you need diverse and specialized gear to play diverse and specialized builds, regardless of what difficulty level you are arbitrarily selecting as the target. maybe you want to try a build that revolves around crits in some way--well, that means you are going to need a lot of crit gear. and that crit gear is going to cost you, whether you plan on playing inferno or not. sure, you can beat hell without getting that gear--but you can also beat it without that build. see what I'm saying?