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Teflon



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:56 pm        Reply with quote

BenoitRen wrote:
Don't buy a PSVita. It'll still be around years from now and at a cheaper price. Same for its games. Why pay more when you can wait and pay less? Seriously.


Why didn't you wait until 2015 to snag a Wii on the cheap?


I want to like Gravity Rush (it's so coooool *swoon*) but moving around is kind of cumbersome and unsatisfying for a game about moving around.
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notbov



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:10 pm        Reply with quote

Moving around has only been an issue with me so far with gravity sliding (until I figured out how you're supposed to hold the system to get it to recognize the tilting, at which point I human-Tokyo difted all over the place) and with the races. The fake flying you can do with gravity is satisfying when you realize you're actually falling everywhere.

Also, why didn't anyone tell me MotorStorm RC was still free. And awesome.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:48 pm        Reply with quote

Teflon wrote:
I want to like Gravity Rush (it's so coooool *swoon*) but moving around is kind of cumbersome and unsatisfying for a game about moving around.

This is crazy talk! The only time it's ever been a problem for me is when I'm in a battle, and that's only because bastard flying things jump out of the way while you're gravity kicking them. Other than that you can basically just gravity into the sky, pick a destination, and gravity there. Just tap R every time you need to make an adjustment.

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BenoitRen
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 9:43 pm        Reply with quote

Teflon wrote:
Why didn't you wait until 2015 to snag a Wii on the cheap?

Because I won one in a contest. Go me.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:03 pm        Reply with quote










I kind of want a Vita. What stores tend to have good Labor Day sales on this kind of stuff?
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notbov



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:03 pm        Reply with quote

A bunch of stores have been running Vita+4GB card+game on and off for the past month. You might be able to get one of those deals.

Alternatively, camp Amazon's warehouse outlet thing and you can snag a wifi model for ~$160.

I'm all over the RO Merc Edition; it makes up for the game being delayed to October and already being out in English (HK version).
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:38 pm        Reply with quote

Its sad, if that Persona bundle had some cool crap I'd have checked it out.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:40 pm        Reply with quote

What are those other two games?
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:57 pm        Reply with quote

it's two packs for one game: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJMax_Technika_Tune
Note how the upper one has korea textums on it. The series developer is in South Korea.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:58 pm        Reply with quote

Those are the Korean and Japanese special editions for DJ Max Technika Tune, a Vita port of the arcade game DJ Max Technika. The previous DJ Max games got generous limited editions (evidence 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) so the Vita game is just continuing the trend. I honestly have no idea how it's going to play on the Vita! It's such a small screen compared to the arcade but your fingers are the same size.
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notbov



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:35 am        Reply with quote

Well, the wiki article says they're gonna use the rear touchpad as well, and I've heard they would be tweaking song layouts to fit the Vita, but I don't know. I don't trust that rear touchpad much...
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 4:39 am        Reply with quote

Sound Shapes community levels seem to have shot up in quality overnight. Or, more likely, they tweaked their sorting algorithm to make it so the first page isn't full of "Mario 1-1" and suchlike that tend to clutter up these kinds of games.

There's a Fukushima power plant level that I just clicked out of a morbid sense of curiosity, pretty sure that it was just going to be some slapped together vaguely offensive thing just trying to get traction out of the concept. It was kinda that, but it was also really friggin' evocative! Through level design! And music! The "Shadow of the Colossus" level is also really good and has nothing really to do with the eponymous game. The creator's other levels are also brilliant, though virtually no one has played them. It felt like I was finding lots of great music and clever little nuggets of level design from just playing random stuff. You guys should check it out.
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BenoitRen
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:06 pm        Reply with quote

Endless wrote:
Its sad, if that Persona bundle had some cool crap I'd have checked it out.

It sounds pretty cool to me. What's wrong with it?
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Teflon



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:37 pm        Reply with quote

I actually find it way more desirable than the classic artbook/CD package or like a Chie figurine because it has things I can use rather than yet more clutter to stow somewhere.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:47 pm        Reply with quote

BenoitRen wrote:
Endless wrote:
Its sad, if that Persona bundle had some cool crap I'd have checked it out.

It sounds pretty cool to me. What's wrong with it?

They're asking for $30 for $.10 worth of plastic and some stickers.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 1:55 pm        Reply with quote

SuperWes, I guess you're not familiar with licensed merchandise and how capitalism works.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:02 pm        Reply with quote

Hm yeah that's probably too much for it. I just ran that $70 figure through the exchange rate to get an idea and ended up at €55 which seemed reasonable enough given that it's only €15 more than the going rate for regular Vita games here. If they just swap the currency symbol I'm afraid I'll just keep using this boring black case.

I mean assuming it's getting a European release to begin with.
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notbov



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:00 pm        Reply with quote

The RO Mercenary Edition, pictured above it, has a soundtrack CD, trading cards and artbook/mini-strategy guide for an extra 10 bucks. Comparatively, the P4G LE seems like a cash grab, especially since all you get over the regular edition is the pouch, face cover and stickers.

Monsieur Eek wrote:
Sound Shapes community levels seem to have shot up in quality overnight. Or, more likely, they tweaked their sorting algorithm to make it so the first page isn't full of "Mario 1-1" and suchlike that tend to clutter up these kinds of games.

There's a Fukushima power plant level that I just clicked out of a morbid sense of curiosity, pretty sure that it was just going to be some slapped together vaguely offensive thing just trying to get traction out of the concept. It was kinda that, but it was also really friggin' evocative! Through level design! And music! The "Shadow of the Colossus" level is also really good and has nothing really to do with the eponymous game. The creator's other levels are also brilliant, though virtually no one has played them. It felt like I was finding lots of great music and clever little nuggets of level design from just playing random stuff. You guys should check it out.


I want to get Sound Shapes, but what I've seen of it makes the platforming look really generic. So, my question is, is it?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 3:03 pm        Reply with quote

Wouldn't it be better for a music game if the platforming was generic?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:02 am        Reply with quote

Oh snap

The 1.80 firmware is out in the wild, the main feature being PSOne games. Of course, since this is Sony, they fucked it up; the list of games available to buy in NA is literally 6-7 titles long. Meanwhile, Europe gets some 50+ games and Japan, from looking at screenshots people have put up, have as much or more.

However, if you've bought games through the PS Store on the PS3 or have a PS3 handy, you can re-download on the Vita or transfer the games that do work, regardless of the store letting you buy them.

My Vita has Money Idol Exchanger now and I couldn't be happier
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Kitten ClanClan



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:35 am        Reply with quote

where is that list? i'd like to see it.

of the games that work, i mean.
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Kitten ClanClan



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:24 am        Reply with quote

maaaaaan, all it would let me copy is mega man 2.... but not mega man 4? what the hell? i really hope they add more stuff, soon.

no r-type delta really BURNS MY BUNS. actually now that i think about it i'm a little concerned they'll never bother making it compatible due to it being delisted. that would suck so much :(

;_; there is a slight delay when playing mm2 that doesn't make it unplayable, but it's definitely noticeable and has been screwing me up. my psp plays it without any delay at all. this really pisses me off, because i had bought mm2 and 4 for my vita to play them when they were made compatible, but this delay, urrgghhh. at least it's not as bad as playing them on ps3 via component cables, it makes the games literally unplayable (try making one of the first jumps in toad man's stage with that kinda delay, ain't gonna happen).

also turn bilinear filtering off on 2d games, holy shit it makes them ugly.

edit:

i forgot when you download a ps1 game on ps3, it downloads a copy you can move over to psp and a copy that the ps3 actually plays. i only had mega man 2 with a copy for use on psp, so i could only transfer that. redownloading my other ps1 games, fingers crossed i can play r-type delta.

double edit:

r-type delta is not compatible ;_;

triple edit:

mega man 4 curiously does not have any noticeable delay between when i push a button and when something happens. why does mega man 2 have this? i am massively confused.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:14 am        Reply with quote

The horrors of emulated backwards compatibility. :(
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:02 pm        Reply with quote

Wow that Korean DJ Max box is some hot stuff.
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notbov



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:20 pm        Reply with quote

NeoGAF has running list or working games going on in their forums.

Apparently, Japan's launch list is ~200 games and they'll have support for 600 games eventually. I need to make a JPN PSN account. Related to that, apparently 1.80 region locks memory cards unless you format them (well, account locks them, whereas before you could switch accounts by resetting the system to factory defaults and download stuff to the same card), but I don't see this as a deal killer or anything unless you paid out the ass for a 32GB card.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:22 pm        Reply with quote

anyone who had save files for multiple accounts on one memory card apparently lost access to them forever now because of this new "feature"

thanks sony
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:37 pm        Reply with quote

Could be worse

we could be not region-free at all, like our popular cousin, 3DS (someone needs to bring out the boob-ninja beat em up badly)

also, yes, PS1 games look nice on the screen. time to go back to my cave and wait for Legend of Mana (which is actually on the JPN store, so what the fuck American Sony)
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 6:25 pm        Reply with quote

Quick question: so does this mean PS1 games bought from the JPN PSN store won't download/work on a US PSN account Vita?

I'm guessing yes but want to make sure before I give it a try.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:16 pm        Reply with quote

It's not the Vita that's locked, it's the memory card. Each memory card can be assigned to one PSN account, and thus you wouldn't be able to get JP PSN games onto your US PSN memory card in the first place. I would guess it would restrict you from transferring them via the PS3 or PC too unless the accounts matched, but someone else will have to confirm that. You have to have a separate memory card for each account but they can all be used on the same Vita.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 7:30 pm        Reply with quote

Well, Vitas are locked to accounts too. You have to do a "factory reset" in order to switch PSN accounts on one. Before the most recent firmware update, you could store your saves and data from two separate accounts on one memory card (apparently?) but now you'd need a separate memory card to use each time you factory reset your Vita to switch accounts. Or something.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:09 pm        Reply with quote

What does a "factory reset" entail exactly? Let's say, hypothetically, that I have a Vita, one US account and one JP account. Provided I have at least one memory card formatted to each respective region, how much hassle would be to switch between accounts on the Vita?

I don't own a Vita (yet), but this sort of thing is what I'm dreading most about getting one. My main PSN account is a US one, but I have JP and EU accounts as well on my PS3, to be able to get region-specific content as well as DLC etc for retail games from each region. If I could only have one account I'd use my US one, since it's the one where I have all my game progress, save data, friends, etc, but that means I wouldn't be able to get any DLC/Cross Buy/etc from any PAL games I buy... and so on.

Ugh, this whole thing is such a headache.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:22 pm        Reply with quote

I don't think a factory reset is all that bad, but I just haven't tried it. It probably just involves doing the same setup you do when you first turn on the system, so you'd need internet access to validate your account. I have a JP account but haven't yet bought anything on it. I'm pretty curious about the process myself since I have a couple JP games and expect to get plenty more and I'm sure I'll want some DLC at some point. I think as long as you have the accounts separated by memory card then it's just a minor bother.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:48 pm        Reply with quote

Well, you an have 2 cards, each with a different account on them, or you can have one card and just back everything up to your PC with CMA, but from what I've read it's a time intensive process.

Also hidden away in the new firmware: you can assign fhe corners of fhe touchscreen to PSP buttons and assign only one axis of the d-pad to the right analog, making it even mode perfect for MH games.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 10:06 pm        Reply with quote

dais mentioned in the irc (if i remember correctly) that the developers for rockman complete works games 4, 5 and 6 are known, but the ones for 1-3 aren't, suggesting they were developed by different people (or they switched off internally). this leads me to believe rockman/mega man 1 and 3 will probably have the same slight delay that 2 does on the vita. since 4 is the only one of the latter 3 you can get on the us playstation network (it's been a year since they added 4, so i'm not sure we'll ever see 5 or 6), i would say it's the only "safe" one if you want to mega man it up on your vita. it looks great and plays well, but it's a shame you can't play 2 without that delay - albeit minor, i think it seriously kills the overall experience.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:21 pm        Reply with quote

notbov wrote:
Could be worse

Indeed it definitely could.

When you buy a chunk of hardware that is more locked down and less friendly to user choices than the last generation, remember that you're telling them that this is entirely okay to do and you're 100% cool with them taking stuff away as long as you get to play your video games.

I'm skipping this gen most likely unless they surprise me by letting people actually do what they want with they things they buy.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:02 am        Reply with quote

I dunno I think only having one game for the thing and leaving it inactive for months at a a time would get the message across too.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 11:22 am        Reply with quote

No, because they already have your money.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:28 pm        Reply with quote

mauve wrote:
notbov wrote:
Could be worse

Indeed it definitely could.

When you buy a chunk of hardware that is more locked down and less friendly to user choices than the last generation, remember that you're telling them that this is entirely okay to do and you're 100% cool with them taking stuff away as long as you get to play your video games.

I'm skipping this gen most likely unless they surprise me by letting people actually do what they want with they things they buy.


actually the situation with the Vita is just about the same as it was with the PSP. It's just that with more stuff on PSN + DLC now, it hurts more to only have one account on the thing. Obviously when you hack a PSP things are totally different. The Vita is super locked down due to Sony paranoia for that very reason. The 3DS is obviously way worse than the DS or any other handheld in existance. My 3DS game collection would probably be double or triple what it is if not for the region lock.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 6:32 pm        Reply with quote

The Vita as it is instills Kitten ClanClan amounts of rage in me, so I'll ask, what is pull for this thing right now really? Just weird thinking, the homebrew reasons that prompted finally getting a psp make owning and using a vita as intended seem more silly than wanting to treat it as not a handheld.

I guess, again, wake me when I can treat it like a home console, and when the hoops are rolled away for managing and playing your purchases. It's a shame because having ps2 games stored on flash and on more unified hardware is pretty nice.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:08 pm        Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 10:10 pm        Reply with quote

The menus don't work quite right in SotN. Buttons get pushed randomly. But the game itself works fine!

-Wes
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