[Oh God Spiders No]

This game is amazing; why isn't there a thread for it?

http://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/

I got bored of Dark souls and am loving Brogue. So if anyone is tiring of Anor Londo should definitely try digging for the Amulet of Yendor.
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[L]

Here is dess on brogue being a 'colourful roguelike': http://www.auntiepixelante.com/?p=1428

[Oh God Spiders No]

The second comment on that article is pretty stupid. If you want to argue in favor of Nethack's absurd amount of commands, don't say something like this:

[Levi]

Brogue is totally awesome -- it has an essential simplicity to it that pulls it into shouting distance of Shiren, I think. Other roguelikes fiddle with the idea of static, scripted elements, but the...I dunno, discrete knowability of Brogue's constituent elements is really gratifying. I really like how my character just exists and I don't have to fiddle with being a half-fairy cleric or whatever. It's ascii gorgeousness is more...holistic than any tile-based roguelike I'd care to think on.

I love the way the colors of walls change as a raging fire dies down.

[Auptie]

a common aspect that comes up which I feel has been the majour barrier into the genre for me is the unpredictable threats and "challenges". difficulty in games is a must, but only when im confident any obstacles presented can be overcome by my own merit and growth as player. the possibility to die through seemingly thousands of random events is only frustrating. i understand the "impossibility" is the very reason many enjoy it, but i could never put myself through that and feel accomplished.

if i were to even have all the knowledge needed to reach the goal (which i assume would take months or years to accumulate), my success would still not be guaranteed. and upon any success, the crucial factor above all else, is chance, not my own ability - would i be wrong in putting it this way?

kings field/som/st and the ds's are everything i wanted from a rougelike but with that added certainty. ill give brogue a shot tomorrow

[bza]

Not all roguelikes require you to memorize what things kill you.

Call me a purist but Brogue's colors and flashiness are really distracting. The fact that it has instant deaths that require either spoilers or trial and error really turns me off as well.
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[Tulpa]

I'm enjoying Brogue a lot. I like the simplified control scheme.
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[Levi]

[Auptie]

ill keep that in mind for Brogue, Levi. thats really an interesting way to look at it, i can definitely see where your coming from. (for the first few games Elona felt the same way, now that i think about it)

with tetris the penalty of death (for me) is usually no more than a couple of minutes of my time. and with, say, Bof V where dying is an integral part of moving forward, i can accept it. id say its my need to quantify my progression thats left unaddressed - perhaps explaining my love of rpgs?

[luvcraft]

[Oh God Spiders No]

[bza]

I drank the first potion I found and fell through the floor and died instantly. I don't really feel like playing more if that's how the game is gonna be!
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[scratchmonkey]

Drink-IDing potions is usually a bad idea in any roguelike.

[Tulpa]

Yeah that's definitely an entirely foreseeable "you died because you did something wrong" death.
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[scratchmonkey]

I mean, I do that shit all the time in Crawl; I'm aware every time that I do it that it's a potentially lethal choice.

[Tulpa]

So speaking of IDing potions, is there a better way to do it than to throw them? This is extremely effective for all the potions that would probably kill me but it leaves all the beneficial potions a mystery. Maybe just throwing them at weak enemies?
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[bza]

I dunno, I've never played any other roguelike where drinking a single potion instantly kills you. I'm perfectly fine with crawl :)
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[scratchmonkey]

Well usually drinking the potion itself doesn't kill you, it's the domino effect that does.

(As for other roguelikes: Angband, potion of detonation or potion of death. Horrible luck to get them early enough that ID is an issue, mind.)

[Tulpa]

Yeah I mean I've drunken potions of depths or whatever that make me drop to a lower floor but they didn't do nearly enough damage to kill me. It would have had to be an unlikely situation like drink-IDing a potion while at less than half health or just by chance falling into lava on the floor below or something.
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[Oh God Spiders No]

Yes, the only way to die from a pitfall is if you're at less than a quarter health. In which case, there's a great many things that will kill you, and you shouldn't be taking any risks at all.

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

An interesting game, glad this topic motivated me to finally try it. Wish there was a little variety in what you start with, though.

Anyone know of any other roguelikes which control this well with a mouse? Ever since I saw the Amiga/Atari ST versions of Rogue, I've felt unable to approach roguelikes without mouse support.

(I suppose there's TOME, which has pretty nice mouse/keyboard support, but I have weird hang-ups when it comes to that game that I don't want to get into)

[bza]

I haven't tried it myself but Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup has mouse support for local games.

I'm actually playing Nethack right now, for the first time in forever! At D:20 right now as a Human Valkyrie with tons of resistances and AC -10 and about to do my quest!

Re: Brogue I'll give it some more time, I just really don't care for the graphics. I prefer my roguelikes playable in a terminal D:
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[Oh God Spiders No]

Mouse support on Crawl is pretty good. I don't use it personally, as I find the mouse generally hurts my wrist whereas I can type all day with no problem.

Just had a devastating loss in Brogue. Stupidest death yet. I had a ton of great gear, and was waiting out a poison gas cloud by holding down Z, during which time an ogre waltzed across the room and crushed me. I went from no threat at all to dying because of low reaction speed, in a game where that's not supposed to be an issue. I'm not even sure what the lesson is here.
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[Oh God Spiders No]

D Souls are great and all, but I really want a modern game that feels like this.

[OffalAl]

what do you mean by modern

[Oh God Spiders No]

Current gen console graphics, tons of art assets, etc.

Like if Demon's Souls had randomly generated levels and true permadeath.
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[Oh God Spiders No]

Pretty disappointed with myself. I got to d-11 for the first time and saw a salamander. I had a really powerful war axe and a potion of fire immunity so I figured I could take it no problem. We both got each other down to the point where either of us would die in one hit, but I decided that I wanted to save my healing potions. I swung and missed, and then he got me. I shouldn't take risks like that when I'm deep. Really wish I had found some armor, but I had a good setup otherwise: +5 regeneration, +4 awareness, +6 war axe, tons of scrolls and potions and mostly everything ID'd.
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[scratchmonkey]

I'm really enjoying this so far, it's a great combination of going back to the original Rogue with new design ideas. Looks good too.

Right now I'm mainly getting my ass kicked by Pink Jellies, I gather the correct strategy for them is to retreat into corridors to limit how many can hit you at once, I've never had a weapon other than the original dagger though and as such I don't think I'm dealing out enough damage for even that to work very well.

[Oh God Spiders No]

If you're at close to full health and you get them in a corridor you should be able to kill them with the dagger, assuming you're at a reasonable character level (ie, you haven't been running past enemies or skipping depths).

However, you'll be pretty depleted afterward.

Scrolls of negation will also stop a jelly's splitting abilities (but it will still have the HP of a full colony).

Black jellies are rare enemies that sometimes show up; do NOT try to confront them directly.

[Oh God Spiders No]

Really, really glad I decided to ID this runic armor before dumping 6 enchant scrolls into it, because it turned out to be Bloat Immunity. That's almost certainly the most useless runic possible, seeing as bloats don't even attack directly, and it doesn't defend against the poison gas that they emit.
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[a pair of gators]

sacridaispart3:
man what these two goblins have another goblin in a cage

asacridaispart3:
why is he imprisoned

Drem:
He probably just browses Japanese blogs.

[Tulpa]

Got to floor 12 and of course died dumbly. Had this pretty rad spear of paralysis and armor of absorption. I was actually on depth 11 but to escape from one of the trap rooms I had to jump down a pit, so I didn't really finish exploring the previous floor. Anyway, one of the walls burst open and about 7 underworms came flooding out and I failed to realize that any one of them could take me down in two hits. Instead of fighting conservatively and using healing potions I just relied on my spear's paralysis effect working well enough. I had about 40% health when I was one-shotted.
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[Dark Age Iron Savior]

On floor 4, I have two monkeys and a goblin acting as my ally.

I'm going to move on to trying Stone Soup now, because I have clearly won Brogue.

[Droqen]

I once had two flying ogres as allies!

[Oh God Spiders No]

I've heard about allies absorbing the abilities of fallen foes; how does this work? I've never seen it happen.

[Mr. Apol]

in slashem i once had two angels wielding lightsabers as pets

i beat all of you
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[Mr. Apol]

#realtalk if you ever spend a wish in a roguelike wishing for a lightsaber for your pet angel you are a true player
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[Oh God Spiders No]

Any advice on how to handle this situation?



That goblin conjurer is my ally.
The Wraith can kill me in 3 turns, I can kill it in 10.
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[Tulpa]

How much damage will that staff of lightning do? Man how are you on depth 11 with most of your potions un-IDed? Maybe IDing a potion or a wand with your scroll, heal, duke it out and heal or use one of the things you IDed if it is useful. You're positioned so the arrow turret will be damaging the Wraith instead of you, which is good and the mystic+regen ring should keep you alive without exhausting your healing potions.
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[Tulpa]

FUUUCK I had a +4 sword of quietus early in the game but I totally fucked up and decided to pick a fight with two dar blademasters on floor 7 and went through all my potions of healing and firebolt charges and still got killed.
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[scratchmonkey]

Tulpa your sig works really well in roguelike threads.

Can you damage turrets or are they just environmental hazards? I've been treating them as the latter, choosing the virtue of circumspection over that of experimentation.