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has the gba ffvi been tweaked or is it as hilariously broken as the snes version
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ionustron
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:26 am |
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| okay if Taito and Eidos games also count then I'm just gonna play Darius Gaiden instead. |
Also I think the magic evade bug was fixed in the GBA FFVI port. Not sure about vanish + doom though. There IS a weird romhack that attempts to plant the snes synths back in, making the opera house scene just stream audio of the orchestral game concert performance. |
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Felix
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:59 am |
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Either I forgot how good this game looked or PCSX2 is doing a fucking swell rendering job
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Kitten ClanClan
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:40 am |
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HOW COME people seem to stick to playing new SE games no matter how bad they get worse than most other people stick to their bad games?
there are probably many different answers for this, but i'd like to hear some. it seems like people have never let go of their emotional investment they put into their first squaresoft rpgs and somehow feel this sense of obligation to keep playing them
(not a condescending question! i do this, too, only with other things)
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:00 am |
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| haze wrote: |
| okay if Taito and Eidos games also count then I'm just gonna play Darius Gaiden instead. |
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I realize that, except for BenRen, I'm probably the biggest JRPG/S-E apologist around here, but I find it hard to believe you guys have really exhausted the library of S-E games that are legitimately fascinating/amazing even to people who hate numbers go up and FMV cutscenes. |
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Flylighter
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:36 am |
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| Kitten ClanClan wrote: |
HOW COME people seem to stick to playing new SE games no matter how bad they get worse than most other people stick to their bad games
fro real
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Are you asking about brand loyalty for SE? (I've been secretly calling their fanboys Squeenies for awhile now)
I don't have a ready answer. I know that as a kid they brought me the most consistent feeling of immersion and adventure in video games. Maybe those emotions most readily evoke denial in other people seeking to feel that through games again, regardless of the fact that it's tougher as an adult and SE seems to have lost their touch.
Although I honestly thought 12 breathed fresh air into the FF franchise.
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firenze
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:39 am |
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Besides the fact that every week is SE week for me because I still play FFXI at least a couple times a week with friends...
There's actually a lot of their stuff I really would like to spend some time with, I'll pick up at least a couple of the below in honor of this week:
- 3rd Birthday on Vita (2nd analog stick = big improvement)
- Lately I've had an odd craving to finish Dungeon Siege III
- Shamefully, I've still yet to actually finish Nier
- I'd like to play FFXIII-2
DQ section:
- DQVII is my "play a little chunk every year or two" game, I've been plugging away for nearly a decade now.
- DQIX has been a microcosm of my DQVII experience in that for the past year it's been my go to random DS game to pick up for a few days then forget for a month or two before coming back to it and making a little more progress.
- DQVI is still the only game in the series I haven't played, have the DS port waiting for me untouched.
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| Just strange seeing this with the springtime and warming weather, I always get the Kawazu Kick for about a week in June-ish. But I'm not ready now! |
I always get the same Kawazu Kick for about a week in June-ish too!
Mine has some personal significance, because Unlimited Saga was the very last game I bought before I was married - it hit stores a couple days before my wedding (June 20). Spent the night before playing it! I love the game on its own merits too though - adore the D&D tabletop vibe and phenomenal A/V aesthetic.
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| HOW COME people seem to stick to playing new SE games no matter how bad they get worse than most other people stick to their bad games? |
1a) NIER. Just when I really started doubting them, fucking Nier. The lingering thought that just maybe something else from SE will be as pleasant a surprise will keep stringing me along for at least a couple more years.
1b) Also, for me I'll always have a bit of a soft spot for SE solely due to the Squaresoft US PSX release list from 2000, aka the finest calendar year for any publisher ever (which I've rattled off by heart too many times on this forum already). I'm a hopeless sucker for any appeal to nostalgia for that era in particular.
Of course, the Eidos-ification of the modern company (not that I dislike all of the Eidos stuff, but a lot of it just isn't my style), paired with disappointments like FFXIII and XIV, has done a lot to erode my faith in them going forward. Honestly though, even in the past few years I think they've still been kinda sneaky-good on the portables (one doesn't complain about stuff like Tactics Ogre PSP). |
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firenze
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:53 am |
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Oh, and Chaos Rings is one of the best in-depth (i.e. non arcade-style or casual) games on iOS. It looks absolutely stunning (especially on the new iPad), controls very well, and has some actual clever RPG mechanics - in particular the battle mechanic of being able to choose commands individually for your pair of players, or combining powers for a stronger team-up attack at the risk of taking damage to both players if you're hit.
I've always been a Media.Vision fan though, Wild Arms series is good stuff. |
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Kitten ClanClan
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| Flylighter wrote: |
Are you asking about brand loyalty for SE? (I've been secretly calling their fanboys Squeenies for awhile now)
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Yeah, I guess that's what I'm asking. People seem to keep buying their games knowing full well that they are going to hate them and then end up hating them. I can't tell you how many people I have heard talk about buying FFXIII and expressing that they didn't enjoy it and never planned to enjoy it. A lot of these people did the same thing with FFXIII-2. It's not like Sonic fans who bury themselves under mountains of delusion or other fans that hang onto some genuine shred of hope, SE fans seriously seem like they've entirely resigned themselves to bringing on the punishment (I guess it's fairly typical of jRPG fans, in general, but SE is the biggest target). These people tend to rhetorically ask themselves why they're still playing something, when I feel like they should seriously answer that question before they go and buy another game they're expecting to hate.
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| 1a) NIER. Just when I really started doubting them, fucking Nier. |
Wasn't that Cavia? Didn't Cavia shut down after Nier? I feel like that would push you toward disliking SE rather than clinging to hope.
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Isn't that a port/remake? SE fans also seem to get really excited for ports and remakes. You use the word nostalgia and I think that's part of what I'm getting at, here.
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Youpi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:32 am |
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Screw the rules, I'm gonna re-re-replay a game.
But there's no way I'll beat it in a week unless I cheat.
So I'm gonna cheat like crazy.
Deal.
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Felix
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:09 pm |
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for what it's worth, I haven't played a square title newer than ffxii, despite lots of well-meaning advice to check out twewy/nier/dqix.
I just really like ffxii. |
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Gironika
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:40 pm |
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| Ymer wrote: |
| Wait, how does this thing work anyway? Do we just play squeenix games for a week then post about them or is there more to it then that? |
Nah, there are no "strict" rules, so go and have fun.
| Kitten ClanClan wrote: |
| HOW COME people seem to stick to playing new SE games no matter how bad they get worse than most other people stick to their bad games? |
well, this applies at least for me, but:
I kind of got rid of my SQEX-stockpile over the last five years thanks to this week. Obviously you can't finish every game started in a week (well, technically I did finish one disc of Dewprism on a Sunday, but that was… a once-in-a-lifetime-experience, won't do that again), but it is a good chance to finally have a go at [game X] you never played before, since better games have prevented you from doing so. And when you are having a good time, you might even finish these games.
In the case of CC, this might be pretty much one of the last "classic" SQEX-games I might play for a while, so there's some bonus-incentive there.
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| Graphics, towns, music, and good times be damned. I think Crono Cross might actually suck. |
I feared that I might loathe CC because I've seen and played many a JRPG by now, but so far I feel pretty good about it (actually, a bit better than expected). I'll talk about this when I have more experience with the game. (The lacking newer titles actually might make this game better (than it should be, one could argue), but that remains to be seen.
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boojiboy7
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Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:00 pm |
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THe only FF games I have beaten are now 1 and 13. this feels weird. on 13 and 13-2 right now i have spent a total of 15 bucks, and actually, compared to the 15 bucks i spent on journey, this has given me a lot more entertainment. Maybe not depth (but possibly! journey gets worse for me the farther I get from it, so :( ), but entertainment.
I have no loyalty to Square really, outside of my love of DQ games. I seemed to be the lone gamer at the time not enamored at all with ff7, and it has pretty much been downhill since then, so just jumping back into FF with 13 has been a lot of fun. Did play some of the SaGa games, but never beat one of them, so I don't know if I can call myself a fan, though i at least love the theory of those. |
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Felix
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:47 pm |
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SaGa 2 DS and SaGa Frontier are probably the easiest to get into (and fairly representative). Frontier 2 is lovely but nothing like a SaGa game, the GB ones are really something but not in any way you wouldn't get from 2DS/Frontier, and the SNES/PS2 ones are generally a pretty interesting but thoroughly mixed bunch.
FF4 and 8 are pretty much required if you ask me, though they're also jRPGs and only 4 is tolerably brisk (in both its original and remade forms). it's difficult to have played 6, 7, or 9 without having a lot of affection for them, but if you didn't dig jRPGs in the 90s you're certainly not going to care now. |
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probably fine
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:18 pm |
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| Kitten ClanClan wrote: |
HOW COME people seem to stick to playing new SE games no matter how bad they get worse than most other people stick to their bad games?
there are probably many different answers for this, but i'd like to hear some. it seems like people have never let go of their emotional investment they put into their first squaresoft rpgs and somehow feel this sense of obligation to keep playing them
(not a condescending question! i do this, too, only with other things) |
Looking at the newer SE games on my shelf, I find I have three, which is more than I expected.
Dragon Quest IX was pretty solid. I liked that the overworld had a similar treatment structurally to that of the dungeons, and that the battles felt as tactical and involving as those in some of the (relatively) recent Shin Megami Tensei games. However, an option to turn off, or reduce, battle animations, and the ability to skip through repeated explanatory text would have been very nice – their absence is my only real gripe with the game.
Nier has moments that are quite poor when considered in isolation (e.g. fetch quests, uninteresting side scrolling segments). It also has some mediocre bits that are nevertheless notable because they are so unexpected and fresh. And its strong moments are numerous and impeccable (spoiler-free e.g. boss fights and crowd control). As a package comprised of disparate elements, the game is really remarkable (and strange).
Space Invaders Extreme 2 is a nice shooter. It reinvigorates the classic mechanics well – there's a lot of energy in this game, and it's paired with solid design. I'm not sure what else to say about it.
I also sometimes play ports/remakes/PSN rereleases of the older games.
I still think Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy Tactics are interesting and legitimately enjoyable.
About once or twice a year I get an itch to stare at pretty backgrounds while rows of heroes and monsters hit each other from opposite sides of the screen. Final Fantasy VI and VII hit the spot for a week or two until the itch subsides. If nostalgia plays into this, it'd be because of the Nobuo Uematsu music. Final Fantasy III DS works too, but I really do have fun with this one, and I don't know why. Perhaps because the pacing is quicker.
I still can't decide if I enjoy Dragon Quest V all that much beyond the fabulous soundtrack.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:24 pm |
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| Felix wrote: |
| it's difficult to have played [Final Fantasy] 6, 7, or 9 without having a lot of affection for them, but if you didn't dig jRPGs in the 90s you're certainly not going to care now. |
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:50 pm |
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One of these days I'll actually get good at Einhander.
Probably not this week though.
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Deets
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:48 pm |
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| probably fine wrote: |
| Space Invaders Extreme 2 is a nice shooter. It reinvigorates the classic mechanics well – there's a lot of energy in this game, and it's paired with solid design. I'm not sure what else to say about it. |
Not a Square Enix game. They published it outside of Japan, sure, but. |
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Youpi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:42 pm |
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Okay I have started playing a squee thing and will post heaps about it later
The teaser is this here new sig of mine
This is the most unhelpful teaser ever
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probably fine
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:45 pm |
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| Deets wrote: |
| probably fine wrote: |
| Space Invaders Extreme 2 is a nice shooter. It reinvigorates the classic mechanics well – there's a lot of energy in this game, and it's paired with solid design. I'm not sure what else to say about it. |
Not a Square Enix game. They published it outside of Japan, sure, but. |
I didn't realise Taito published it themselves in Japan. Of course, neither of the two other games I listed were developed by Square Enix. I'd meant to mention that when I wrote that post, but forgot.
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Kitten ClanClan
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:17 pm |
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I actually did dig jRPGs in the (late) 90's. They were my favorite type of game for a little while and some of my fondest memories while gaming were playing FF7 and Wild ARMS 2. I sit down with them today, though, and I get bored out of my mind. I just rarely ever have the same tolerance for tedium and absence of any engaging challenge as I used to. I really want to enjoy them again, sometimes. I have a pretty big backlog of jRPGs I haven't or have barely touched :(
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Swimmy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:47 pm |
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| 8128 wrote: |
| has the gba ffvi been tweaked or is it as hilariously broken as the snes version |
Some of the glitches have been fixed and some much more hilarious glitches have taken their place. See here, for example.
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thestage
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:40 pm |
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| if this is going to be a catch-all square thread I feel like I need to call FFVI the prettiest game ever created. just seems like something that has to be said. square has a lot of really pretty games. |
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Isabella
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| Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:06 pm |
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I am going to play Chrono Trigger for the first time.
I'll stream it in a bit. |
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cassievania
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:22 am |
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Maybe I should finally play chrono trigger
or nier
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Felix
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 1:00 am |
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| Guys I am enjoying the shit out of FFXII. I seem to remember that there's no game for a good little while right after you get all six party members, but I'm not there just yet! |
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Isabella
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:21 am |
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| Made it to the very rare red rock in chrono trigger and picked up Ayla. More tomorrow |
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Rud31
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| Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:38 am |
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| Dark Age Iron Savior wrote: |
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| haze wrote: |
| okay if Taito and Eidos games also count then I'm just gonna play Darius Gaiden instead. |
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I realize that, except for BenRen, I'm probably the biggest JRPG/S-E apologist around here, but I find it hard to believe you guys have really exhausted the library of S-E games that are legitimately fascinating/amazing even to people who hate numbers go up and FMV cutscenes. |
DAIS do you want to talk about Live A Live?
cause
I'll fucking do it.
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If I can convince the completionist in mme to not play through the 300 dumb, repetitive, boring side missions, I might finally finish Crisis Core.
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Gironika
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woah, picture isn't resized.
Anyway,
This is kinda the essence of my love/hate relationship with SQEX-games for me, in one text box. I'll (maybe) write a bit more about this later (which kinda is indicative of SQEX-games as well, always promising "later later, really!", huh!) …
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BenoitRen
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I'm a JRPG/SQEX apologist? I'll admit that I like JRPGs, but I don't recall spending time on this message board defending them. I'm certainly not a Square-Enix fan/apologist.
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Youpi
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okay
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Teflon
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Either I forgot how good this game looked or PCSX2 is doing a fucking swell rendering job
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The PS2's video output did it no favors. |
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Felix
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| I didn't even realize how many GC/PS2 games supported 16:9 (what with never actually owning an HDTV), but let me tell you, it's been a nice treat when emulating F-Zero/SotC/Burnout/FFXII/Soul Calibur/Brawl. |
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BenoitRen
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Whoa, you found a GameCube version of Smash Bros. Brawl?!
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firenze
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| Kitten ClanClan wrote: |
| Wasn't that Cavia? Didn't Cavia shut down after Nier? I feel like that would push you toward disliking SE rather than clinging to hope. |
Well, it wasn't a SE Japan internal studio production, but I still see it as a very SE game. They didn't just pick up the rights and publish it, they had a lot of influence in the development (and hell, they published and funded the first two sorta prequels in the Drakengard games). The producer for the game was internal SE (Yosuke Saito)
I can't really blame SE for cavia's demise either (not that they're truly gone, they were just absorbed into their parent company, AQ Interactive, anyway). If anything, SE's solid support relative to the decidedly niche Nier/Drakengard games was better hype for cavia than I ever saw them getting on their own or from any other publisher. And SE did go all out with the Nier soundtracks.
Besides, there are a a lot of flavors of SE. I didn't think of this as limited exclusively just SE's in-house Japanese development teams. They have a bunch of distinct groups:
1) The in-house Japanese stuff, like the FFand KH teams.
2) The Eidos group, making all their western-style games (like the much beloved Dog Days)
3) The Taito group, focusing on stuff like lower budget downloadable/portable games
4) The games where they contract or co-produce with some other developer - cavia for Nier, Tri-Ace for Valkyrie Profile and Infinite Undiscovery, Media.Vision for the Chaos Rings games, etc. This isn't new either - they worked with companies like Chunsoft, or Lightweight for the Bushido Blade games.
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Isn't that a port/remake? SE fans also seem to get really excited for ports and remakes. You use the word nostalgia and I think that's part of what I'm getting at, here. |
Actually, remake or not, Tactics Ogre PSP is first rate with no need to have rose tinted nostalgia glasses. I'm not excited about it because it's a remake, I'm excited about it because it's just plain better than most other games in its class released during this past generation.
Parasite Eve? Brave Fencer Musashi? Vagrant Story? OK, those are probably more nostalgia-fueled. Tactics Ogre stands on its own though, my friend. |
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Isabella
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| Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:36 am |
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| Chrono trigger complete! With Dev ending |
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