[Take It Sleazy]

Dracula is in Evolution Skateboarding with Solid Snake so that saves a step and castlevania can at the very least move up one level

He is also in Konami Krazy Racers which should bring in some other franchises

Dracula as seen in Billy and Mandy is a character in Fusionfall so the cartoon network dudes can come up

Dracula is in a game called Alien Monster Bowling League which also features Anubis so there is one connection to Anubis

[Laurel Soup]

Anubis also gets us to War Gods.
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[OGC]

Because I love that game, here are a bunch more from
KONAMI KRAZY RACERS:

* GOEMON - (Mystical Ninja Series)
* TATOSUKE - (Parodius Series)
- by extension, surely there are Parodius cameos/characters that can be used to close some more gaps?
* PASTEL - (Twinbee)
* MOAI - (Gradius Series)
* POWER PRO-KUN - (MLB Power Pros Series)
* NYAMI - (Pop'n Music Series)
* BEAR TANK - (Rakugakids Series)

BONUSBONUS

Krazy Kart Racers has also been released on iPhone which includes Dracula and also the following characters:

* FROGGER (Frogger Series)
* SPARKSTER (Sparkster Series)
* PYRAMID HEAD (Silent Hill Series)
* ROBBIE THE RABBIT (Silent Hill Series)
* EVIL ROSE (Rumble Rose Series)
* TAKOSUKE (Parodius Series)
* MING MING (New International Track and Field)
* DEWY (Dewy's Adventure)


So considering Dracula moves Castlevania up one step to #4, that means all these characters should be at #5 right?
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[OGC]

Death is also a character in the DISCWORLD series
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[Take It Sleazy]

Goku/Kenshiro/JoJo all the animes were in Jump Superstars with Yugi Muto who was in Yu-Gi-Oh! World Championship 2008 with Goemon (as a character instead of just a card even) who was in Konami Wai Wai World with Simon Belmont who was in DreamMix TV World Fighters with Solid Snake who was in Super Smash Bros with Mario who was in Mario Kart Arcade GP with Pac Man who was in Tekken vs Street Fighter with Nina Williams.

[Laurel Soup]

I figured out Bomberman in three steps, and Mitsuru Kirijo in four (without resorting to any same-name figures from world mythology). Someone can have a fun 90 seconds working those backwards.
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[Gorblax]

Did I get 'em?
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[Gorblax]

Through Namco X Capcom, Druaga has a Williams Number of Two.
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[Take It Sleazy]

bomberman is also just straight up in dream mix tv fighters but it's more fun to put in another crossover game unless there is a smaller williams number

[L]

It occurs to me that the Headcrab cameo in Super Meat Boy may prove to be valuable at some point down the line.

[Gorblax]

I was actually just looking at Super Meat Boy. Unfortunately Half-Life doesn't seem to cross over with much else, unless I'm overlooking something.

Another game which may be valuable down the line: Poker Night at the Inventory.

If only there were a Headcrab hat in Team Fortress 2...
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[Take It Sleazy]

we could probably use the religious/mythology route to go binding of issac -> gish -> super meat boy

max from poker night was in a star wars game although i'm not sure if it was one that has vader in it but i mean it's star wars

[Gorblax]

Vader isn't in Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II, but it does have a gonk droid which can connect directly to Vader.
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[Take It Sleazy]

I suppose via Dennis Rodman/Frankstein's Monster we can add the cast of Celebrity Deathmatch

edit: or carmen electra who via def jam was already lurking in the ecosystem hahahaha

[Persona]

New challenge: what's Leisure Suit Larry's number?

I can't think of any connection outside of cameos in Space Quest and a Sierra Pinball crossover game. Do Sierra characters cameo elsewhere? Unless some famous historical figure appears in the Larry games - that'd be a pretty direct connection.

Other characters that are difficult: Bubsy, Aero the Acrobat.


Unrelated to this, I just remembered Earthworm Jim appeared in the PC port of Battle Arena Toshinden 3. That might be valuable somewhere down the road.
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[tacotaskforce]

There was a King's Quest cameo in one of the Space Quests, and Little Red Riding Hood and Dracula were in KQII.
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[Take It Sleazy]

good call taco

king graham from king's quest has a cameo in leisure suit larry 1 in a laboratory

so it would go

Larry Laffer is in Leisure Suit Larry with King Graham who is in King's Quest II with Dracula who is in Castlevania with Simon Belmont who is in Dream Mix TV Fighters with Solid Snake who is in Super Smash Bros with Mario who is in Mario Kart Arcade with Pac Man who is in Tekken vs Street Fighter with Nina Willams

So he is a seven (or a six when we update maybe)

Larry was also in Police Quest II so that's all the games with Sonny Bonds

Sierra is weird ya'll

[Take It Sleazy]

the mad hatter is in that bubsy fairy tale game so bubsy can go in via kingdom hearts

i think aero is shit out of luck

[Take It Sleazy]

Okay Star Trek 25th Anniversary has the god Quetzalcoatl as a character so that can tie in via Persona, Final Fantasy, or Indiana Jones

[Gorblax]

Unfortunately Sleazy the Mad Hatter has never appeared in a KH game, but Alice has so you can connect them through American McGee.
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[Jigsaw]

-Didn't Aero the Acro-Bat appear ever so briefly as part of the Sunsoft logo in some other game(s)? Granted I'm not sure how much that would help things... (or maybe it was just his own games, what do I know)


-Linn Kurosawa appears in Ken's stage in SFA2 creating a link to anyone Alien or Predator related (though I'm not exactly sure how much worth that is)

-Satan is currently listed as W6, but what about Nina (Tekken) -> Ryu (SF) -> Arthur (GnG) -> Satan?

[Ymer]

Lili from the Tekken series is going to appear in an upcoming Digimon game. I'm not sure how many cameos the casts from the various Digimon-multiverses make with each other but I'm pretty sure that it puts most of the Digimon franchise at a degree of 2.
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[Take It Sleazy]

These are all really great guys.

Gorblax let me see if I can try and specify a definition to make sure these are all under the same parameters:


This list is primarily (but not exclusively) for commercial video games.

A game crossover point happens when 2 or more specific characters from separate video game narratives are visibly onscreen in a gameworld where it is possible for them to interact.

The character who crosses over may be in different forms in different works as long as it is always recognizably the same character.

In the gameworld, text mentions of characters do not count as canon.

In the gameworld, image based representations of a character such as a photo, a painting, or graffiti do not count as canon.

A character who only appears on a game's company logo does not count as within the gameworld and is not canon.

The Dr. Light Exception - If a character is viewing a recorded message of another character via video or holography it counts as long as all other rules are followed.

If multiple games are in a collection they do not count as one gameworld.

For characters who are currently copyrighted by different corporations, the separate parties involved with the creation of or legally in charge of the characters all need to agree. Cameos such as those in Revenge of Shinobi or Duke Nukem 3D do not count as canon. Fangames using copyrighted characters are not canon.

The Take It Sleazy Dopefish Exception: If a game has a physical Dopefish it counts as a crossover point to Commander Keen despite it not necessarily being legal because that is the spirit of the Dopefish and the Dopefish is great.

For literary characters who are in the public domain any use is allowed.

For real world figures dead or alive any use is allowed.

For mythological and religious figures any use is allowed.

In all cases the characters must be specifically nameable and non-generic. Count Dracula is a character. "A vampire" is not.

The Henchman and Creature Exception: A collective of characters who are specific to a work or group of works such as Final Fantasy Moogles, Dragon Quest Slimes, Mega Man Servbots, or Pokemon Pikachus count as a canon crossover point as long as they follow all the other rules.

Do you disagree with anything or is there anything else that needs to be clarified?

Are we counting fictional corporations or locations as crossover points? Are we counting in-game items or power ups as crossover points?

I think it's cleaner and better with characters only, but it's up to you Gorblax.

[Jigsaw]

Speaking of Lili being in a crossover something-or-other, I do believe she made an appearance in a Queen's Blade game, along with Ivy (SoulCalibur), Mai (KOF), Iroha (Samurai Shodown) and possibly some other guest characters.

Hey, Earthworm Jim is a great catch, actually. He was in the N64 versions of ClayFighter, along with... Boogerman, but more importantly, Santa Claus(!), and, er, the Statue of Liberty. That ought to make for some interesting connections.




Does the Moai head count as a character? If so, does Peacock dropping Moai heads indicate a link between Skullgirls and Gradius? Is there a distinction to be made between non-generic and generic Moai heads based on copyright?


By the way, was there ever a consensus reached on the whole Yoshimitsu thing?


edit: wow, Queen's Gate Spiral Chaos actually has a whole slew of guest characters.
Apart from the ones I mentioned, plus a couple of anime tie-ins, there's
Cham Cham and Mina, also from Samurai Shodown
Dizzy (Guilty Gear)
Noel (BlazBlue)
Wonder Momo

Kind of interesting to see this of all games connecting fighting game universes of Namco, SNK and Arc System Works. Not sure if Wonder Momo's inclusion means much though, since she's already at W3 due to Namco X Capcom.

[Take It Sleazy]

I feel weird saying that Moais are too generic but The Alive Statue of Liberty (non-robotic?) should maybe count as a thing?

Speaking of which I am still thinking about the Ghostbusters/Garfield/Mickey Mouse Crazy Castle game because they do have visually the exact same enemies and final boss and everything although I don't know if they have different names.

I don't think there's ever a scenario where Yoshimitsu is in a crossover without another Tekken character so I am just locking that away in the emergency vault.

[Gorblax]

Yeah, I was actually about to bring that up. Allowing monsters and creatures as connectors open up a huge can of worms (ie. why not connect all games that have a cat in it?). This new mandate is definitely for the better.
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[shnozlak]

Does the Bar scene in Snatch Tie anything together not tied together otherwise? Or Do people dressed as characters not count as the characters themselves?


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[Jigsaw]

Well, it's relevant since Yoshimitsu, unlike Heihachi, is in Soul Caliburs 1, 3, 4 and 5. If Tekken Yoshimitsu and SoulCalibur Yoshimitsu count as the same character, that would put characters like Darth Vader, Link and Ezio one step closer to Nina. (How does Heihachi/Link/Spawn count anyway? They're all in SC2, but they're never in the same game) For the record I don't really see why they shouldn't count as the same; for all intents and purposes they are the same character. If it was somehow revealed in Tekken 7 that Yoshimitsu is actually 600 years old, would anyone really bat an eyelash? (That's assuming Tekken and SC share a universe anyway - hypothetically it could probably be argued that they are the same particular person, born in the 1500s in the SC universe, but born in the 1900s in the Tekken universe. Or he's an alien skeleton beetle robot. Whatever)

Besides, I kind of feel like that sort of distinction opens up the door for further splitting of hairs that I'm not sure is very meaningful. Should the older and younger Sub-Zero count as different characters? (the former was in MK1 and his own spinoff prequel, the latter in every other game, technically I guess both appear in UMK3, MKT and MK9) King/King II as well as every different model of Jack in the Tekken games? What about legacy superhero characters like The Flash, Robin or Green Lantern? I suppose there will always be room for different application of this "rule" depending on the case, but for the most part I'm inclined to count all versions of the same character as the same character, provided they're essentially interchangeable. I guess we're counting fat middle-age Mega Man with a handgun as the same Mega Man from the original NES series but not the same as X or .EXE - this makes sense to me since while they are all different "versions" of the same character they have plenty of distinct differences, and also appear along different points in the same timeline. On the other hand, I see no reason to distinguish between, say, 616/Ultimate/movie versions of Spider-Man, since generally speaking you could say a game appearance is based on either one of them and it really wouldn't make any difference either way. Personally, I'm inclined to put Yoshimitsu in the latter category.

[Jigsaw]

Re: Snatcher:

No, I don't think someone dressing up as a character should count as that character appearing. I would definitely count Metal Gear Mk.II as a link between Solid Snake and Gillian Seed, though.

[Hojulas]

So seeing the rules, no linking Caleb from Blood via Duke Nukem via Doomguy in DN3D, then.
However, Doomguy in Quake 3 links to Quakeguy and the QII Marine making them W4.

And I think we can add Heinrich Himmler at W5, via Hitler connecting to BJ Blazcowiz in Wolf3D, and Himmler appearing in RTCW. Or has he shared a game with Hitler directly?

And Medusa brings us to the Kid Icarus cast at W4, correct?

[Take It Sleazy]

Doctor Jekyll, King Arthur, Historical Figures, God/The Devil, Love Plus characters, scribblenauts is a game changer!

[Laurel Soup]

[Take It Sleazy]

Added a bunch of dudes. I think we might be getting close to the character limit so I am going to hold off for a while.

[Bowling Pin]

Williams Degree #4 addendum

Persona 2 has the Tammy character who is the protagonist of Shin Megami Tensei If... which is a prequel to the main SMT games, so the SMT mainline series is 5th degree. You can pull Judeo Christian God from there. The Kuzunoha Detective Agency from the Devil Summoner series shows up in Persona 2 as well, so there's that entire subseries. SMT itself crosses into the Digital Devil Saga spinoff games through the boss fight against the SMT Nocturne protagonist.

Tamagotchis are playable racers in Mario Kart Arcade GP 2.

Lily Rochefort shows up in a Digimon game.

The lead character in Ehrgeiz is Ken "Godhand" Mishima, apparently a member or descendant of the Mishima family from Tekken, so you might be able to bring it and the Final Fantasy VII cast into earlier degrees if you feel like it.

[Gorblax]

Maybe we should migrate to a Google Doc?
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[Take It Sleazy]

Henry Hatsworth has Sherlock Holmes, King Arthur/Lady of the Lake, Henry the VIII, Robin Hood at least

[Take It Sleazy]

Mario characters are in SSX on Tour SSX characters are in Sled Storm

Poker Night at the Inventory also leads to Wallace and Gromit/Back to the Future/Monkey Island

Gears of War dudes are in Lost Planet 2 which we can tie in via TvC

Alien Homnid in Castle Crashers

[Jigsaw]

SSX characters are also in NBA Jam: On Fire Edition.

I'm not sure if the Lost Planet mech in TvC is in LP2, but Frank West and Wesker are, so there's a tie through MvC3 either way.

[Rud31]

[boojiboy7]