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Take It Sleazy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:24 pm        Reply with quote

The cast of Sega Superstars Tennis/Racing would have a degree of 4 via Sonic

The cast of Dream Mix TV World Fighters would have a degree of 4 via Solid Snake (this also brings in Castlevania/Transformersl)

Playstation All Stars Battle Royale has Snake and Cole McGrath so this might change the measurement a little bit


If somebody somehow managed to be on Captain Rainbow but not Smash Bros then they count
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Take It Sleazy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:37 pm        Reply with quote

Man Soul Calibur -> Star Wars/Zelda/Spawn

Playstation All Stars or Soulcaibur -> Kratos ->Mortal Kombat -> DC Superheroes and Freddy Kruger

aaahhhhhh

Sega Racing even brings in Banjo/Kazooie -> Conker/Grabbed by the Ghoulies

I'm honestly not trying to jump ahead of you or whatever man but you know I cannot resist delineating a fictional universe

I mean seeing you do the particular degrees will be the interesting part
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Take It Sleazy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:41 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah sure I'll jump in
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 7:48 pm        Reply with quote

Thanks! I will only add currently released games

God Mario and Dragon Quest characters on Fortune Street

Mario and Final Fantasy characters on Mario Hoops 3 on 3

Final Fantasy leads to Dissisdia / Ehrgeiz /Kingdom Hearts -> Basically All Disney Games
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:36 pm        Reply with quote

Basketball is a pretty good source of crossovers. Even if we go for only over the top games that still brings in a lot of things

Like Isiah Thomas by himself is in say both NBA JAMs, NBA Street Volume 2, NBA Street Volume 3

That's Mario, Shaq, Jordan, Barkley, Magic, Bird, Bill Clinton etc

Then a layer down Ready 2 Rumble, Space Jam, Crusin USA

Then another layer down All Looney tunes games/Tiny Toons games etc

The trick is finding which direction is fastest

You could go from Ulala to Michael Jackson to Ready to Rumble to Shaq with similar results
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Take It Sleazy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:50 pm        Reply with quote

oh man if nba 2k6 counts then shaq could tie in to flavor flav/method man which leads to rap jam volume one a/def jam fighting games/shaolin style
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:53 pm        Reply with quote

in the glorious future snoop doog is going to have a williams number of 1 which makes the cast of true crime LA have a 2
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 8:59 pm        Reply with quote

also akira is going to be in dead or alive so there's ninja gaiden
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:00 pm        Reply with quote

MARIOZONE wrote:
Sleazy, remember to always link by characters as opposed to game titles. Otherwise this is great!


Uh in the case of something like Mortal Kombat vs DC am I supposed to just pick a character at random?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:07 pm        Reply with quote

Scorpion is actually in The Grid and Psi Ops and maybe an MLB game so I guess he wins
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:21 pm        Reply with quote

the cast of itadaki street series includes final fantasy and dragon quest characters so we can probably skip mario 3 on 3 hoops as a crossover point but it should still stay on as a note

you can use slime/jessica as a dragon quest crossover they are in all the dragon quest themed itadaki street games including the mario one and cloud strife is in the dq/ff themed one so perhaps he can be the nexus in the particular case

i think that changes the rankings unless you want to count the mario/dq itadaki as seperate from the ff/dq itadaki instead of counting them as a series
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:34 pm        Reply with quote

Okay. I'll still put in the alternate route though.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:52 pm        Reply with quote

is just saying moogle/slime/chocobo too generic of a character?
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:13 pm        Reply with quote

tekkaman blade from tatsunoko brings in super robot wars and now were getting real stupid

like Voltron is 3 degrees from nina willams
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:04 am        Reply with quote

The Ninja Turtles were in TMNT Smash Up with the Raving Rabbids who were in Raving Rabbids Travel In Time with Leonardo da Vinci who was in Assassin's Creed II with Ezio who was in Soulcalibur V with Sigfried who was in Soul Calibur II with Heihachi who was in Tekken with Nina Williams
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:22 am        Reply with quote

Ren and Stimpy are in Nicktoons MLB with Derek Jeter who is in MLB Slugfest Loaded with Scorpion who is in Mortal Kombat with Kratos who is in Soulcalibur V with Sigfried who was in Soul Calibur II with Heihachi who was in Tekken with Nina Williams
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 12:45 am        Reply with quote

Laurel Soup wrote:
Stephen Colbert has a Williams number of 3 thanks to Spider-man.


He can have one in your heart but not the official list because he is not a video game character
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:09 am        Reply with quote

MARIOZONE wrote:
Should we count Mega Man, MegaMan.EXE, and Mega Man Volnutt as separate characters? Because if so, then the Mega Man which appears in Street Fighter X Tekken may not be a valid connector.

Similarly, what of Yoshimitsu of Soulcalibur and Yoshimitsu of Tekken?


I think we're already pushing it by saying that Man from SFxT is Mega Man so I say it should just be the plain version. The others can go down a level.

Speaking of which, what are some of the other Mega Man connections are they like items or something?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:13 am        Reply with quote

What's Yoshimitsu's deal is he the same guy only immortal or a descendant or a robot or what?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:29 am        Reply with quote

Take It Sleazy wrote:
MARIOZONE wrote:
Should we count Mega Man, MegaMan.EXE, and Mega Man Volnutt as separate characters? Because if so, then the Mega Man which appears in Street Fighter X Tekken may not be a valid connector.

Similarly, what of Yoshimitsu of Soulcalibur and Yoshimitsu of Tekken?


I think we're already pushing it by saying that Man from SFxT is Mega Man so I say it should just be the plain version. The others can go down a level.

Speaking of which, what are some of the other Mega Man connections are they like items or something?


on the other hand i did ask for moogle/slime as a generic term so maybe we could just say oh hey it's "a megaman". it's your call
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:32 am        Reply with quote

godzilla, ultraman, and kamen rider can all get in via gundams with battle soccer if we work out the super robot wars specifics
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:28 pm        Reply with quote

OGC wrote:
Rouge from Power Stone 2 makes cameos in both Capcom vs SNK 2 and Capcom Fighting Evolution. Does that count?


Yeah I think that's a cleaner tie in for Power Stone

Jigsaw wrote:


edit again: And hey, what about Spider-Man and Batman appearing in The Super Shinobi? That would put Batman at W3 and by extension make for shorter connection for many DC characters.


i don't think i want to add in bootleg/esentially bootleg appearances of copyrighted characters. it would be pretty funny if we counted spiderman and batman as the same guy though
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 1:29 pm        Reply with quote

Can tie clinton or lincoln into ubisofts political machine 2008 which brings in jfk which brings in call of duty black ops and that universe
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:04 pm        Reply with quote

Oh man Death (if we're talking about The Death and not A Death) is a pretty good tie in all around: Bill and Ted, NBA JAM T.E., The Sims, Billy and Mandy so we can bring in the Cartoon Network games






Family Guy :(
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:27 pm        Reply with quote

Anna Kournikova and Reiko Nagase were both in that tennis game with Pac-Man and the Tekken Characters so they are right up there
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:42 pm        Reply with quote

Okay now that I got in Michael Corleone (who honestly will probably end up being higher later on) I'm gonna go through the thread and see if we can get this stuff on the main list
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 6:58 pm        Reply with quote

Ridley is apparently in a dead or alive game
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:48 pm        Reply with quote

no but the simpsons game has god and william shakespeare which can connect into the system
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 8:58 pm        Reply with quote

okay i think i have enough wacky characters on for now

this is a hilarious list
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:06 pm        Reply with quote

Okay I had to get in Metal Wolf Chaos now I'm gonna go lie down
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:54 pm        Reply with quote

Dracula is in Evolution Skateboarding with Solid Snake so that saves a step and castlevania can at the very least move up one level

He is also in Konami Krazy Racers which should bring in some other franchises

Dracula as seen in Billy and Mandy is a character in Fusionfall so the cartoon network dudes can come up

Dracula is in a game called Alien Monster Bowling League which also features Anubis so there is one connection to Anubis
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:30 am        Reply with quote

Goku/Kenshiro/JoJo all the animes were in Jump Superstars with Yugi Muto who was in Yu-Gi-Oh! World Championship 2008 with Goemon (as a character instead of just a card even) who was in Konami Wai Wai World with Simon Belmont who was in DreamMix TV World Fighters with Solid Snake who was in Super Smash Bros with Mario who was in Mario Kart Arcade GP with Pac Man who was in Tekken vs Street Fighter with Nina Williams.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 1:34 pm        Reply with quote

bomberman is also just straight up in dream mix tv fighters but it's more fun to put in another crossover game unless there is a smaller williams number
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:17 pm        Reply with quote

we could probably use the religious/mythology route to go binding of issac -> gish -> super meat boy

max from poker night was in a star wars game although i'm not sure if it was one that has vader in it but i mean it's star wars
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 2:40 pm        Reply with quote

I suppose via Dennis Rodman/Frankstein's Monster we can add the cast of Celebrity Deathmatch

edit: or carmen electra who via def jam was already lurking in the ecosystem hahahaha
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:20 pm        Reply with quote

good call taco

king graham from king's quest has a cameo in leisure suit larry 1 in a laboratory

so it would go

Larry Laffer is in Leisure Suit Larry with King Graham who is in King's Quest II with Dracula who is in Castlevania with Simon Belmont who is in Dream Mix TV Fighters with Solid Snake who is in Super Smash Bros with Mario who is in Mario Kart Arcade with Pac Man who is in Tekken vs Street Fighter with Nina Willams

So he is a seven (or a six when we update maybe)

Larry was also in Police Quest II so that's all the games with Sonny Bonds

Sierra is weird ya'll
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:30 pm        Reply with quote

the mad hatter is in that bubsy fairy tale game so bubsy can go in via kingdom hearts

i think aero is shit out of luck
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:49 pm        Reply with quote

Okay Star Trek 25th Anniversary has the god Quetzalcoatl as a character so that can tie in via Persona, Final Fantasy, or Indiana Jones
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:02 pm        Reply with quote

MARIOZONE wrote:
Unfortunately Sleazy the Mad Hatter has never appeared in a KH game, but Alice has so you can connect them through American McGee.


Okay let's say card soldiers instead
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 7:52 pm        Reply with quote

These are all really great guys.

Gorblax let me see if I can try and specify a definition to make sure these are all under the same parameters:


This list is primarily (but not exclusively) for commercial video games.

A game crossover point happens when 2 or more specific characters from separate video game narratives are visibly onscreen in a gameworld where it is possible for them to interact.

The character who crosses over may be in different forms in different works as long as it is always recognizably the same character.

In the gameworld, text mentions of characters do not count as canon.

In the gameworld, image based representations of a character such as a photo, a painting, or graffiti do not count as canon.

A character who only appears on a game's company logo does not count as within the gameworld and is not canon.

The Dr. Light Exception - If a character is viewing a recorded message of another character via video or holography it counts as long as all other rules are followed.

If multiple games are in a collection they do not count as one gameworld.

For characters who are currently copyrighted by different corporations, the separate parties involved with the creation of or legally in charge of the characters all need to agree. Cameos such as those in Revenge of Shinobi or Duke Nukem 3D do not count as canon. Fangames using copyrighted characters are not canon.

The Take It Sleazy Dopefish Exception: If a game has a physical Dopefish it counts as a crossover point to Commander Keen despite it not necessarily being legal because that is the spirit of the Dopefish and the Dopefish is great.

For literary characters who are in the public domain any use is allowed.

For real world figures dead or alive any use is allowed.

For mythological and religious figures any use is allowed.

In all cases the characters must be specifically nameable and non-generic. Count Dracula is a character. "A vampire" is not.

The Henchman and Creature Exception: A collective of characters who are specific to a work or group of works such as Final Fantasy Moogles, Dragon Quest Slimes, Mega Man Servbots, or Pokemon Pikachus count as a canon crossover point as long as they follow all the other rules.

Do you disagree with anything or is there anything else that needs to be clarified?

Are we counting fictional corporations or locations as crossover points? Are we counting in-game items or power ups as crossover points?

I think it's cleaner and better with characters only, but it's up to you Gorblax.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:32 pm        Reply with quote

I feel weird saying that Moais are too generic but The Alive Statue of Liberty (non-robotic?) should maybe count as a thing?

Speaking of which I am still thinking about the Ghostbusters/Garfield/Mickey Mouse Crazy Castle game because they do have visually the exact same enemies and final boss and everything although I don't know if they have different names.

I don't think there's ever a scenario where Yoshimitsu is in a crossover without another Tekken character so I am just locking that away in the emergency vault.
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