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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:50 am        Reply with quote

internisus wrote:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-09-02-kojima-would-like-to-make-a-metal-gear-game-starring-the-boss

I want to play a game as The Boss. Probably.


YES PLEASE


ground zeroes is apparently set to be a current gen game. No confirmation if that video was running on current console dev kits or on computers approximating next gen console tech.


*there had better be a Shagohod in mothballs somewhere for me to commandeer.


**the vehicle stuff really opens up the possibility that the New MGO could be a mix of typica MGO and Socom 3 or something---which was kind of a blend between typical Socom and Battlefield games.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:30 pm        Reply with quote

wanna make a joke wherein i say something like "Metal Gear Solid 9/11s looks really good"

or somethin'

but, hm. yeah, i'm curious.

honestly, i wish MGS went back to the visual style/aesthetic of MGS1 (really vivid, weird colors). it looks so dark.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:43 pm        Reply with quote

Isfet wrote:
(really vivid, weird colors)


yeah, I miss this too actually. the strange colour pallet is probably the strongest memory I have of mgs
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:44 pm        Reply with quote

I really liked 2's oranges. 3 was pretty saturated as well. What I wonder is: can you make that work on higher resolution graphics without looking too weird and how much does the lighting engine play a part?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:07 pm        Reply with quote

Kinto wrote:
I'm kind of annoyed because there's a lot of actually physically possible tech they could've used, like foldable paper computers.
While you can print circuitry unto paper (and use it as part of the manufacture of FET transistors), and to a point displays can be made in a "paper-like" substrate, I assure you none of those are meant to be anything like foldable, it's an environmental/economical issue. Thank popular media for twisting physics and making us believe the future of moving newspapers is just around the corner, truth is that we can hardly bend displays at more than 30 degrees, and circuitry still has very strict mechanical limits. Here's a cool Popular Science article from '68 where they talk about the potential of this "just around the corner" technology.

bananas wrote:
I think I've seen some sorta-hologram things from the past CES or two. I tried finding videos of them on youtube but can't find them for one reason or another. They worked by
pulsing lasers at intersecting points in a sort of cloudy solution?
I mean yeah having that hologram map in the 70s or whatever is completely out of bounds, but maybe it's coming eventually.


These demos use green lasers in water because you can use a "legal" laser. The final part of the video shows the same technology with a blue 2000MJ laser that works on air. That is their old 2006 hardware working, because you can actually make the plasma bursts as small as the ones in the tank, see an example here.

Of course, even if we could build a portable laser with enough pulsing power to create plasma but so short/fast the cracking sound would be above our hearing frequency, facing a large screen like that up close would likely bathe you in X-Rays (and erm, radio and gamma rays, really).
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:38 pm        Reply with quote

It's alright, it's not like Big Boss hasn't been subjected to xrays/gamma rays/radio waves before.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:50 pm        Reply with quote

I just want to use that delicious FNC. Seriously anticipating this title though. I might have to revisit the whole entirety of the series.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:17 am        Reply with quote

FNC. Nicknamed "Old Reliable" in my intensive Raven Shield days.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:07 am        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
FNC. Nicknamed "Old Reliable" in my intensive Raven Shield days.


Oh for fuck's sake, now that's just teasing. I had practically the same name for the G3. You sure we can't Hamachi this shit over Steam? By the way, my Steam ID is Costel777.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:58 am        Reply with quote

parker wrote:
Bullets don't really tumble end over end through the air like they did in that cutscene with The Boss. Tumbling refers to what they do when hitting the body.

I keep forgetting about David Hayter. I'm sick of that guy's voice. I want the option to hear the Toshiro Mifune sounding guy.

Hayter's been doing a caricature of his MGS1 delivery for a decade now. I really wish he'd knock it off.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:21 am        Reply with quote

costel wrote:
CubaLibre wrote:
FNC. Nicknamed "Old Reliable" in my intensive Raven Shield days.


Oh for fuck's sake, now that's just teasing. I had practically the same name for the G3. You sure we can't Hamachi this shit over Steam? By the way, my Steam ID is Costel777.

I'm not sure about anything, but I've never been able to get a working server running. Haven't tried Hamachi, I dunno if that would help. But on the forums there's like "the way to make a Raven Shield server work 100% guaranteed" and I did it and it didn't work. Networking is maddening.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 6:46 am        Reply with quote

BotageL wrote:
parker wrote:
Bullets don't really tumble end over end through the air like they did in that cutscene with The Boss. Tumbling refers to what they do when hitting the body.

I keep forgetting about David Hayter. I'm sick of that guy's voice. I want the option to hear the Toshiro Mifune sounding guy.

Hayter's been doing a caricature of his MGS1 delivery for a decade now. I really wish he'd knock it off.

It looked to me in the video like Big Boss was looking more like the MGS4 Epilogue Big Boss than just Snake with an eye patch, it'd be neat if they went with Solidus' or 4's Big Boss voice actor or a similar sounding guy instead. Of course they won't, they can't even stop calling him Snake.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:02 am        Reply with quote

At the end of Peace Walker he wasn't even Big Boss. He was Vic Boss.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:33 pm        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
Well yeah, you can make it happen but it's a malfunction and has absolutely no benefits and a whole ream of downsides. But I don't mind it in MGS, because MGS.

So much of what makes the MGS aesthetic is that kind of stylistic absurdity and magical realism. Vulcan Raven, Fortune, Volgin; butterflies molded out of plastic explosive, a guy in a robotic tentacle-armed suit wielding katanas, melodramatic pleas about love blooming on the battlefield; it all serves to make sure you realize how unbelievable, over-the-top, and ridiculous all the action is, even while presenting serious, complex, and real issues.

MGS3 was probably the most polished example. MGS4 seemed to try to discard it entirely, even going so far as to retcon out the established supernatural elements. (I'm getting the feeling that there's something worth consideration in correlating the dominance of the Patriots' system in MGS4 with the disappearance and denial of magic (hi Adilegian).) I actually have played neither Portable Ops nor Peace Walker, so I don't have a good idea how those fit in, really.

The point is, holograms are cool and really shouldn't be a sticking point when it comes to MGS.


Isfet wrote:
wanna make a joke wherein i say something like "Metal Gear Solid 9/11s looks really good"

or somethin'

Maybe like, "So how about that Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Towers?"

(this joke is mostly a bad idea IMO, but I can't help but help with wordplay)
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:44 am        Reply with quote

I finally tried Peace Walker for the first time, co-oping the first few missions. it turned into a quasi-phone sex episode at one point but other than that I wasn't too impressed; the limited moveset vs. other games doesn't really feel in any way purposeful (ditto the theoretical emphasis on setpieces with all of these small, focused areas, that are so far not nearly as good as the shack in the Virtuous Mission). the monster hunter aspects are also so far pretty pointless -- it's not any worse than, say, Valkryia Chronicles as far as remarkably uninteresting party-management interludes go, but in no way is this any better than if MGS3's campaign had been co-op.

it does seem to be the only extant MGO implementation currently, so that's something, and I did get it in a bundle with 2 and 3 so I don't feel especially shortchanged, but so far I've seen nothing to indicate that this series is back on any kind of track.

meanwhile, as I mentioned elsewhere, I'm working through Twin Snakes for the first-ish time in 1080p on dolphin and not finding it nearly as limp as I remember from when I gave the actual native gamecube release a shot eight years ago.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 4:48 am        Reply with quote

It's pretty obvious to me (as another new Peace Walker player) that the limited moveset is entirely a result of the game's original residence on the PSP. As are the bite-sized missions. In that sense I think it's really smartly-designed for its hardware. For me, a guy who likes bite-sizedness but loathes handhelds for a number of physiological reasons, it's a pretty nice little time.
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yeah, but even that is sort of fucked up -- the game gives you the option, but you're totally hamstrung if you use any control set other than MGS4-style boring third-person-shooter run and gun style. I like handhelds just fine; this seems fairly compromised. metal gear, to me, has never been about anything other than maximalism.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:07 am        Reply with quote

I'm expecting high things from this game. It might just be what MGS4 was supposed to be. So the timeline is after Big Boss was severely burned, right? And player character is Snake rather than Big Boss? I haven't finished Peace Walker so I'm kind of out of the loop here.

Edit: Er, wait. Eyepatch, so no, I am dumb.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:03 am        Reply with quote

Felix wrote:
yeah, but even that is sort of fucked up -- the game gives you the option, but you're totally hamstrung if you use any control set other than MGS4-style boring third-person-shooter run and gun style. I like handhelds just fine; this seems fairly compromised. metal gear, to me, has never been about anything other than maximalism.

I used mgs3 controls. I didn't have a problem with it except for having to twist my hand up into a mangled claw to shoot and move at the same time, though I hardly needed to outside the multiplayer boss fights. I got used to it quick and it was all worth it though just to have shooting back on the square button where it belonged.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 6:34 am        Reply with quote

I put PW on Monster Hunter style and never regretted it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:08 am        Reply with quote

Toups wrote:
I'm not gonna read this whole thread but I think this game looks p. cool.

just thought I'd weigh in with my worthless opinion.

okay bye.

gtfo toups, get internet serious ok
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:10 am        Reply with quote

Persona wrote:
It's alright, it's not like Big Boss hasn't been subjected to xrays/gamma rays/radio waves before.

In the sequel, you play as Big Boss's sperm trying to sneak pass the radiation on its way to the egg of Nameless JPNese Woman X in order to make it to EVA's fertile aqueducts.
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Texican Rude wrote:
Vic Voss.

Corrected dawg
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 8:12 am        Reply with quote

Felix wrote:
MGS4-style boring third-person-shooter run and gun style

Hey shut up I'll kill any man who
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:52 am        Reply with quote

I'm upgrading my stance on peace walker to "pleasant cash-in." without co-op I don't think that any of the bite-sizing or the moveset restricting or the weapon upgrading or the easy levels are improvements on MGS3 -- MGS has still been "over" since 2006 as far as I'm concerned -- but for two people, it's very, very playable, and I am genuinely glad that I have a $15 ticket to MGO as it is.
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MGS is finally going full-on into immersion culture. Whatever this game's equivalent to Mother Base is, you'll be able to access it, customize it, probably set little weapons development projects in motion, etc., on mobile devices, so that you can get your GZ fix even on the rare occasion that you've acted on the crazy thought of getting some fresh air.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:36 pm        Reply with quote

As someone who liked the mother base managing - this sounds awesome.
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I just want to be out there on my own running one big mission that I might not come back from.

This base management stuff feels suspiciously like working a day job.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:03 pm        Reply with quote

Grant Dempsey wrote:
MGS is finally going full-on into immersion culture. Whatever this game's equivalent to Mother Base is, you'll be able to access it, customize it, probably set little weapons development projects in motion, etc., on mobile devices, so that you can get your GZ fix even on the rare occasion that you've acted on the crazy thought of getting some fresh air.


I think this is...pretty gross, actually.

on the upside, we're a couple developments from this game turning into an action game X-com
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thestage wrote:
Grant Dempsey wrote:
MGS is finally going full-on into immersion culture. Whatever this game's equivalent to Mother Base is, you'll be able to access it, customize it, probably set little weapons development projects in motion, etc., on mobile devices, so that you can get your GZ fix even on the rare occasion that you've acted on the crazy thought of getting some fresh air.


I think this is...pretty gross, actually.


Which part? All of it or? Because I don't really care about the mobile integration one way or the other so long as it doesn't detract from the game in any way. It's more the management minigame and actually being able to visit your motherbase-thing this time that I'm excited about.
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TXTSWORD wrote:
thestage wrote:
Grant Dempsey wrote:
MGS is finally going full-on into immersion culture. Whatever this game's equivalent to Mother Base is, you'll be able to access it, customize it, probably set little weapons development projects in motion, etc., on mobile devices, so that you can get your GZ fix even on the rare occasion that you've acted on the crazy thought of getting some fresh air.


I think this is...pretty gross, actually.


Which part? All of it or? Because I don't really care about the mobile integration one way or the other so long as it doesn't detract from the game in any way. It's more the management minigame and actually being able to visit your motherbase-thing this time that I'm excited about.


yeah, that stuff's fine, I'm just not big on the whole "hey people like phones and they sure get mad when they can't do a thing they want to do at any hour of the day from anywhere in the world or at least that's what endless TV commercials and apple branding missions keep telling me" thing. and if the game is developed in a way that encourages this rather than simply features it--check your base every ten seconds for BONUS GEAR!--we're getting into like farmville territory.
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Yeah, I totally agree with you there. We'll have to see how it develops. For some reason I imagine them just diminishing the idea into "okay well snake has an iphone in the game then" and there's no real life mobile integration and then they're like "See we did it!!!" but that's all probably just wishful thinking.

The real danger isn't them finding ways to encourage the mobile use, though, it's them finding ways to limit your access to the game in a way that playing into their shitty idea becomes necessary to enjoy the full experience.
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I doubt that it's going to be an "important" part of the game experience, or at least that it'll be more important than MPO's "Find recruitment hotspots!" feature. It's probably just going to be a way of letting you micromanage your arsenal and your troops the same way you'll be able to in the game itself, in a special little Mother Base app. And maybe they'll throw in a cute mobile-specific minigame mode, so you can take some of your non-Snake guys through five to ten minute stages, or something.
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http://www.computerandvideogames.com/370508/metal-gear-online-to-be-developed-at-kojima-productions-la/

The worst part of Metal Gear Online was the Americans. So they're designing the next Metal Gear Online.
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Oh man - if they ruin MGO I'm going to be so depressed.

I mean - hopefully they'll see how serious MGO fans are about MGO? But like everything else they'll probably develop for an audience that didn't like MGO because that audience is larger.
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I hear there's some kind of base building feature!
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wait, are you talking about the next MGO?

Man, that could be great. It probably won't be, and it's novelty would entirely depend on the game mechanics, but...hmm.



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If the average American MGO player could design the next iteration, there would only be four maps, the only gun would be the M4, the only way to kill people would be headshots, and half the screen would be covered in meaningless l33t dialogue and "KICK XYZ PLAYER?" prompts.

There's no way that the new MGO could be that bad. The main two things I hope that they will retain from MGO is how powerless you feel when being choked (total dread) and the compartmentalized level design.
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elvis.shrugged wrote:
If the average American MGO player could design the next iteration, there would only be four maps, the only gun would be the M4, the only way to kill people would be headshots, and half the screen would be covered in meaningless l33t dialogue and "KICK XYZ PLAYER?" prompts.

There's no way that the new MGO could be that bad. The main two things I hope that they will retain from MGO is how powerless you feel when being choked (total dread) and the compartmentalized level design.


Yeah - good point. I do choose to forget some of those things. Still - I'd rather have all that horrible bullshit than end up with some garbage tacked on multiplayer feature that's no better than any other war shooter out there... which is about what I expect from outsourcing to a newly established American team.
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True. :( My point was that MGO was so good that it was worth all of the shitty American players, not that it was bad and needed replacing (sorry if I gave off that impression). If anything, those problems were all caused by American players trying to turn MGO into the COD headshot-fest that it wasn't intended to be. I'm nervous that an American developer will bring out those very traits, like you said.
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Oh, yeah then I totally agree with you. The American player base did some pretty heinous shit with the tools at hand.
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