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TXTSWORD



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:23 pm        Reply with quote

internisus wrote:
remote wrote:
He's done some good videos. Mostly I just resent cults of personality and I don't want to see a tribute to some guy on youtube in Dark Souls II.


Neither do I, but that's kind of a separate thing. I don't know what his fans are like, but is it fair to blame him for them?


I don't think anyone is blaming him - but the point is that he doesn't deserve a shield in his most holy honour *bow gesture, bow gesture*

I mean, he's not horrible or anything, but like Remote said - he isn't particularly special? However, when a facebook poll came up from the dks facebook about what community member offered the most to dks, the name EpicNameBro was spammed by every single person without mention of people like the guy that single-handedly made the PC port playable or other youtubers with vastly more interesting content like sansvie or onlyafro who are doing their best to stretch the limits of the game's surface enjoyment. Not that I'm going to say PvP type videos are more valuable than lore type videos or vice versa, but I never even really found ENB to be all that insightful and far from entertaining. At the time of the poll, the community members were basically demanding that ENB get a tribute item in DKS2 - and then demanding an NPC named after him etc. I suggested that everything in the game should be named as "Epic Sword Bro" according to what the thing is without differentiating types of "swords" for example. So there would be a dozen Epic Sword Bros with no difference in naming. Epic Spell Bro, Epic Armor Bro, Epic NPC Bro, etc. Epic Dark Souls 2 Bro, Prepare To Epic Edition Bro Bro.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:39 pm        Reply with quote

I wish there were less shields with faces on them.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:03 pm        Reply with quote

TXTSWORD wrote:
internisus wrote:
remote wrote:
He's done some good videos. Mostly I just resent cults of personality and I don't want to see a tribute to some guy on youtube in Dark Souls II.


Neither do I, but that's kind of a separate thing. I don't know what his fans are like, but is it fair to blame him for them?


I don't think anyone is blaming him - but the point is that he doesn't deserve a shield in his most holy honour *bow gesture, bow gesture*

I mean, he's not horrible or anything, but like Remote said - he isn't particularly special? However, when a facebook poll came up from the dks facebook about what community member offered the most to dks, the name EpicNameBro was spammed by every single person without mention of people like the guy that single-handedly made the PC port playable or other youtubers with vastly more interesting content like sansvie or onlyafro who are doing their best to stretch the limits of the game's surface enjoyment. Not that I'm going to say PvP type videos are more valuable than lore type videos or vice versa, but I never even really found ENB to be all that insightful and far from entertaining. At the time of the poll, the community members were basically demanding that ENB get a tribute item in DKS2 - and then demanding an NPC named after him etc. I suggested that everything in the game should be named as "Epic Sword Bro" according to what the thing is without differentiating types of "swords" for example. So there would be a dozen Epic Sword Bros with no difference in naming. Epic Spell Bro, Epic Armor Bro, Epic NPC Bro, etc. Epic Dark Souls 2 Bro, Prepare To Epic Edition Bro Bro.


The reason why FROM is awesome is because they are the type of company to put a monk in the game named Epoch and he would be a complete asshat not from what he did personally, but what his followers did propping him up on a pedestal.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:36 pm        Reply with quote

myxozoa wrote:
Drew the most Heavy Metal shield I could think of.
It's probably not eligible though.
edit: Got rejected :(

(and now i spot the typo...OTL)


that's really cool! more improvised gear like that would be awesome. Unfortunately, you have to follow a template for this contest : \
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:28 am        Reply with quote

Stick it on the template but imply that the rest of the shield is a transparent .png in fine print and resubmit
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:31 am        Reply with quote

Would anyone here be interesting in professionalizing (read: photoshopping) an idea of mine? I have a small sketch, and I wouldn't mind if whoever helps uses their name instead of mine. I'm just motivated to contribute a good design.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:39 am        Reply with quote

Was hoping they'd scale up to a full armour set contest but this is still a nice thing
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:20 pm        Reply with quote

So, reflecting on this, I think Miyazaki has been put to work on the 'real' DS sequel, for next-gen consoles, which will have a thematically consistent name like 'Doomed Souls' or 'Dank Souls' or whatever.

DS2 is their Majora's Mask, or (less optimistically) their Final Fantasy X-2, meant to be pushed out quickly before the next gen consoles hit, and to significantly reuse the old engine and assets to make that possible.

Possible reasons they are keeping this secret: 1) they don't want the next-gen game to cannibalize sales from Dark Souls 2, or 2) the real sequel is exclusive to an unannounced console.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 2:49 pm        Reply with quote

1) X-2 is at least better than X

2) they said in an interview that ds2 doesn't reuse any assets from the old engine.

3) I hope you're right
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:19 pm        Reply with quote

Apprently they said they don't even use the same engine, to which I say bullshit. They are showing almost finished content too sonn for them to have developed a new engine, especially since the resources spent are hard to justify at the end of the generation. It's probably just marketing speak and they "merely" rewrote/optimized parts of their existing Phyre base.

Also, the contest shields that will appear in the game will be hand picked by FROM from a pool of the 30 most voted, so I have faith that they will use their good judgment w/r/t silly community injokey shields.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 8:32 pm        Reply with quote

But I had already planned a video in which a friend and I find creative ways to discard the ENB shield, one of which includes the equivalent of selling it to frampt and using the gained souls to buy dung.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:53 am        Reply with quote

Iacus wrote:
Apprently they said they don't even use the same engine, to which I say bullshit. They are showing almost finished content too sonn for them to have developed a new engine, especially since the resources spent are hard to justify at the end of the generation. It's probably just marketing speak and they "merely" rewrote/optimized parts of their existing Phyre base.


It could be as simple as a much newer version of Phyre. Or it could be some amalgam of handpicked middlewares, specifically to overcome all the problems they had before. On top of that they could have worked more closely with MS and Sony to make sure the things they dump into the engine are actually utilizing some of the special abilities of each platform. Who knows.

I mean, they've been working on it for like two years already. Its not that hard to cobble together engines nowadays, with all the middlewares and pre-made semi custom code libraries. We ARE at the end of this hardware generation. and they certainly have some money now, to throw at that sort of thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:01 am        Reply with quote

At least that ENB shield is tastefully done.

I've watched a bunch of his videos and he strikes me a pretty humble, kind dude. He also spends a lot of time working on his videos, and responds to comments pretty actively. There are far worse internet gaming personalities out there. Yes, the people who end up popular aren't always the ones that are most deserving, but the world is full of injustice. It's a damn shield. He didn't make the shield, and I'm sure he isn't encouraging people to vote for it either. There are better players to hate.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:06 am        Reply with quote

never said i hated the guy. sorry for being somewhat critical of a super popular youtube dude? forget i said anything, i guess.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:36 pm        Reply with quote

remote wrote:
never said i hated the guy. sorry for being somewhat critical of a super popular youtube dude? forget i said anything, i guess.


No, come on - rye is looking at this wrong. No one said they hate ENB so don't validate that shit by apologizing. The problem here is his obnoxious fan base that ignores people actually making substantial contributions to the "community" while they hype up just some dude making the same videos plenty of other people have already made but with a personality that I guess appeals to the "community". The fact that he didn't make or endorse the shield is exactly the problem. Its getting votes on name alone and the fact that people are running around the Internet saying ENB TRIBUTE SHIELD VOTE NOW! Its just kind of gross, and if it doesn't seem like that big of a deal then you should realize that responding to our offhandedly comments only serves to validate what we're saying as a legitimate issue worthy of discussion.

Disclaimer: I don't mean to speak for remote or represent my opinions as being his in any way. Additionally, I don't mean to come off as hostile or confrontational to Rye. Just trying to defend my stance, b.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:04 pm        Reply with quote

Toptube wrote:
Iacus wrote:
Apprently they said they don't even use the same engine, to which I say bullshit. They are showing almost finished content too sonn for them to have developed a new engine, especially since the resources spent are hard to justify at the end of the generation. It's probably just marketing speak and they "merely" rewrote/optimized parts of their existing Phyre base.


It could be as simple as a much newer version of Phyre. Or it could be some amalgam of handpicked middlewares, specifically to overcome all the problems they had before. On top of that they could have worked more closely with MS and Sony to make sure the things they dump into the engine are actually utilizing some of the special abilities of each platform. Who knows.

I mean, they've been working on it for like two years already. Its not that hard to cobble together engines nowadays, with all the middlewares and pre-made semi custom code libraries. We ARE at the end of this hardware generation. and they certainly have some money now, to throw at that sort of thing.

That's kind of what I mean. They made the new assets, but the game engine itself is probably not too different than the Phyre+Havok+Facegen+whatever they were using for Dark Souls.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:36 pm        Reply with quote

Using stable middleware and not spending much time improving it is exactly appropriate. In fact, it's one of the underappreciated reasons for the success of Dark Souls. Why was a medium-sized developer like From able to create a huge world? They just focused on churning out assets and designing gameplay for an existing engine, instead of wasting artists' and designers' time on engine churn like ambitious game usually devs do. It also seems that From is one of the only Japanese developers that really is utilizing the middleware out there.

As for the definition of "new engine" it's pretty vague, every engine is an evolution of an existing one. A lot of modern engines still have little bits of Quake 3 engine in them. So the marketing team can claim whatever they want, fine. I'm sure whatever it is will have some nice improvements.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:54 am        Reply with quote

is there anything in the previous D. Souls games like how in the most interesting dungeon in Skyrim, there's a 'unique' dragon if you yell your "get ragdolled" shout at a glowing thing that is never mentioned anywhere in the game (the dragon or the thing you shout at)? A hidden easter egg-ish mini-boss?

I figure there has to be, but I don't know these games, obviously.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:01 am        Reply with quote

Ssssort of, if you're counting the world tendency events, and the harder-to-find aggressive NPCs, in Demon's. I have yet to meat at least two of the characters (whose existence I only know of because of the loading screen pictures), and have no idea how to do so. Understanding of world tendency varies from person to person, though. For Dark Souls', slightly possibly its additional content; but, iirc, the original trailers show where Shit Goes Down. So once you find a new enemy and dropped item in an old haunt, you probably will know where to go with said item. And everyone'd know that there was new stuff, anyway. So Demon's is closer to what you're asking about.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:14 am        Reply with quote

Darks Souls pre-DLC has a couple of encounters that you have to figure out how to have, by accident or being especially exploratory.

Also, The Great Hollow would arguably fit with this sort of thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:16 am        Reply with quote

i mean, finding your way back to the asylum and then realizing a boss has been there all along is sort of along those lines
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:36 pm        Reply with quote

Yep, all of those things are true. I'm just not sure how DAIS is defining "hidden easter egg-ish."
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 5:32 pm        Reply with quote

I probably didn't read remote's post closely enough, and I was probably grumpy or something when I posted myself. I should pay better attention.
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PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 11:42 am        Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 9:17 am        Reply with quote

Check out this shield design submitted for the Dark Souls 2 contest, by "McNicol" of Canada:

"Tide Warden"

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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 2:13 pm        Reply with quote


https://apps.facebook.com/darksoulsii/?gallery&action=view&id=2948

Some guy from reddit made three shield, one great one (this one), one decent but better than most one, and one not very good one that is on the first page (ordered by votes).


If this shield were in the game I would be satisfied with this contest.

Oh P.S. the ENB shield is in first place.
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 3:17 pm        Reply with quote

the enb shield has been #1 for a while, but since from are apparently choosing from the top 30 i have faith they'll overlook it

i mean, it's not an interesting design

should it actually end up in the game, though, fuck it — it's not like i'll be likely to use a greatshield, anyway
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:48 pm        Reply with quote

Why are all of these shields being stuck into the same shape? Is that a condition of the contest?
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PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 6:56 pm        Reply with quote

diplo wrote:
Why are all of these shields being stuck into the same shape? Is that a condition of the contest?


Yes, each region has a shield template they have to work from.

Tower for US, round for EU, kite for JP
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 3:53 am        Reply with quote

TXTSWORD wrote:

https://apps.facebook.com/darksoulsii/?gallery&action=view&id=2948

Some guy from reddit made three shield, one great one (this one), one decent but better than most one, and one not very good one that is on the first page (ordered by votes).


If this shield were in the game I would be satisfied with this contest.

Oh P.S. the ENB shield is in first place.


that thing looks really cool. Lots of little details. Is "Green Man" another way to say "Father Nature"?
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 1:31 pm        Reply with quote

I had to google this because I'm not familiar, but apparently a green man is a drawing or sculpture of a head made of leaves/foliage which exists in many cultures and without any one specific mythology. The Wikipedia said something like the common symbol was created independantly by each culture in which it appears. Idk maybe im just misreading. That all spuds kind of interesting though, as it comes with a sort of lore blank slate. It also works with From's love of pulling from real world items, designs, locations.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 2:22 pm        Reply with quote

Does anyone mind posting some of the shields to a place that's not Facebook?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 4:50 am        Reply with quote

Talbain wrote:
Does anyone mind posting some of the shields to a place that's not Facebook?


Please don't post these links anywhere else. I'm using a free dbox account.

Japan/Asia top 30
https://www.dropbox.com/s/a9d1hw6xvzrdhmh/DS3JPtop30.zip?m

Europe top 30
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7aecg9aqwhzc8g0/DS2Eurotop30.zip?m

U.S. Top 30
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zwuikn9jbld1op1/DS2UStop30.zip
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:45 pm        Reply with quote

I won't but, is there anything in particular you're worried about? I can re-host the images, unless that's a problem?
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 6:45 pm        Reply with quote

I'm assuming free accounts have monthly bandwidth caps. If there are no caps, well then is mostly ok.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 3:13 am        Reply with quote




shhhh...
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:09 am        Reply with quote

TXT, what is stopping you from creating some tastefully designed dark souls t-shirts?

(no offense DJ rad shirt. did you go to a press event thing?)
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 4:55 am        Reply with quote

Would wear a decent polo with a little embroidered Dark Souls something (humanity icon? Solaire praise-the-Sun silhouette?)
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 11:45 pm        Reply with quote

rye wrote:
TXT, what is stopping you from creating some tastefully designed dark souls t-shirts?

I'm pretty sure the answer is copyright.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 1:30 am        Reply with quote

Honestly it's more about care and time and resources.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 2:09 am        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
rye wrote:
TXT, what is stopping you from creating some tastefully designed dark souls t-shirts?

I'm pretty sure the answer is copyright.


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