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Rud31
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| NeoGAF user reported that eShop purchases are tied to the Wii U console instead of the Nintendo Network ID, if you pick up a used console, you will be able to download games the previous owner bought for free. User reported that he was able to download Trine 2 and Nano Assault Neo for free on a used Wii U console, because previous owner purchased those games and deleted them before the console was sold. |
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Felix
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:26 pm |
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| NeoGAF user reported that eShop purchases are tied to the Wii U console instead of the Nintendo Network ID, if you pick up a used console, you will be able to download games the previous owner bought for free. User reported that he was able to download Trine 2 and Nano Assault Neo for free on a used Wii U console, because previous owner purchased those games and deleted them before the console was sold. |
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While ostensibly an answer to the PS3 disk-lock thing discussed on the prior page -- you can still sell your console such that it'll "include" all of your games, and while this complicates the Amazon marketplace somewhat it does allow you to resell your still-physical goods -- it's actually just a really weird implementation. |
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Loki Laufeyson
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The Troops
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Lasakon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:10 am |
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2 deep 4 me
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Dark Age Iron Savior
king of finders
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:41 am |
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| whoa, is that JC Denton?! |
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Tulpa
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:32 am |
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jcdenton wears sunglasses dais you should know this shit
though there is more than passing resemblance, might be denton's brother paul?
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Toptube
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:28 am |
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| i never beat deus ex |
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Felix
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:58 am |
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| The Troops wrote: |
I can confirm the following: both the next PlayStation and the next Xbox will have literally identical specifications, deriving from the same A10 AMD integrated C/GPU chip. Originally, Sony was targeting 2GB of faster RAM, and Microsoft was going for 8GB of DDR4, but, as with achievements, etc., anytime Microsoft Does A Thing, Sony has to also do it, so now they're both 8GB, ushering in an amazing new low in vidcon homogeny. Same specs, same controller, yet different friends lists, and empty, pointless "exclusivity."
You know, when the Wii U controller was shown for the first time, and I saw that both analog sticks had been elevated to sit on the highest places, I was for about thirty seconds slightly disturbed, but then a feeling of resignation came over me, like, yup, this is what videogames are now. Circlestrafing. For Nintendo, the company that made the GameCube pad and the Wii Remote, to now be putting out a product that has more nobs and gyroscopes and touchscreens than a fucking jet cockpit, something that is somehow more horrifying than the 360 pad the Wii was originally designed to simplify, because, somewhere in an Excel Spreadsheet, words like "Western" and "Core" were floating around. "See, we got the same fuckin' shit as everyone else! You like Same Fuckin' Shit, don't you?"
Anyway, welcome to the one console future. |
to be fair, they had really really little to gain from going with different architectures at this point. it wasn't long into the current generation that it became clear that -- apart from the novelty of the PS3 architecture, hulking prestige project for no one that it was, and the trickle of japanese devs that still supported it exclusively -- even if (like me) you always thought of yourself as a console guy who occasionally dicked with a PC for emulation or the odd turn-based strategy game, it was no longer cost-effective for consoles to be compellingly distinct from one another, and you should just get on the steam train and be happy with not having a thick layer of bullshit marketed to you every time you turn your now-pointlessly-locked-down machine on, at the very least.
now, I know some people on this very forum who would still much rather wade through console marketing bullshit than PC maintenance bullshit. I am obliged to respect them, because I know full well that I enjoy tinkering with things and I have little regard for my own time in such matters, but man.
that ship sailed. and frankly, I like this a hell of a lot better than 2006-8, when the 360 had ushered in this boring new era of achievements and critically acclaimed brogames and the Wii was lazy and disingenuous and Ueda and Mikami and Nagoshi and Takahashi and Kojima and Matsuno and Treasure had failed to do anything interesting on the PS3. I was pretty depressed about the state of videogames in those days. but all of the euro indies are pretty doing pretty darned alright for themselves on steam now, and I feel pretty good about that.
I mean, honestly, if after the last seven years the thing you choose to be upset about is hardware architectures being made more similar, I don't know what to tell you. architectures! not even peripherals! if you want to play johann sebastian joust, be my guest, that stuff is super cool. but what exactly is it that you expect from a set-top box?
also PS4 still at least won't have directx so wooo yeah more openGL development on compatible architecture linux 4eva |
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thestage
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:59 am |
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| it's always been a one console market, they just originally called that one console the PC. done right, homogeneity is more liberating than restraining. the same Nintendo that was supposed to save us from whatever we needed saving from has made the same mario game five times in the past handful of years, and sold the Wii on three progressive series of minigame collections, each of which trojaned a new piece of plastic. |
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Felix
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hear hear. I mean, I think that the differences in audiovisual output between the SNES and the Genesis, and between the N64 and the Playstation, and between the Gamecube and the PS2 were as neat as anyone, but if that's really what you're in search of in 2013 ...
go read an HLSL textbook, then grow up. |
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ionustron
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:18 am |
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| I'm sick of streaming audio files in games today? |
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:28 am |
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| why do we have video games at all |
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Teflon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:51 am |
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| Jeez just merge already guys. |
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The Troops
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:55 am |
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:27 pm |
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| TBH I would murder you all without hestitation to get another SCIV/Bloodlines, Contra 3/Hard Corps outlier. |
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thestage
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:41 pm |
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| that was kind of the warning sign. the commodification of user input -- the twinstickpocalypse was almost single-handedly responsible for the templatization of game design. it's all very much related. |
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| I know that we can never get the days of Black and White Macintosh and pixel-countable Game Boy screens back, even though I have them here and kiss them every night |
these quotes are not compatible
commodification and fetishization are reciprocal concepts, you don't get to rage against one and cuddle with the other. you're the one fucking your childhood gameboy. twinsticks represent functionality; your idiosyncrasies represent identity much more than whatever the console war is supposed to be in 2013. and identity vis-a-vis consumer products is identity vis-a-vis consumer products, there is no anti-capitalist DMZ where fetishization transitions to acceptable after a certain amount of grain filters or dot matrices. if you were thirty in 85 instead of 201X you'd have said the same thing about the dpad.
and the emperor's clothes were always off; why was the IBM compatible for your chain smoking wall street dad and the apple II for nerds? substitute on down the line ad infinitum--did giving a laptop a touchscreen turn it from dad-functional to daughter-chic? do we even have to answer this question? |
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The Troops
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:20 pm |
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 1:30 pm |
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| I can't wait until the day when I never have to worry if my system of choice can play the latest Angry Birds |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:23 pm |
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| it's always been a one console market, they just originally called that one console the PC. |
i don't understand this, could you explain? |
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Felix
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Troops, I appreciate your responses given that I sort of yelled at you (though I also appreciate the context in which thestage is now yelling at you). For what it's worth, I also own a B&W Mac and Gameboy.
also it's news to me if DDR4 is fast enough that they'd be able to justify not using any kind of GDDR5 for video memory but I guess that serves Intel's purposes just fine
also I would be very surprised if the steambox didn't avail itself of nVidia graphics given that Intel graphics are still a couple of years away from being able to run most ultramodern stuff at 1080p and AMD drivers are still rather inconsistent on linux so there's your different architecture right there. happy? |
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notbov
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 6:29 pm |
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While AGDQ as a whole is fun, y'all should be on the lookout for the Awful Games Done Quick block (on the schedule for the 10th). It's when the runs get hilarious and some bad, obscure games get their day in the sun.
Especially Timecop (featuring music by sb's favorite Frenchman, David Cage).
FBI, GET ON IT
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Felix
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Hojulas
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 9:58 pm |
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| imagine a world where you needed a different television to watch a certain set of channels |
We kind of do! Or at least one where you need a little converter box if you don't have the right kind of TV. |
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chevluh
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 11:51 pm |
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| i don't think having the thought, "wow, this game gave me a unique experienece by tying aspects of its game design to its controller, its media, the machine's innards, et cetera," is necessarily fetishistic, but i do realize those days are long gone. |
Almost! Fez does quite a bit of that (and yet is still getting a PC port, mind you). |
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thestage
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:05 am |
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| i don't think having the thought, "wow, this game gave me a unique experienece by tying aspects of its game design to its controller, its media, the machine's innards, et cetera," is necessarily fetishistic |
but that's not what you said. you said twinsticks ruined gaming, you said that "user input elegance" is dead (aside: the wiimote was singularly awful at everything), you said older technology is better because limitations bred (arbitrary) differences, etc.
so what is the difference between the standardization of twinsticks and the standardization of the dpad 25+ years ago?
in a world where raw power and decades of user interface development and standardization exist, what is stopping anyone at all from imitating (or fetishizing, which happens all over the place) the limitations of yesterday? or, heaven help our dead minds, from coming up with something vaguely different that does not rely on romanticizing hardware from the past?
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| You know, when the Wii U controller was shown for the first time, and I saw that both analog sticks had been elevated to sit on the highest places, I was for about thirty seconds slightly disturbed, but then a feeling of resignation came over me, like, yup, this is what videogames are now. Circlestrafing. |
and I cannot imagine a world in which a hyperbolic lament regarding the choice of analog positioning as a telltale sign of the fall of the empire of our Great Hobby at the hands of the cultural huns differs even the slightest bit from the reverse. saying "we need a West and a Core, bro, so hike up those sticks and make the triggers snappy" is at worst an outright equivalent of your seeing a game boy or a game cube controller and saying "my fucking god, this is the way to salvation." if you play that game at all, you lose, whatever it is you are seeing is what you have already admitted to enabling. fuck the homogeneity of the console wars, man, back in my day pointless branding and self identification meant something. no they didn't. hardware is hardware, it does nothing save eat electricity and take up space. your problems are with developers, and if you want to tell me that the twinstickliverevolution killed design, I am going to tell you that design killed itself. they make the Indie Games on the PC these days, and they all use arrows and the Z and X keys on your keyboard. we've had those since Nixon. for every ten Kill the Brown Men iron sights simulators, there are also ten pixel art platformers with minimal music and horrible jumping physics. and I'm going to tell you that the xbox 360 controller is an arbitrary order of magnitude better for playing video games than the four things cramped between my tenkey and right control button, I don't care how much feeling is involved. they designed a mouse so debbie dipshit could launch whatever the fuck a mac had on it in 1984 without feeling like she was dialing into norad; we ended up with Quake, which controls like the second before ejaculation looping in your amygdala. now I can buy a mouse with a laser more precise than the one they use to slice open your cornea; korea has built an industry out of teenagers killing each other's computer aliens by playing the piano on a keyboard. and you're telling me twinsticks have pigeonholed design? poor designers and good marketers have pigeonholed design, if design is pigeonholed. twinsticks only even exist because bungie (price, hundreds of millions of dollars :O) figured out how to make them sing.
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| imagine a world where you needed a different television to watch a certain set of channels, originally due to technological limitations. broadcasters slowly started doubling up their efforts so they could put them out on all five different tv's. decades later, all the technology problems became solved and every tv was identical; the business models of the closed systems lingered, however, having had so much momentum, and broadcasters still went along and did the work five times, even though it got easier all the time. i feel we are at this exact point in history before someone with influence stands up and says, "man. what the fuck are we doing." |
we all know this is dumb, no one is going to claim that there is anything viable about Sony paying Ubisoft so they can have a commercial claiming that Assassin's Creed III is Officially Better on PS3. but that has always had dick all to do with hardware. they had a thing they called blast processing in the early 90's, and they called it that because "Sonic isn't going to be on the SNES because we have this thing called the Genesis and I bet you fucking want it don't you" didn't focus test very well. we know the share prices of microsoft and sony are going to get in the way of your Arts, but trying to pretend that these things did not exist in the camelot of shitty hardware design that was your childhood isn't going to get you very far. at best you are changing masks.
beyond this, look at the PC, which since at least the mid nineties has been technologically capable of running every game ever created, which can fake any hardware quirk, and which has been used to create every game you have ever played, before those games were then translated into Stupid for the purpose of putting you on a couch instead of a desk chair. the idea of a console was always arbitrary, it was always a concept of marketing rather than a hardware reality. that they now take a PC off the shelves at best buy and slap a PS4 or an Xbox 720 logo on the damn things and ask you whether you feel a connection to green or black is only dropping the pretense (so that they can then kick the pretense into overdrive, yes; there's a reason 75% of the commercials on TV are for coors/bud, insurance companies, fast food, and iphone/xyzphone). yes, the systems are going to be the same fucking thing, yes they are going to be cordoned off into marketspeak spheres anyway. it didn't kill the pc, even if they wanted it to.
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Felix
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:34 am |
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| I'm eating this shit up with a spoon |
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Rud31
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Felix
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:14 am |
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845282/nvidia-announces-project-shield-handheld-gaming-system
nvidia releasing third-party controller for original xbox that happens to have an LCD screen attached to it and is meant to be used as a wireless controller + display for games running on a PC on a local network?
this is very silly
I love how the press release mentions that it "includes gmail"
how are you supposed to use that touchscreen? you'd have to flip it up so that you hit yourself in the chin with the gamepad!
I didn't think people still made cockamamie hardware like this. this is a delight to behold.
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notbov
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:49 am |
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I like how both AMD and Nvidia are trying their damnedest to bury themselves
alternatively, I guess they're still bitter about being passed over for the 3DS
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Broco
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:27 am |
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| beyond this, look at the PC, which since at least the mid nineties has been technologically capable of running every game ever created, which can fake any hardware quirk, and which has been used to create every game you have ever played, before those games were then translated into Stupid for the purpose of putting you on a couch instead of a desk chair. the idea of a console was always arbitrary, it was always a concept of marketing rather than a hardware reality. |
In the 90s, consoles had very different hardware than PCs; much more specialized and much cheaper to produce. And although PCs are used to write the code and compile it, developers have always needed a console plugged into the PC to actually run the game. There was a big hardware reality there; PCs had a modular design with a beefy CPU, while consoles had an integrated design with a weak CPU and specialized graphics hardware. |
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Rud31
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Teflon
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:51 pm |
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http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/7/3845282/nvidia-announces-project-shield-handheld-gaming-system
nvidia releasing third-party controller for original xbox that happens to have an LCD screen attached to it and is meant to be used as a wireless controller + display for games running on a PC on a local network?
this is very silly
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The King
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:03 pm |
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That is pretty underwhelming, but then I still find the entire tablet explosion really baffling, so who knows maybe that will be a thing people will want.
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I'd be extremely surprised if it was.
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Felix
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:10 pm |
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| I actually can't look at that MULTIFUNCTIONAL TV LANTERN without imagining someone trying to change the channel while watching TV and accidentally turning the lantern on and blinding themselves, then cracking up for several minutes |
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Gironika
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:36 pm |
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| I like how both AMD and Nvidia are trying their damnedest to bury themselves |
if AMD really will provide both PS4/X720-chips, that will keep them afloat for a little longer. It'll be interesting to see if they dare to kill x86 and whether Intel will stay with that architecture till the end (of time). |
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