Those two screen shots they released are hideous IMO. They totally destroy the cool style of WW by making everything too smooth and round. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
Those two screen shots they released are hideous IMO. They totally destroy the cool style of WW by making everything too smooth and round.
You're silly. It looks like Pixar Presents The Wind Waker. Which is hella good.
Eh, I guess it's just a matter of taste then, as that is not too different from the way I would explain my distaste for the new look! I know two shots is early to judge, and I still think rereleasing WW is a good idea anyway, but one of the things I loved about WW was the way it created a 3D space that still looked like it was animated in 2D. I loved the flat-looking character models and stark cut-out look of everything. The bloom effect definitely diminishes this aspect of it too, creating a weird dissonance between the new soft lighting and the bold shadows and lines of the original design. I would have hoped that a graphical update would have done more to enhance that style, something along the lines of Ni no Kuni, rather than sort of go the other direction and focus on the depth and roundness of everything here. It's like going from Chuck Jones or Tex Avery or something to Pixar, which to me is not a change for the better.
But WW is an excellent game and I don't want to be a party pooper, so I guess I'm glad that most other people seem to enjoy the update.
As for the new Zelda, the only thing I really hope for at this point is a camera option that allows you switch back and forth from the typical 3rd person camera to something like a top-down perspective. I can't remember if WW did this, but it is something that could be even more effective in "HD." Weirdly, this was one of my favorite things about the DS Zelda games. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
I really don't get why people are so down on HD ports. Do you have the same rage for old movies being released on Blu-Ray?
That is not a valid comparison in the least
Those two things are not in the same room
not in the same country
not on the same planet
not in the same galaxy
Higher resolutions of video media are bringing back detail lost from previous generations not being able to cope with the detail of film
games were made for their respective platforms and the horsepower they had. The way they look is the thing, and adding more detail (or, hell, anything past a simple increase in resolution, including altering the field of view) is altering the very look of the product.
Okay, how about digitally animated movies then?
Still not seeing what's so outrageously evil about porting or remaking a game to be better looking. Does it wipe the original from existence? Because that's the only reason I can think of to get outraged about it.
Honestly the only analogue would be stuff like Star Wars Special Editions.
People don't like them because of the potential it has to obliterate the original from the existence--this has basically happened with Star Wars. As media go out of production and become rarities, it's going to get harder and harder to find a working Gamecube and a copy of Wind Waker, but this new version will probably end up being produced in a much more versatile format and stick around a lot longer.
In Nintendo's defense, they were the first to do the Virtual Console, which seems mostly about preserving and redistributing games in as close to their original form as possible, a kind of Cloud Archive of games. But people complain about the emulation on those, too, so nothing is perfect I guess.
Anyway, I think most people get upset about HD remakes because they are babies and don't like things that they don't like, but behind it all there is a semi-legitimate fear that history is being rewritten. That probably doesn't really matter either, but I just think about all of the vast vast quantities of film that have basically disappeared due to poor preservation or lack of interest, and I'd like to think that for software people have learned how to be more careful and consistent archivists, but I don't think that's happening. Weirdly people seem to get more up in arms when something is preserved/rereleased inauthentically instead of when something just doesn't get any kind of consideration at all, but I guess thanks to evil pirate rom dumpers we are getting a pretty decent archive of video game history. Again, as long as the internet doesn't go anywhere.
Edit: I should add that my life at this point is basically devoted to thinking about things like this (in an entirely different time place and medium), and fretting about history's tendency to disappear, so I tend to be kind of obsessive about theoretical discussions of archival practices and stuff (As I said before, information doesn't want to be free, information wants to cease to exist). I realize most of what I said above is already implied by your initial post I just... can't stop... _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
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I'm kind of confused here--it seems like he's taking 'emotion' in this case to refer only to narrative/thematic details of a game, but I get the impression you are talking about something else?
I mean, based on the kind of games you make I find it odd that you would be so concerned about the narrative and setting, but at the same time those games are certainly capable of provoking an emotional response. I mean, Tetris is another example of a game that someone could probably write a thousand words talking about why it is so effective, but almost none of that would have anything to do with a story it tells or a theme it presents. In the case of a game that actually does contain a narrative, to me the narrative is only ever interesting in terms of how much the way you play the game actually contributes to your appreciation of the details of the story and aesthetics.
Just using the last two games I have played as an example (and following the rule of always having to talk about Dark Souls), Dark Souls is a game where the mechanics are in almost perfect harmony with the way the game looks and feels and how the story unfolds, and The Witcher 2 is a total failure in that respect. But I still think the parts of the Witcher 2 where you are controlling your dude are pretty "fun," and the story itself is mildly interesting, it's just that I can't really figure out what those two things have to do with one another. I might as well just play a game for five minutes, and then watch a completely unrelated movie for 2 minutes, then go back to playing the game. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
but were actual classic Trekkies happy with JJ's Star Trek?
Classic Trekkies haven't been happy since the late 90s... I think lots of people hated the new one, ironically for "star wars"-ifying star trek. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
In case anyone is interested, I woke up at the crack of dawn to build a log cabin with lumber I chopped down with my own two hands so that this discussion about games reviews would have a warm and correctly categorized home in the Textual Adventure subforum. There's a stew going, and I'm making hot cocoa, just for you. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
I'm kind of perversely excited by the fact that a supposed "Triple A" title like this is getting shitty reviews almost across the board, but then again maybe it is just some kind of sacrificial lamb in order to preserve some vague aura of objectivity. Would be surprised if this game was actually any worse than literally any other high profile game. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
it's okay, you can just do a pacifist speedrun and have it back in the mail before you know it
I think it is a commentary on how the colonizer projects its own violence and aggression on to the colonized other _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
I'm not gonna take it myself, because I love my current set up, but I want to nominate the lower left quadrant of that image as some cool poster's new avatar. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
While I definitely agree that LucasArts shutting down is not necessarily tragic news, I'm still kind of depressed about it. Just in terms of the long-term trajectory of the studio, going from a really interesting thing that produced a great variety of basically good and innovative games, to a machine to produce Star Wars games, to basically not existing, to finally getting the axe for good. It's just kind of a mild downer coda to an already sad story. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
anytime you can put dubstep, slow motion, spinning freeze frames, and in-environment flavor text in your trailer you have to do it
this went from looking crappy to looking crappy and hopelessly generic
nominating thestage for the custom title, "The Strongest Brute Force of the Leaper Kind" _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
I called Nintendo taking the NSMB approach to Zelda like years ago just for the record _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
I actually think the idea of incorporating the unique features of the hardware into the games is cool and probably one of the only reasons game consoles can continue to justify their existence, it's just that... yeah, 3D is stupid. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
dragons crown is going to inspire so much weird pornography
Talbain wrote:
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evnvnv wrote:
dragons crown is weird pornography
the funny thing is this almost sums up my feelings on the game
like, i don't really care about it
i don't even care that it has scantily clad people in it
mostly i just like that the character designs are so absurdly exaggerated
weird pornography is... better than mundane pornography...?
Yeah--I mean, I suppose context is everything, and in this case it is also just another video game with half naked ladies prancing around, and for that it's just kind of sad and pathetic
But at the same time I feel like calling this out for being sexist is kind of like calling out R. Crumb comics or something. Because it is so obviously by inspired a specific set of fetishes, it is itself a kind of pornography. Which in a weird way kind of redeems it for me, I don't know.
Like, I find things that are deliberately intended to titillate or be kind of scandalous a lot more appealing than just filling games with casually degrading female characters. The fact that those are basically the only two options is depressing as hell, though, granted.
LAST EDIT: Looking up, I think I have basically the same conclusion as Bennett but apparently the opposite reasoning. Haha. I mean, I'm not saying that people are only going to play this game to masturbate, or that literal sexual arousal is its only purpose, but... well yeah I guess other people already said it better. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
kind of impressed with how different in tone those three segments are, but i am kind of wondering how it is all going to come together
game is sure to introduce newer, weirder forms of ludonarrative dissonance for sure _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
And another thing is they never have Hitler is these new wolfenstein games either. Is the Hitler Family Foundation going to sue or something? I just want the greatest and most realistic mudering-another-human-being simulation designed by our best and brightest with Hitler as the target. If they want to add in weird shit add in time travel so there's an in-game excuse to keep killing Hitler over and over.
Killing every hitler in the multiverse would be a cool game _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
i think the name dropping alone should qualify dark souls as the official citizen kane of video games. like, that should just be the last statement ever made on the subject. _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
The way the steamOS page talks about "living room machines" as though they are things that actually exist is kind of weird _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
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If someone does this and wants to unload a copy of aciv on 360 at a low low price I'm your man. This and rob ford are only heightening my desire to become Canadian ASAP _________________ The text will not live forever. The cup are small
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