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Pijaibros
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i just plain don't like brawl. it's too easy compared to having to be somewhat creative in melee.
if skullgirls makes it in i hope it has progressed more than just the simple day 1 BnB combos. any event i've gone to that runs skullgirls, the number of entrants and the skill in play tends to be very low. i'm gonna be the only one that well poopoo on the game because i've tried playing it for a month and it just quite didn't click with me. And I happily enjoy KoF, Tekken Tag 2, Arcana Heart, and Guilty Gear on regular rotation (but i'm a weirdo that really dislikes blazblue in contrast, sorry).
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:03 pm |
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| Lasakon wrote: |
| Much to my dismay, sfxt is still sfxt. |
about time someone else says this. it's still the same lousy game with a new spit shine on it. it's a alright game on the ground. doing combos are fun, but KoF already scratches that itch. however once you jump, the game just feels like a mess and everything trades. i really wanted this game to be alright since i still love fat megaman and wish to see him in his own adventure game. he'll be buried in this game forever...
i give this game two weeks before everyone quits the game again.
quietly plays tekken tag 2 and kof in the corner while all the cool kids keep playing marvel.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2013 3:09 pm |
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| Booter wrote: |
| I will be buying KOF13 steam *if* the netcode is proper. |
i don't understand this since every 2d fighting game worth playing has unbelievably shitty netcode. i may not be a network guru, but part me of me believes 2d stuff isn't made to work over wide area networks. this online lousiness always makes me feel guilty for doing tick throws offline now.
Tekken Tag 2 is the first game where online issues doesn't always kill me and I can actually react to teching throws. A first in online fighting! I generally have better online experiences with the current crop of 3d fighters. Let us not remember Tekken 6 online *shudder*
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| Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:03 pm |
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i wish there was a bottom 5 list. now that's a list i would be interested in seeing what the masses do not like. i would only wish for no more shotos, because there are too many sweet characters to only pick 5.
i would put seth / ibuki / viper / 3rd strike twins / 'evil' doubles on that list.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:03 pm |
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| nothingxs wrote: |
| it (i've seen iori RC grab, honda RC grab, i've JD'ed like 9 hits with sagat for free bar into ultra aka my best moment ever, etc.) |
yeah but that takes practice and nowadays i can barely RC taunt or RC sonic boom for a game that nobody really plays anymore.
shame we never got that PSN release of it on these shores...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:00 pm |
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| radish wrote: |
| Man, yeah. I'd love to go to a major but the closest one is like six or seven hours away. Do it! |
I drove 7 hours to go to Winter Brawl in Philly. I wish I only had to drive an hour to a major. The only way I was able to accomplish that feat was by actually running majors.
They're fun. Enter a game you are best at, play in team tournaments, explore glitches and combos. Things make a lot more sense when I see a person performing them outside of youtube and can ask about the little details. Playing fighters online is terrible.
Also bodying Rommance in KoF teams. That drive was worth it to just make his Yuri eat ex-air grab and dropkicks. So free to Raiden B)
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 5:58 pm |
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vanilla sf4 was the best version of SF4, IMO. after playing the other versions, the first version, is the greatest version. it's so fast because everyone does so much damage. plus it has "indestructible" and all the hits sound like gunshots. the only real bullshit thing was akuma's roundhouse loop.
the best way to fix sf4 is to go learn KoF.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:59 pm |
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| Interstellar Dinghy wrote: |
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| The problem with KoF is that it isn't Street Fighter. Outside of that it's a pretty fantastic game. |
HD combos are fuckin boring |
the long HD combos are boring if you've seen them before, but you'll only see that in tourney play on streams. easiest thing to do with them is do a couple normals into a special into neomax. in 2 seconds you did 800 dmg. there's no point to learning the really long 1000+ damage ones outside of that environment or for combo videos.
also to another god, what i mean is that the problems with sf4 are addressed and given options in KoF. but you're right. if ryu isn't in the game the masses (and fgc) tend to shun it.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 5:29 am |
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to people whining about morrigan / doom being the most boring thing ever. F U. go ride the lightning loop till your fingers turn bluein training mode. many other people try to play this team, but only chris g finds success. it looks easy on screen, but it's not the combos that matter it's all in the mobility, the joystick hand!
i find it to be the best thing ever. straight zoning. eliminating all the random nonsense that marvel 3 is usually known for. controlling space and options better than any mvc2 sentinel/strider/doom or sentinel/cable/captcom team could back in the day. it is magnificent! i hope he wins everything in 2013 and until the game dies in the scene. if people won't adapt to him or counterpick out of "character loyalty" that's their fault. it is beautiful! it is graceful! this is the "new cable" that everyone's been wanting since this game was a though.
same with infiltration in sf4 and same with any winning strategy. learn to deal with it or you're gonna end up seeing it every time all the time.
it beats the pants out of divekicking logans, mashing vergils, and mindless zero play.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:52 pm |
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yes, but those are usually not broadcast. most people don't like putting up money and playing "random select" with something on the line. they usually happen after alcohol if it does happen though.
i guess the closest thing to what you're thinking of may be the "random game" tournament that goes on during UFGT in Chicago.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:47 pm |
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| BotageL wrote: |
| His sheer dominance isn't very exciting to watch, but I respect how effective he is at just shutting down everyone. |
i find it to be the best thing since guile and honda mirror matches. since evo 2012, marvel 3 has staganted at the tourney level.
sure there's glitches and fancy tricks. for example, magneto being able to use repulsion/attraction while in guard stun to guarantee supers (for only 2 meters) and switch partner incoming sides on KO, but nobody does this outside of youtube videos. these things should make magneto the best character in the game, but he isn't, mainly out of laziness in the scene (IMO).
having morridoom as "the enemy" to fight against is the only way people will finally be able to evolve and do something about it. if not, i'm happy to see chris g soul fist everyone in his path to a down payment on a new house.
whille i would like any other game (like tekken tag 2 or KoF) to be the popular game in the FGC, it isn't. so whatever is at the top should at least be interesting to watch on a weekend.
EDIT: on a side note, for giggles and tron bonne, i popped in vanilla MvC3. my god that game is so fast in comparison to UMvC3. i had forgotten that they actually slowed it down like 10%, probably for online play. dante's wavedash here is the best thing ever. magneto while still scrubby, flies at the speed of light! shame capcom didn't let this version breathe a little longer. all it needed was to have the DHC glitches patched out, those're actually still really dumb. i miss those vanilla health bars so much, i miss iron man actually being more than proton cannon. i also really like not having to mash after landing supers.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:58 am |
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i found this thread on tekken zaibatsu pretty great for narrowing down my character choice. It's pretty overwhelming settling on a proper team once you hit that character select screen.
http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=125509
also if it's still a choice, the competition on PSN is leagues above Xbox if you want to get better at Tekken.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:38 pm |
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| Focus wrote: |
| it isn't so much as malicious "haha, you play chaos code, whatever dude marvel is better" as it is "how about we play this game NOW, you guys?" after everyone is complaining about marvel. |
This was true with my group for about 2 years. Only the game in place was Arcana Heart 3 (which is a good game despite its loli looks). Still hoping for LOVE MAX.
Though now that Savior is out on xbox/ps3 we actually play that game instead when everyone is bored of the dumb things in modern capcom fighters.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:29 pm |
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| Touran wrote: |
| I just....just like the idea of a joke character who can't actually fight |
this is the modern FGC in a nutshell.
i wonder how devs feel when knowingly working on characters who never find real play? like lei-lei in marvel 3. then again as long as they get paid to do stuff. i mean that's how it is in the real-world for me... T_T
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 7:42 pm |
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phoenix and lei lei exist, yeah. tron was actually alright in vanilla. i still wonder why phoenix got nerfed as the assist was his saving grace. it's not like he was that strong. all of them sucking is why i dropped the game almost immediately.
well at least as long as it took to start abusing vergil, spencer, doom shenanigans. i'm getting off-topic...
but yeah, the choices left has kinda turned me off the skullgirls campaign now. and i really want to try and stay supportive, but yeah, democracy inaction.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:07 pm |
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| diplo wrote: |
This is why the scene is perceived as being full of latent gender-centric condescension
Also that is where I stopped watching |
i want to say something, but i find no way to spin this in a positive light on Select Button. in the FGC it doesn't matter if the opponent is a man or woman. if you are unknown to the players in a group, the whole point is to style on the opponent until they can justify being shown respect. the best women players (i met and know) in the scene have come from guilty gear and tekken. nobody gives them any guff here, it got old after a couple weeks, and they pounded some faces in the dirt to show they can hang.
majority of players (at least in the great lakes states and east coast) grew up playing ball in the streets and watching pro-wrestling. so that's where that mentality evolved from.
now that's not exclusively FGC behavior. i see it on all genres of competitive gaming and if you don't play to win, you'll likely never understand the obsession and showboating. in fact, if a new player comes into any game full of confidence (and a tourney is the worst place to talk trash and not back it up), i find it to be my job to destroy them in the most incredible way possible. nobody like losing. especially among peers.
if the opponent has the mental toughness to stick with it after this initial hazing, only then can the lessons and actual process of leveling up begin. however, if a new player comes in weak, but eager to learn, we can skip the hazing and start talking oki.
competitive anything isn't for the weak of heart. playing for fun and playing to win are entirely different beasts. even in something as colorful as mario party.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 2:13 pm |
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| Interstellar Dinghy wrote: |
| Consider also the possibility that people who others think are shitlords aren't shitlords to you because you're a dude and also a part of their community....stop giving the awful people microphones and letting them do commentary. |
The same could be said of all communities (see neogaf, music groups, and sports talk). Snobbery is just as bad, if worse, than the rude folks. The loudest, nuttiest, most crass will always be front and center. It's what they want. I at least appreciate that they were their hearts on their sleeve.
Regarding commentary, most people can't handle doing commentary for hours at a time. FGs are too fast paced to be witty on-the-fly for an entire day. People who like to hear themselves talk are usually despicable. Any 24-hour news channel is full of those, for example. People who would be good on TV, don't want to be on TV.
I don't even let on that I play videogames in the real-world because I tend to really disagree with modern gamers who I overhear talking about stuff on occassion. I still carry the outdated stigma that "videogames are for dorks" when I got razzed for it in middle school for years. Those dark ages before pokemon and FMVs made videogames less niche.
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| Having those assholes in the FGC is like having that random racist/sexist/homophobe friend. You don't have to defend yourself or your community. Just tell everyone he's a dick within earshot of your dick friend. Have him defend himself and only himself, and he's donezo. |
This used to be a lot easier before 2010. You can ostracize someone and hopefully change them. With the advent of social media, it's near impossible to change someone. Because no matter how crazy a person is, there's a group out there that will support and reinforce their behavior.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:32 pm |
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| Interstellar Dinghy wrote: |
The speedrunning community is of comparable size and, really, it's just as competitive. yet it's a far more diverse community because it's actually accepting of people that aren't just Hypercompetitive Straight Men.
Basically if your defense of the FGC is "Yo this is the tru face of competition you gotta earn the right to be a part of it" then don't be surprised when your scene shrivels up and dies again because you exclude anyone who isn't a hypercompetitive jerkass. |
It isn't that you have to be competitive to be a part of it. The real lesson is that you have to lose a thousand matches before you actually win a set. Most people do not like losing over-and-over and also do not like to review/hear what they did wrong even if you point it out afterwards. There are many people that quit not because anyone said anything to them, but just because they thought they were the best, got beat soundly, and didn't want to accept losing. So they went back to their little circle or the online leaderboards where they can be a winner once again. I understand their decisions somewhat as I am far from the best in my circle. During our sessions I barely win anything after the night is over. My play is likely improved from a month prior, but those I play with are still better, it's easy to be discouraged when you lose 40 straight matches some nights.
Regarding the speedrunning community. They are not really any better than other communities. They're just really good at hiding all the petty nonsense from public view. It's really pretty easy to do so when you can hang out in your room, play single player games, and run things your way without having to discuss most as a group. All communication is done electronically except for once a year when they get together for a cause. Very tightly controlled, very mono-cultured. Though the drama tends to leak out on twitter and reddit once in a while from the usual "stars of speedrunning" usually after any collaborations, too. It just happens less often as they are solitary usually. Only games that need co-op is goof troop and sonic & knuckles.
Remember mirrored yakking during cosmos windwaker run on AGDQ 2013? That mess lasted at least 3 weeks on forums and social medias before people finally shut-up about it.
If you want to dislike the FGC, that's fine, you are free to dislike anyone for any reasons. However, to single out the FGC as the worst game community; I don't know. I've tried to be involved in several other communities and been destroyed by their kings of snobbery. For example, music snobs have shunned me just because I like rap / hiphop and not radiohead / indie-guy-of-the-moment or don't care about some music festival.
The communities I stick around in tend to be really small in the broad scope of things so the scum can rise to the surface quickly. the games I play and enjoy most tend to be shmups and fighters, it doesn't really take long for messes to be made as opposed to say starcraft or league of legends which has a lot of layers to float through before it comes to surface.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:43 pm |
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| nothingxs wrote: |
| Play Denjin and stay out of the corner. Learn to escape mid screen Aegis setups with down parries. Punish mistakes with simple Denjin setups. |
you're gonna eat a super if that denjin doesn't stun. ryu's recovery is butt if you do those close-up denjin setups. my gimmick is to parry the first 2-hits, eat the third, ggpo.
it's one of the few matches i'll take the lazy way out and pick shoulder tackle super. the other being akuma matchups.
I always go with super fireball. i get more stock which i always choose to waste on chucking ex fireballs or fishing for parry, stand fierce, ex mulekick, hurricane. getting a crouch counter off a low parry and and doing a simple low mk, super fireball (I) does insane amounts of damage too. shin shoryuken is a sweet super, too. i didn't realize how good it was until this video.
Ryu [Vanao] vs Ryu [Magu]
it's amazing how different they play just because of choice in super!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:04 pm |
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| nothingxs wrote: |
| it's blazblue, who cares? |
Because nobody else has mentioned it...
Tekken Revolution is not as terrible as I expected it to be. Well it's not as fun as Tekken Tag 2, but if you have never played a Tekken it may actually be fun. The mechanics are much more simplified. There is no bound moves or float combos to deal with (means shorter more general combos) and a much smaller cast to choose from so a n00b is not overwhelmed at the select screen. The characters have "invincible" moves now. It's kinda weird, but I assume they are there to appeal to the sf4 crowd that loves to mash shoryuken in all situations, fortunately you get a free punish if you dodge them. I guess it's an easier version of the "crush" moves recently introduced in tag2.
The part I find most fun is that if I win, I know the other online player can't play anymore / lost something. I'm a terrible person, but this actually makes me play hard as opposed to goofing around and hitting random select. Though I find it odd that there is no training mode aside from waiting during the matchmaking. Also no tag system, solo mode only. I know many people who won't play either Tekken or KoF because they have to "learn" more than one character.
I was hoping for a console port of Tekken Card Tournament, personally.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:10 pm |
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| ArOne wrote: |
| It mostly refers to the design of a game that shoehorns you into setting up a combo and keeping it going instead of solid interactions between players like footsies and reading your opponent...For non combo games, look at SFII Turbo |
I am just going to chime in to disagree here (and Hyper Fighting is my favorite of the older SF-series). If you play any competitive game long enough it becomes about setting up your combo by dominating space and forcing your opponent to commit to a bad poke to capitalize on. Soul Calibur, Tekken, old stuff like
It's easy to place Street Fighter on a pedestal because it hasn't changed very much in the way it plays in twenty-five years and therefore everyone is comfortable with the ebb and flow of match in SF. There are not many people here in the states have taken as much time to learn the nuances of many other fighting franchises for whatever reasons and it's a shame. I used to be on the Tekken hate-bandwagon until several players showed me what's underneath the hood and that movement is the most fundamental skill to learn, more than combos. A skill that can't be appreciated by simply watching a stream uninformed.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:02 pm |
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| bleak wrote: |
| so is everyone just waiting for JJ ASB to come out to post in this thread again |
there's really nothing going on, so yes. all the big tourneys have not a lot of excitement going on from what i last checked out. i think the novelty of hitting buttons is wearing thin amongst the fanbase and the newer players just don't want to try getting good at these old games when they can just press X and get 1000 cheevo points in the latest game for maximum gains. so it is always seems the same players at the top or going to be comfortable and it's getting kinda boring (at least when it comes to the capcom/netherrealm stuff) tourney after tourney.
there was dreamhack that happened recently and seeing infiltration get destroyed by a random cammy while getting counter hit out messing up his options to get out of (cammy's) backthrow "unblockable" made me wonder what he's been doing since leaving MadCatz.
other than that all i do in FGs is sit in the training room and drop things. i should probably fix my ps2 sticks so i can play Hokuto no Ken, the most exciting fighter to break since marvel 2.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:50 pm |
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| RobotRocker wrote: |
| Glacius will be playable at Evo but they are revealing someone else at Evo as well. |
I hope it's Cinder or Riptor. Riptor is a god damned raptor who eats you as his fatality, shame these 2 guys were placed for generic girls in part 2. Spinal was cool (transform whenever you feel like for cheap combo extenders with no cool down) until he got nerfed :(
Cinder was sweet because he was the only character you can be aggressive with since a lot of his moves are unbreakable (his ultra was just mashing forward + buttons). Orchid was sweet since she had an unbreakable 50% dizzy combo too. Killer Instinct 1 was much better than the first one even though Tusk was a sweet character and TJCombo's machine gun was the best chipkiller ever. The combo breakers were too easy in the second one (moreso than the first). Mainly because the best chars had unbreakable combos, it kept things much more frantic than the second.
I would pay money for an accurate arcade port of Killer Instinct. MAME just doesn't feel right.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:30 pm |
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| diplo wrote: |
Am I wrong or does KI2 actually look worse than KI1? Like in terms of the rendering.
Fairly sure I'm wrong and something is wrong with my brain. |
No, I've thought the same thing. It looked "muddier" in comparison to KI1, higher contrasts on all the colors. I've always thought it inferior to the first KI.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:59 pm |
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| mauve wrote: |
| Quite a few communities seem to have stepped up to stream their respective games |
streamers have to blow all their own resources and haul their own equipment to be able to help out their communities. all the while mr cuellar gets to pocket all the money made that weekend and still be considered a saint.
evo as i remember it is dead.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 3:24 pm |
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| nothingxs wrote: |
| Pijaibros wrote: |
| mauve wrote: |
| Quite a few communities seem to have stepped up to stream their respective games |
streamers have to blow all their own resources and haul their own equipment to be able to help out their communities. all the while mr cuellar gets to pocket all the money made that weekend and still be considered a saint.
evo as i remember it is dead. |
This is not exactly accurate. |
Then please explain. Far as I've heard there's a lot of effort from everyone outside of EVO because it is such a prestigious event, a lot of goodwill to milk. It is certainly one of the few FGC events where there is substantial money made, but all the earnings are concentrated to a scant few "the 1%".
I'm speaking from streamers and communities of all the poverty games that are currently feeling shafted. Not the Capcom / NRS side.
If you don't want to explain anything because of illuminati reasons well that won't help the whisperings that already happen, but I won't hold it against you.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:16 pm |
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| RobotRocker wrote: |
Smash could keep the items off but they should really have a lot less stages banned. Obviously your gimmicks like Pokefloats and Rainbow Road can stay gone but stages with set patterns like Mute City and Onett shouldn't really be banned since the stage is readable and it's the players fault if they don't react to the stage elements.
Smash could be fun but the community's too fussy about what elements should go that they got rid of things that could have made it unique and full of variety. |
That's the nice thing. You can customize smash as you will. Since Melee is still a good game (Brawl is yucko), but we aren't as strict with stage selections. Totally random games may be fun to you, but it ain't everyone's cup of tea (lol marvel 3, amirite?). Some of us have fun improving and cubr stomping our friends in mortal combat.
We set items to "very low" but ban the really dumb things like mushrooms and stars and hearts that really just serve to waste time. also bob-ombs (yet we are kosher with pokeballs and capsules, we are dumb) because too often they just magically appear on you in the middle of a combo. of course this is just something that the small group of us discussed forever ago and kinda just kept it.
It ain't no e-sports legal, but having just a couple of items ensures that anyone playing never feels completely outmatched. Because while I like using Bowser, I know I have no farking chance without items (for example) if they're playing a starfox char. I love Bowser's down throw too much.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2013 6:21 pm |
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| Jigsaw wrote: |
| lest we forget KOF top 8 was pretty damn amazing too |
after kof, i went on with the rest of my day. there was nothing else for me to stay tuned for.
and i watched it again in the evening. and i fully expect nobody new to actually play the damn thing because "it's too hard" -_-
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:21 pm |
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| Lasakon wrote: |
If this was being made 16 years ago they would probably be smart enough to give background Hugo a different andore color palette depending on which Hugo color the player picks.
Better yet, turn him into Abigail. |
Actually. I wouldn't be surprised if they do swap out Hugo with another big man. They actually were conscious about this little detail in the airfield stage where Boxer is calling the soldiers when the plane door opens. However, if you pick Boxer then Claw is the one calling soldiers from the plane. I respected that the devs were mindful of that little detail.
What would be cool is if it was swapped with Birdie in such cases. Very likely I would suspect Zengief would be put there since he had a little construction outfit on Pocket Fighter during his chain combos |
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:51 pm |
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| He also took Filipino Champ's money from what I heard. Won a nice chunk of change from them. The best players really adapt to patterns after long sets. Nemo had the good fortune to spend a week playing team EG before EVO. Did ShadyK ever upload the match video? Heard that he would at some point. |
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:46 pm |
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| diplo wrote: |
| Kinda depressing that 'character who has not yet been in SF' makes people think of preexisting characters from other games/series rather than the possibility of an entirely original character |
that's because most of the new characters are disliked by the primary SF audience. El Fuerte, Rufus, Abel, Viper, Gouken, Juri, Oni, Seth, Hakan.
People on fight forums are pretty darn vocal about hating all of them except the most anime character, Juri. Viper only gets pushed because (IMO) someone at Capcom liked Angelina Jolie.
Besides people naming B-tier capcom characters is a great way for forum monsters to stretch their e-peen in knowing "everything capcom".
Personally I prefer the goofy characters Fuerte, Rufus, Hakan. Likely they will never cross-over due to newbies just hating their look and playstyles (rip fat megaman). I am hoping they dust off one of the concept sketches like the "Jim Kelly" Rufus or "Loli" Abel and give them new life.
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:46 pm |
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Fantastic! Time to dig up CYBERBOTS and do Capcom's version of Gundam Extreme VS. Since nobody played this Capcom can do whatever they want and nobody would scream about canon or traditions.
It has that one sweet Akuma robot to bring in the SF fanboys. I just want to play as Devilot T_T
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:20 pm |
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| Persona mobile wrote: |
Capcom used to make Gundam vs games that Xtreme Vs is based off of that played like slower Virtual On.
Also in Cyberbots, couldn't you pick any robot you wanted with any pilot you wanted? I always thought that was a little odd since each pilot's robot was so unique to their character. |
Those old Gundam v Gundam games are exactly what I want. Of course I want them to be faster. I just want to be able to play VOOT in some modern fashion again without having to import (because it means i will play alone).
Yeah, it was a weird thing that the pilot could drive any robot. All it really affected was the little cutscenes. I only ever played the Saturn version.
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:56 am |
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| if you want to get lost in fightman canon read up on King of Fighters fiction, it would take days to sort through those tales! |
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:03 am |
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pardon me while i get blacked out of the illuminati circle jerk by the FGC media because i don't want to sign in to their glee club. i next expect that i have to pay an annual fee to an "official EVO auditor" to maintain my "collusion-free certification".
this still won't stop pot-splitting which is a completely separate thing from the collusion idea that is all the rage right now. besides this is only collusion among players that is "outlawed", instead i will just start colluding with the TO himself to keep the pot bonus "in the family". this is also nothing more than a gesture because this only affects the top 2% of players. this will have no affect on the stream monsters who love to play armchair theory fighter and wish to place in the money. |
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:08 am |
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the fgc first has to think about what they say and what they do. because right now the current fgc TOs give no cares about how they treat players. they shut their stream down, post results on eventhubs and just wish the bad news away by the next major.
as far as i feel, there has been more talk about punishing chris g for being himself than punishing TOs for not running a good schedule, not paying the winners of their events, not fulfilling their promises. this is all crap that has been lingering in the scene for at least 5 years. when the illuminati can get devastation and revelations to actually pay out the promised money they have still not delivered and making TOs at large stop being as bad as the players they are trying to persecute, then they can start trying to discipline players. and things like devastation were annual events for a while and yet, people still did nothing to discipline their behavior.
all TOs suck at scheduling. all TOs and players never talk about getting paid even when they actually get paid. there's too much crap on the downlow in the FGC that has to become transparent before they can fix something as dumb as "collusion". once they learn to work together as a real governing league instead of being a confederate mess of regions then they can do "road to evo" events on a more respectable level than just being an ad-bot for EVO.
back when SRK was cool and still relevant. They had a giant list of TOs and events to avoid. This was a great thing unfortunately it stopped being updated around the time revelations rolled around. i'm sure it's because every event since then has been absolutely sterling, amirite? |
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:13 pm |
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| nothingxs wrote: |
| It's kind of like you're getting mad at Evo for trying to rein in what they can try to fix instead of what they can't! |
See that's the thing. They're attempting a fix for all the wrong things like pot-splitting (which goes on way more often than even twitter can let you know). How am I ever sure the pot wasn't split at this year's EVO or any other event? Players can always agree to split with a quick DM on twitter which hardly ever means the match is thrown. Hell, I pot split. I won't throw a match for agreeing to it. This would be stupid to enforce the weekly events as the rule currently wants to be followed. Gotta play hard at 2am on a wednesday because screw just calling it a day because I have a job to drive to at 8a?
Not fixing actual real problems outside of their own event, just like every other TO. They are not better, they just get better names to show up. The FGC has too many things hidden in the shadows for me to accept this esports image they're trying to project. And all they are concerned about is what happens on the main stage? Will underperforming due to lack of sleep also get me a banhammer?
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:25 pm |
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| nothingxs wrote: |
| In other words, the rule pretty much is "don't waste the crowd's and viewer's and streamer's and all of our times" -- and I think that's pretty fair. |
This rule is clearly subjective. What is a waste of time for one person can be source of enjoyment for another.
| nothingxs wrote: |
| No one cares about your locals and smaller tournaments. We're strictly talking about majors and large regionals. |
From SRK article: Wednesday Night Fights, and The Runback
These are the locals and smaller tournaments i was referring to. As they are listed in the original posting of participating events. Because I've seen my share of not-Capcom fighters where players just want to conclude their night and leave. When making a big rule I want the rules to be clear and implicit. Nothing left to be decided by "does it follow the spirit of the rules"?
However, based on your response to me, I'm glad to know that because any organizer not in the "illuminati" or with adequate "klout score" on twitter such as yourself is to be completely disregarded in getting direct answers from the old boys network. Clearly everyone not living on the coasts is a scummy 09er.
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:50 pm |
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| Pat the Great wrote: |
| i don't really get what pijaibros is upset about, to be honest! |
My problem is that the kings of the FGC are going the wrong way to fix this problem of putting on a "show for the sponsors". Facebook, twitter, youtube, and twitch have made the gaming world a much smaller, much friendlier place.
You can put in all the rules you want and police the players to hell. Nothing will change! How do you get someone to actually be competitive? What drives a player to be the best? Aside from money, what about that competitive drive makes you want to win over the guy sitting next to you? Back in the heyday of the arcades, every time my quarter was up, it was a Grand Finals for me.
The scene is different now, real fierce rivalries are few and far between (I feel mvc2 was so successful because of the rivalries.) No one ever claims there's collusion when it's a US v International Grand Finals? In that situation, national pride drives the competitors to want to win.
How do you make players care at a weekly or regional or major (with no international presence) where they are playing the same 20 top players at every event?
You can put these rules in place, and force them to pick their A teams, fine, good job. How do you judge they are giving 100% performance? Can you tell the difference between them giving 80% vs 100%? Likely not.
I get what you're trying to do and how the finals at VxG were a complete farce. My concern is how to make players care. You can police and put in all the rules you want. If the players do not care, you're not going to get the max potential out of a match. You're not going to get the PR Rog v Infiltration type of show that everyone always desires.
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:36 pm |
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potemkin looks like he fell out of kingdom hearts. venom is in it though so it looks like i have a character yo play!
| mauve wrote: |
| honestly, after watching quakecon this past weekend... |
tell me more. ever since Q3arena fell out of favor with the mainstream and CoD took over I kinda stopped caring about the competitive scene in this genre. |
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:10 pm |
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| mauve wrote: |
| "bolt a caster onto it" |
i'm confused as to what this means. is this being tasked to make it compatible with GGPO or some kind of netplay improvement?
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