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Moogs



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:17 pm        Reply with quote

Okay so now I'm torn between the FPS pad and the Hori EX2

I might even just want to replace the stock 360 pad too
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 2:45 pm        Reply with quote

360 wireless dongle 4lyfe.
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Felix
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:35 pm        Reply with quote

another point in the ps3 controller's favour is that you can use it wirelessly without needing a stupid-ass dongle, just get a dedicated bt receiver for like $2
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:34 pm        Reply with quote

Moogs wrote:
Okay so now I'm torn between the FPS pad and the Hori EX2

I might even just want to replace the stock 360 pad too

if you're after a good d-pad, ex2 d-pad sure looks a lot like my favourite d-pad (also hori).
is the ex2 huge or is the design tricking my perception? that had me on the fence a bit.
the fps' d-pad is quite sensitive, which is a good thing if you share my habit of not pressing buttons hard enough to register but i wouldn't be surprised if people with a more assertive play-style end up unintentionally pressing multiple (or all) directions simultaneously a lot.
fps pad is pretty slim. feels smaller than the standard pad.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:50 pm        Reply with quote

nah toll my hands are huge and the genesis spoiled me
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:54 pm        Reply with quote

the PS3 controller is certainly under-designed but there are worse things.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:01 pm        Reply with quote

that hori ex2 is goodlooking, i could go for that
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:03 pm        Reply with quote

guys my saitek p150 is finally too warped to play. the
buttons just don't press anymore, and they stick when
they do press. the (always been horrible) d-pad is
annoyingly loud and clicky. served me well for damn
near a decade, not bad for a handmedown.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:25 pm        Reply with quote

can't really comment on the ergonomics of the dual shock 3 because i've never owned any variety of xbox and i've been using playstation pads since 1996. maybe it's terrible but with that much training i'm just used to it, it feels right.
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Moogs



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:52 pm        Reply with quote

I'm not a fan of the Sony pads, either. Like Toll, I ended up ghetto modding my PS3 controllers with snap-on triggers and analog stick caps with more defined texture. While I'm not a fan of the symmetrical placement of the sticks, my main issue is with the size of the thing. I wish Sony has stuck with the beefier design of the non-vibration dual analog for the PS1. Once they added vibration in, they started making them more compact.

The EX2 does look larger than normal, but maybe that's because of the extra face buttons.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:34 am        Reply with quote

From my experience, Logitech is better at doing Playstation pads than Sony ever was.

Tim, did you play any of them fightman games with that EX2? The rightmost buttons look a bit too close to the edge, but if it works well I could finally have a single controller to all my needs
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 12:59 am        Reply with quote

dude loli remember those logitech wireless xbox/ps2 controllers? those were fucking wonderful
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:01 am        Reply with quote

lolipalooza wrote:
From my experience, Logitech is better at doing Playstation pads than Sony ever was.

Tim, did you play any of them fightman games with that EX2? The rightmost buttons look a bit too close to the edge, but if it works well I could finally have a single controller to all my needs


grips, yes, dpad/buttons, no way
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:40 am        Reply with quote

dpad is totally and by far the worst thing about playstation controllers
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:28 am        Reply with quote

spinach wrote:
dude loli remember those logitech wireless xbox/ps2 controllers? those were fucking wonderful

hell yes. it's a shame that logitech is giving up the console peripheral market ):

Felix wrote:
grips, yes, dpad/buttons, no way

was this in response to the logitech or the EX2 argument?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:41 am        Reply with quote

logitech

I think the Dualshock's d-pad and buttons, underdesigned (like the rest of the darn controller) as they are, are actually pretty not-bad compared to a lot of modern alternatives. fighting games I want better diagonals, but I have saturn pads for that anyhow.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:06 am        Reply with quote

I like the dpad of logitech's precision line a lot and use a cheap one to emulate SNES and PSX games - because using a Saturn pad for those feels just wrong. The buttons aren't soft as the dualshock counterparts, but I like their clickiness (I grew up with a Genesis).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:26 am        Reply with quote



I think arguements about what Sony should have done with the DS3 are long behind us. So I will just skip the crap and say straight up: Anyone using a DS3 should buy the Pelican brand trigger attachments without question. It completely changes how the controller feels in your hand. The way you hold it is basically the same. Both of my DS3 are equipped with them. Once upon a time I bought a set for my stepdad as a stocking stuffer and days later he went out and bought two more sets for his other two DS3.

Toll, if you bought the Pelican brand version and they came off DURING play, I do not know what to say. I have never experienced this. I've been using these things for a few years. One of mine is actually the original brand that made them before they were licensed or absorbed by Pelican. Its true they pop off every now and then if you drop them and move them around on a couch a lot or something. But again I've never had them come off during gaming. and they don't seem to "wear" out. Mine have come off and been popped back on numerous times in the past 3 or 4 years and they still stay on just as firmly as day 1.

*actually I do know what to say: If you are using the pelican brand trigger attachments and they are coming off during play, you are squeezing your controller too hard. You would do well to practic a lighter touch. Just like someone who puts a death grip on a guitar neck or someone who uses too much force when trying to grab things with chopsticks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:46 am        Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:31 am        Reply with quote

Guys I'll mail one of you a Microsoft Sidewinder Pad for the 3 bucks of shipping. This one is USB.

Also debating parting with my semi-broken Saturn USB (the left trigger half works (blame Earthbound).

Man why didn't every JRPG post-famicom use L trigger as ACTION BUTTON.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:19 am        Reply with quote

because the genre is so stupid mired in tradition that any advances in the genre are seen as flukes or one trick ponies

thats my theory anyway
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:15 am        Reply with quote

Tulpa wrote:
dpad is totally and by far the worst thing about playstation controllers


The weird thing is that despite it being absolutely horrible for 99% of games, there are games that are designed specifically for it where it's incredible. Because they were a PlayStation exclusive for so long and were predicated on an incredibly tight gameplay system, you really need that dpad to play them well (and I've tried the Saturn pad).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:43 pm        Reply with quote

Excited to hear all these positive words about that Hori pad. Will definitely have to pick one up when I have the money to spare. I have like 8 controllers or something I can use for my PC but the stock 360 pad is simply garbage for XBLA/2D games, and of course you can't just use any old USB controller for the 360 like you can on PS3. :/
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:19 pm        Reply with quote

Jigsaw wrote:
Excited to hear all these positive words about that Hori pad. Will definitely have to pick one up when I have the money to spare. I have like 8 controllers or something I can use for my PC but the stock 360 pad is simply garbage for XBLA/2D games, and of course you can't just use any old USB controller for the 360 like you can on PS3. :/


You still somewhere in Europe? If so then please do say where you find a place to buy one from.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 2:59 pm        Reply with quote

Texican Rude wrote:
Man why didn't every JRPG post-famicom use L trigger as ACTION BUTTON.


Because every game that does that ends up causing my device to have a broken L trigger. I've worn out 3 DSLites this way :( My PSP (thanks to Monster Hunter mainly) has a half working R button.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:13 pm        Reply with quote

i like to map shot to R and bomb to L in shmups.

never broke or dislocated a shoulder button.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:18 pm        Reply with quote

Ymer wrote:
Jigsaw wrote:
Excited to hear all these positive words about that Hori pad. Will definitely have to pick one up when I have the money to spare. I have like 8 controllers or something I can use for my PC but the stock 360 pad is simply garbage for XBLA/2D games, and of course you can't just use any old USB controller for the 360 like you can on PS3. :/


You still somewhere in Europe? If so then please do say where you find a place to buy one from.

Sweden, yeah. If/when I get around to actually trying to get hold of one I'll try to remember to talk about how it goes.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:41 pm        Reply with quote

I tend to prefer a very soft-yet-clicky dpad and pretty much everything but nintendo handhelds has been horrible on the "clicky" part for ten years

pretty much everyone has decent enough face buttons though logitech always fucks this up somehow

and triggers, well ... I'm looking forward to seeing these pelican things on my PS3 controller. the 360 trigger+bumper thing has always seemed a little schizoid to me, the gamecube is obviously the best here but if you want to talk multiple triggers it clearly falls on its face (see also: analog sticks), the original xbox controller was really specialized toward dual analog games, and the dreamcast triggers are nothing special (but they sort of were).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:04 pm        Reply with quote

I SWEAR by the VS pad thing. The buttons are sega genesis huge and it has click cherry switches for everything. The direction stick is a stick rather than a pad so tap-tapping it doesn't feel like it does with a "proper" dpad but it just feels faster all around. Playing the newer YS' with this is DELICIOUS

http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Versus-Controller-Playstation-3/dp/B0051MQK6K

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:47 pm        Reply with quote

I miss the Gamecube face button layout. The asymmetry actually makes it possible to remember which face button is which. With the SNES-style face button layout, whenever I go back to a game after a year, I need to relearn which face button did what.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:05 pm        Reply with quote

Texican Rude wrote:
Guys I'll mail one of you a Microsoft Sidewinder Pad for the 3 bucks of shipping. This one is USB.


They made that model with USB!? I love that layout, but I've only ever come across gameport ones. The Freestyle Pro is the next best thing, until you accidentally turn on the tilt control.

I really like the stock 360 pad, d-pad aside. Lotsa new games are automatically configured for it. Configuring joystick options for games way back when used to be hell, and anything that prevents that is great by me.

Retrolink's NES pads are horrible and squishy, but their Saturn pads, despite feeling similarly cheap are ok and lack the squishiness. Don't pay more than $10 for them. Definitely don't pay $30, like a couple sites had them going for.

I've never had any success with any of the Wii remote hosts.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:30 pm        Reply with quote

Broco wrote:
I miss the Gamecube face button layout. The asymmetry actually makes it possible to remember which face button is which. With the SNES-style face button layout, whenever I go back to a game after a year, I need to relearn which face button did what.


I think the general consensus on the gamecube pad is that if they lopped off the d-pad, the c-stick, and the Z button it would be about as specialized-perfect but less actively flawed.

(the C-stick is fine as a set of hotkeys in Zelda/Metroid or as a nice-but-not-automatic-enough camera in Mario Sunshine, but that's all)

Retrolink are the Saturn pads I have (2 for $20). I just went and gave them a squeeze after reading this thread and they're really very good apart from the shoulders.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:38 pm        Reply with quote

this topic is making me wish my SNES worked.

i got to pick up and use an original NES controller for the first time in fucking years a few months ago, to play the original Super mario Bros. no less. i think i played that game better than i had in years -- got to the end in like twenty minutes, no warps, no deaths. that controller just feels RIGHT.

having to use a controller with a stick has taken some getting used to, and while i'm reasonably adept at it, i pine for a proper cross pad.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:41 pm        Reply with quote

I own a single Wii remote for when people want to play Wii Sports on my projector using Dolphin

I never bothered getting a sensor bar setup so I just use the mouse as a pointing device; the A/B buttons are redundant with the Wiimote, and it's only the gyros that are used in all of those sports titles.

As bluetooth is within the range of things that Nintendo can be reliably expected to cheap out on, I have had no issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:59 pm        Reply with quote

you don't even need a sensor bar, just 2 bright light sources for the ir camera to triangulate from (like those lamp candles, which means you can do it and look snazzy and classy round xmas time)

have i ever talked about how the wiimote handles pointing is a smart solution because it can scale to rooms that the move and kinect would more likely than not have issues in
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:02 pm        Reply with quote

doesn't help that my "screen" is a wall with nothing on it, I'd have to glue tea lights to the wall
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:09 pm        Reply with quote

pft

tape some cheap xmas lights to the wall

a little janky looking, but quick setup and breakdown
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:39 pm        Reply with quote

Felix wrote:
I think the general consensus on the gamecube pad is that if they lopped off the d-pad, the c-stick, and the Z button it would be about as specialized-perfect but less actively flawed.

I think that consensus is stupid.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:45 pm        Reply with quote

I guess Felix is talking about the Hori Gamepad. Not really but I get to mention it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:56 pm        Reply with quote

I have so many alternate controllers now that I think about it.

Hori GC "GB player" pad
Saturn Pad for PS2
Neo Geo Pad for PS2 (or did I sell this to someone here?)
SFIV Mad Catz pad for PS3, and two for the 360
White GC pad for the Wii

I think that's it? I was such an import fanatic from the late 90s up until around 2007 or so.
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