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Infernarl



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:04 am    Post subject: Does anyone go in for the analog gaming?    Reply with quote

Do any of you play boardgames as well? I'm a real big board gamer as well as a video gamer.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/user/Infernarl

wondered if I was the only one...


It seems especially relevant with the imminent xbox live versions of Settlers of catan, carcassone, and talisman.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:12 am        Reply with quote

Personally, outside of videogames I pretty much only play chess and Go. The random element of most other board games reduces their value (except as "party games").


(Offtopic quibble with your title: I don't think I've ever seen an analog board game, they're all discrete. Unless you count games like billiards or foosball.)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:14 am        Reply with quote

If you use a round six-sided die does it count as analog?



I have some board games but I can only ever get my friends to play Taboo, Balderdash and Apples to Apples :/
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Infernarl



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:15 am        Reply with quote

Broco wrote:
The random element of most other board games reduces their value


have you tried anything more on the perfect information side of the spectrum, like Puerto Rico or Caylus?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:21 am        Reply with quote

I like Apples to Apples.

And Risk.

And Chess, and Hungry Hungry Hippos, and that magnetic fishing game - but more as a toy than a game.

Oh, and Texas Hold'em Poker.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:25 am        Reply with quote

I've been playing more board games than video games lately. I've caught up on most of the video games I've wanted to play and nothing on any of the new consoles looks very interesting to me.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/user/wourme

Somehow it doesn't seem as if it would be much fun to play a board game on a screen. With the exception of Board Game Top Shop for PS1 and the board game level in Psychonauts, of course.

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Infernarl



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:35 am        Reply with quote

another god wrote:
I like Apples to Apples.


I fucking hate apples to apples. it is not a game.

i have won it by playing random cards from my hand without looking.
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Infernarl



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:40 am        Reply with quote

wourme wrote:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/user/wourme


what is this Amoeba Wars? it looks like twilight imperium.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 5:44 am        Reply with quote

apples to apples is kind of fun if you make all of the nouns people you know.

i'm always trying to get people around here to play bridge but the only card game they'll play is poker :(
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:01 am        Reply with quote

Infernarl wrote:
what is this Amoeba Wars? it looks like twilight imperium.


Amoeba Wars is sort of a light war game from the early 1980s. I've always liked the theme (giant space amoebas eating things and a mysterious giant spaceship--the Doomsday Machine--that you don't want to encounter). I haven't played it in years, and I haven't yet tried Twilight Imperium, so I can't really make a comparison. I don't think it's nearly as complex as TI, though.

Another space-themed game that I like is Nexus Ops. I mention it because it's absurdly cheap right now as it goes out of production. It's sort of like a mixture of Axis and Allies and Starcraft, and it has some of my favorite components of any game--little lava monsters and rock spiders and plasma dragons and things that look nice under a blacklight.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:14 am        Reply with quote

wourme wrote:
I've always liked the theme (giant space amoebas eating things)


Have you heard of Globbo!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:19 am    Post subject: Re: Does anyone go in for the analog gaming?    Reply with quote

Infernarl wrote:
Do any of you play boardgames as well? I'm a real big board gamer as well as a video gamer.

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/user/Infernarl

wondered if I was the only one...


It seems especially relevant with the imminent xbox live versions of Settlers of catan, carcassone, and talisman.


I would if it was easier to get likeminded people together to play. That's why I'm excited about the XBLA games mentioned.

Got Puerto Rico last year for my birthday and have barely been able to play it due to the pain in the ass logistics of gathering geeks of around my age (full time job age) who I actually like spending time with.

I has a friend who got me to play a lot of Risk and Axis and Allies too...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:19 am        Reply with quote

Infernarl wrote:
another god wrote:
I like Apples to Apples.


I fucking hate apples to apples. it is not a game.

i have won it by playing random cards from my hand without looking.

The you're doing it wrong.

It's all about making ZANY combinations and laughing!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:22 am        Reply with quote

slipstream wrote:
It's all about making ZANY combinations and laughing!


Right. Picking random cards heightens the "zany" ... shudder
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:51 am        Reply with quote

I dig a good game of Risk with as many people as can fit around a board. I recall combining two sets back in the day (one wooden pieces, one plastic pieces) and playing a 12-player game. Took damn near forever, but I almost won.

I also enjoy Monopoly. I will play it forever.

Otherwise, I'll play anything someone teaches me how to play. I really want to learn Carcassonne and Settlers.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:31 am        Reply with quote

This is where it's at.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:39 am        Reply with quote

Please.

"Helen Keller" -> Visionary
"The Themis Group" -> Risky

You can't play Apples to Apples with people who aren't clever. Otherwise you're just playing Boring Assholes With Cards.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:35 pm        Reply with quote

Axis and Allies is where its at. Of course, you have to be pretty dedicated to ever finish a game.

Also, don't give the new guy control of Russia :(
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 6:49 pm        Reply with quote

None of my friends are geeky enough to play Diplomacy, Puerto Rico, Carcassonne, or Settlers with me. Even my friend who has been two at least TWO renaissance festivals picks on me about these games. I just wish the good board games like Carcassonne and Settlers could get past the medieval theme because people who don't play a lot of board games don't have an open enough mind to get past the silly theme. Hell, it's usually not even the theme of the game so much as the art on the box. Maybe I should just put them in ziploc bags...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:10 pm        Reply with quote

guess who also becomes much more fun with a personalized set.

settlers of catan seems to be pretty popular with fyad so maybe i should get into it???
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:20 pm        Reply with quote

dmauro wrote:
None of my friends are geeky enough to play Diplomacy, Puerto Rico, Carcassonne, or Settlers with me. Even my friend who has been two at least TWO renaissance festivals picks on me about these games. I just wish the good board games like Carcassonne and Settlers could get past the medieval theme because people who don't play a lot of board games don't have an open enough mind to get past the silly theme. Hell, it's usually not even the theme of the game so much as the art on the box. Maybe I should just put them in ziploc bags...


I've been wanting to play all of those, but the box art REALLY puts me off. How do Carcassonne and Settlers play? My friends are generally willing to get into anything (we had vicious Risk games going for days, but I hate Risk because it's based almost entirely on luck).

Cheapassgames.com has some sort-of-interesting stuff for like six dollars, Kill/Save Doctor Lucky being the most popular.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:51 pm        Reply with quote

Well Settlers is considered one of the best board games there is, and Carcassonne is pretty popular as well. Both are pretty simple games. If you're into Risk, I would say Settlers is going to be more to your liking than Carcassonne. I hope you don't mind if I direct you to the website of a board and card game store that my friend owns. Here's the page for Settlers of Catan that describes it a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:46 pm        Reply with quote

I play Magic the Gathering (or I used to, I haven't picked up any new cards in a long time, that game is a total money pit)

I have sort of wanted to play some of the aforementioned games very much and I am glad that they are getting XBLA versions made of them, because that will make it much easier to actually find people to play with.

I also think these are pretty cool, but despair of my ability to ever get somone to play, so I've never picked one up http://www.gipf.com/
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:46 pm        Reply with quote

Infernarl wrote:
slipstream wrote:
It's all about making ZANY combinations and laughing!


Right. Picking random cards heightens the "zany" ... shudder

Quit being so autistic, it's a fun party game to play with people.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:24 pm        Reply with quote

Taylor Bee wrote:


I've been wanting to play all of those, but the box art REALLY puts me off. How do Carcassonne and Settlers play? My friends are generally willing to get into anything (we had vicious Risk games going for days, but I hate Risk because it's based almost entirely on luck)


RISK IS A FUCKING AWFUL TRAIN WRECK.

Carcassone and settlers play in like an hour. Carcassone doesn't even have any dice! They reward strategy and are not nearly as reliant on odds and statistics as risk or Axis and Allies.

Board games should not take more than an hour. Risk is a 40 year old game. It is out of date. Would you hang your hat on a 20 year old video game? There has been so much innovation since then. Axis and Allies is from the '80's and is also out of date.

Even Catan is very old in board game years. It is from '93 or '94. There are much more rewarding games that play even faster now.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:26 pm        Reply with quote

Mikey wrote:
I play Magic the Gathering (or I used to, I haven't picked up any new cards in a long time, that game is a total money pit)

I have sort of wanted to play some of the aforementioned games very much and I am glad that they are getting XBLA versions made of them, because that will make it much easier to actually find people to play with.

I also think these are pretty cool, but despair of my ability to ever get somone to play, so I've never picked one up http://www.gipf.com/


Zertz is badass. Highly recommend it.
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Infernarl



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:30 pm        Reply with quote

Taylor Bee wrote:
The box art REALLY puts me off.


Boxart for board games is uniformly bad, it is true. You have to look past that. Unfortunately, that makes picking out a game with no advice to be very difficult.

I would recommend anything I rated an 8 or above in my BGG profile.

P.S. I prefer Carcassone Hunters & Gatherers to the original, they fixed the overly complicated farmer scoring.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:36 pm        Reply with quote

Infernarl wrote:
Would you hang your hat on a 20 year old video game?


You'd be surprised how many people would.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:58 pm        Reply with quote

the way Monopoly progresses always kind of annoyed me. eventually 2 or 3 people have all the power, and it's just random dice rolling to see which one of them gets shafted first... it's just the exact opposite of the excitement everyone has at the beginning.
Risk is alright. sometimes it gets pretty fun with strategy, other times it turns into trench warfare attrition.

so what's all these Puerto Rican and Casanova board games are about? I don't feel like wiki-ing, I want a subjective summary.

I like playing Poker and Hwatu with some friends to pass time. and Mahjong can be pretty fun, but Koreans in general have never heard of the game so I can only play it online. which isn't much more fun than online Poker if you know what I mean.

would anyone care to learn to play Shogi? it's no fun only playing against Japanese pros online, I don't learn much.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:37 pm        Reply with quote

I hadn't heard of Globbo. It looks like an interesting concept that could use some new artwork.

Of the GIPF games, I think my favorite is DVONN. (I have all but the last one in the GIPF series.) Here's a DVONN image from BGG:



I've been curious about the Knights expansion for Settlers of Catan. I'm kind of tired of the basic game, but had always assumed that this expansion added elements to the game that really don't belong, as game expansions sometimes do. However, some generally reliable sources seem to say that this expansion makes it into sort of a different game, but a good one.

One way to find people to play board games with is to include your location in a Board Game Geek profile. A group in my city contacted me out of nowhere some months ago when one of their regulars moved away, and now I play games with them pretty often.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:15 am        Reply with quote

haze wrote:
Monopoly

If you could please be so kind as to not mention that game in this thread.

I'm pretty sure it's the worst board game ever.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 3:23 am        Reply with quote

Infernarl wrote:
Taylor Bee wrote:
The box art REALLY puts me off.


Boxart for board games is uniformly bad, it is true. You have to look past that. Unfortunately, that makes picking out a game with no advice to be very difficult.

I would recommend anything I rated an 8 or above in my BGG profile.

P.S. I prefer Carcassone Hunters & Gatherers to the original, they fixed the overly complicated farmer scoring.


Thanks, I will give Carcassone a shot. I will also try to store it in a blank box or something. Also, there is a really good Mario 3-based joke about dice in this thread. THINK HARD.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:52 am        Reply with quote

The hardest choice I ever had to make as judge in Apples to Apples (another game I'm now pretty tired of) was for "boisterous." I narrowed it down to "worms" and "having an operation," and I just couldn't choose between the two.

One game I'd recommend to just about anyone is Lost Cities. It's quick, well-designed, and has very nice artwork. It's also cheap and not too hard to find even if you don't have a dedicated game store nearby. It's a two-player game.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:55 am        Reply with quote

haze wrote:
so what's all these Puerto Rican and Casanova board games are about? I don't feel like wiki-ing, I want a subjective summary.


In Puerto Rico there are 7(?) jobs and 3-5 of you. every turn each person picks a job. Then, EVERYONE gets to do the job that each person picked with the picking person getting an advantage. The jobs are like plant, harvest sell.

Also it has little brown cylinders that represent little brown slave labor.

Carcassone consists of a bag of square counters with parts of roads and castles on them. You fit together the roads and castles like a puzzle. When ever you make an entire road or castle you get points. Evey turn you add in one tile.

I hear that board gaming is pretty big in korea, that there are cafes for it. Check out tom vasel's blog (he lives in korea)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 4:58 am        Reply with quote

wourme wrote:
One game I'd recommend to just about anyone is Lost Cities.


Also it is consistently referenced as "good for with your girlfriend"
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:02 am        Reply with quote

wourme wrote:
I've been curious about the Knights expansion for Settlers of Catan. I'm kind of tired of the basic game, but had always assumed that this expansion added elements to the game that really don't belong, as game expansions sometimes do. However, some generally reliable sources seem to say that this expansion makes it into sort of a different game, but a good one.


In my opinion cities and knights adds play time and complexity but not fun.
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Infernarl wrote:
Risk is a 40 year old game. It is out of date. Would you hang your hat on a 20 year old video game? There has been so much innovation since then. Axis and Allies is from the '80's and is also out of date.

Even Catan is very old in board game years. It is from '93 or '94. There are much more rewarding games that play even faster now.


Fuck chess!
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For a card/board game that is good for two people and works with a few more as well, check out Girl Genius: The Works. The art is all done by Phil Phoglio who those of you that played Magic the Gathering may remember fondly, but more importantly, it's a fun, easy to pick up game that is all about strategy, but has enough luck in it not to scare off your friends. You lay down twelve cards on the table face done, and then on your turn you flip one over and then rotate it. By rotating cards and matching up the sides you pop them off the table and then they have some effect. It's pretty cheap too since it's just a deck of cards.
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Laurel Soup wrote:
Risk is a 40 year old game. It is out of date. Would you hang your hat on a 20 year old video game? There has been so much innovation since then. Axis and Allies is from the '80's and is also out of date.

Even Catan is very old in board game years. It is from '93 or '94. There are much more rewarding games that play even faster now.


Seriously, this a pretty silly opinion. From just about every perspective. I still find Risk fun to play when you've got enough time and people on hand. That it is old is hardly a reason to not play it, especially where board games are concerned. Furthermore I highly doubt that board games have progressed as much as video games have in the last 20 years. And I do "hang my hat" on 20 year old video games, including Mega Man and Super Mario Brothers.

And as has someone has already astutely noted, Chess.
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dmauro wrote:
For a card/board game that is good for two people and works with a few more as well, check out Girl Genius: The Works. The art is all done by Phil Phoglio who those of you that played Magic the Gathering may remember fondly, but more importantly, it's a fun, easy to pick up game that is all about strategy, but has enough luck in it not to scare off your friends. You lay down twelve cards on the table face done, and then on your turn you flip one over and then rotate it. By rotating cards and matching up the sides you pop them off the table and then they have some effect. It's pretty cheap too since it's just a deck of cards.


Also it is the same system as the erotic card game xxxenophile which also has phil foglio art
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