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BotageL
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:16 pm        Reply with quote

RobotRocker wrote:
Mirror's edge 2 MS exclusive was wrong

He said it would appear in the conference, not that it would be exclusive. That was wrong, but the game showed up at EA's event later that day, so it probably got bumped.

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Prince Of Persia Exclusive was wrong

Also never said it was exclusive.

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PSN staying free was wrong

He said he wasn't sure about this one, and it's pretty clear his sources are closer to MS.

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MS Buying off mentions of games on other consoles was completely wrong

Can't be proven either way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 5:55 pm        Reply with quote

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Why can't Samsung wipe them from the face of the earth already?


Because Sony has worked hard to become more than just consumer electronics, so (in Wu Tang financial terms) "they diversified their portfolio, mothafucka." So yeah, records, movies, TV, all sorts of shit. Now, granted, they function together terribly, but it is part of what keeps the company as a whole kicking. They are a giant mess though MS is a mess, too, just in a different way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:00 pm        Reply with quote

Sony's big money maker is selling insurance in Japan of all things.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:03 pm        Reply with quote

Winona Ghost Ryder wrote:
Sony's big money maker is selling insurance in Japan of all things.


I didn't know this, but it 100% doesn't surprise me at all if it is true.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 6:47 pm        Reply with quote

you should prob do some reading re: samsung

(massively corrupt, p much the s.k mafia)
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:12 pm        Reply with quote

Well done select button. You just can't let a grudge go even a month afterwards and you decide to get personal. I hope you're happy.

Hi NeoGAF. I don't know what select button got butthurt enough to try pull dirt because of Something I said but I bet it's hilarious that you went to all that effort to pull something out of another website without context or any respect. (PS. Take a fucking joke for once)

I'd throw in a goatman but fuck it. I can't even be bothered on that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:45 pm        Reply with quote

You clearly do care about these giant faceless corporations and fanboys and THE CONSOLE WARS from your post history the past couple months. Of course you'll deny it with a frantic and hyperbolic response. Just calm down or post at Gamefaqs/Neogaf.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:39 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah you should do that thing I said and relax man caring about the public image of gigantic faceless corporations is liable to give you a coronary.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:58 pm        Reply with quote

RobotRocker wrote:
Hell, I suggested "I'd love to subscribe to PS Plus but there's not a lot of incentive for a new member. Wouldn't it be nice if new members could get five past titles from Sony's first party to help their instant game collection" and got met with


Yeah, wouldn't it be nice? more stuff is always nice. But I'm pretty sure playstation plus is a big incentive for people that play a lot of games.

Here are all of the free games from the first year of "instant game collection"

http://www.flickr.com/photos/playstationblog/9154890398/

and as long as you've downloaded those games, you can "keep' them for free, as long as you are a PS+ member. Even after they are no longer free.

That's pretty amazing and is huge incentive. Again, this is for people that play a lot of games and aren't super specifically picky. But even still, a person could wait until some games where offered that they were interested in and make that their starting month.

This is what you get access to right now, if you are a brand new member:

http://us.playstation.com/psn/playstation-plus/

18 free games
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:36 pm        Reply with quote

this thread is getting silly

the internet is giving MS grief because they came up with stupid shit, then because MS realized they wanted to make money and stopped doing all the stuff they realized they couldn't get away with. Sony had its turn as the whipping post (the hubris of Ken Kutaragi circa PS3 reveal/launch is still several leagues worse than what MS pulled round/during E3).

I'm glad that they see that some of the shit they were gonna pull was dumb and that they're going past expectations with stuff like the devkit capability because blah blah blah competition etc., especially with Nintendo deciding they want to be a non-entity in the console race atm. the less bullshit tacked onto the system, the more games will come, and a big library is a healthy library (I hope).

still keeping that PS4 pre-order though, sometimes you gotta smack a dog on the nose til he understands
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:26 pm        Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:27 pm        Reply with quote

As a developer I'd very much like to see more technical information. But details later, I guess...

It's really hard for me to trust their messaging as of late, especially when it's a massive turnaround from both previous practices and overall mentality.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:33 pm        Reply with quote

RobotRocker wrote:
The hardware is doing bad enough that major investors want a split. Which I hope they get because really, fuck Sony. They spat in gamers faces for years and now because they throw some nerd on stage and yell "No used games" they expect forgiveness. I really don't fucking care about PS4 and I'm sick of being told "BUT PS4". Fuck Sony. Cunts.

Christ, you've been a complete embarrassment about all of this, for the endless years since Sony made shit with the start of the PS3. I'm not going that SB has been above console favouritism, but you absolutely cannot deny the continued fuckups that MS have made over this machine, instead of throwing total wobblers over rumours of the always-on DRM (that was a thing! And you said fucking nothing), or toxic indie relations/rules (which you're only talking about now because MS have again done an about face), and you've given no impression over the machine's confusing dedication to television of all things. The minute they say you don't need Xbox Live to get Netflix, you'll be screaming from the hills about how great they are and using overly vulgar language to illustrate your ingrained hatred of a company who also make televisions, yet didn't use a console reveal to tell everyone how great it is to watch interactive fantasy eggball on.

I have no idea what to say about the conflict in calling Sony "cunts" (charming) combined with "don't care about the PS4". Why are Sony the bad people? What is it that MS did that was so much nicer in comparison, when we look at their less than altruistic practices in the PC hemisphere or anti-competitive efforts that have lasted more than 20 years? Would MS be better ploughing through with anti-consumer practices?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:29 am        Reply with quote

RobotRocker wrote:
CubaLibre wrote:
Yeah you should do that thing I said and relax man caring about the public image of gigantic faceless corporations is liable to give you a coronary.


Go fuck yourself. Seriously. Go Fuck yourself.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:31 am        Reply with quote

Toptube wrote:
and as long as you've downloaded those games, you can "keep' them for free, as long as you are a PS+ member. Even after they are no longer free.


Actually, you don't even have to download them. You just have to add them to your account. At that point PSN will automatically start a download, but you can cancel it, and still have it to download at any later time you still have your PS+ account active.

A technicality, but, pretty much Super SEGA Channel Turbo for modern consoles.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:51 am        Reply with quote

CONSUME_PRODUCTS wrote:
you should prob do some reading re: samsung

(massively corrupt, p much the s.k mafia)

Yeah, they have a virtual monopoly on the electronics industry in S.K. It's pretty shitty for small businesses. S.K. in general probably needs some aggressive anti-trust legislation, though I don't really expect that to happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 10:30 am        Reply with quote

another god wrote:
Toptube wrote:
and as long as you've downloaded those games, you can "keep' them for free, as long as you are a PS+ member. Even after they are no longer free.


Actually, you don't even have to download them. You just have to add them to your account. At that point PSN will automatically start a download, but you can cancel it, and still have it to download at any later time you still have your PS+ account active.

A technicality, but, pretty much Super SEGA Channel Turbo for modern consoles.


and I actually knew that, but at the time I guess I was too lazy to type the extra stuff. But since I was on defense, I guess I should have given the extra detail!

Not to mention, the other benefits like major discounts on other games, online save storage, etc.

*although, I'd like to see online save storage be a free feature for everyone. I mean, it's absolutely stupid that we otherwise have no transportability for our game saves.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 12:10 pm        Reply with quote

Toptube wrote:
*although, I'd like to see online save storage be a free feature for everyone. I mean, it's absolutely stupid that we otherwise have no transportability for our game saves.


wait, really? none at all? Does the 360 allow this?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:35 pm        Reply with quote

yo you'll excuse me if "we promise we'll give you full access eventually but we're still not talking details until gamescom" isn't exactly a statement i can take at face value.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:12 pm        Reply with quote

Ymer wrote:
Toptube wrote:
*although, I'd like to see online save storage be a free feature for everyone. I mean, it's absolutely stupid that we otherwise have no transportability for our game saves.


wait, really? none at all? Does the 360 allow this?


the 360 just lets you use a USB flash card as memory, but it has to be formated for the system. also there were 360 memory cards.

and yeah, neither system gives cloud saving away for free. and the only way to transfer a lot of ps3 saves is backup the hard drive in the original system, which only works if you remember to do it BEFORE the system dies. Yeah...got fucked by that. If you try to swap the hard drive toa new system, it will format it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:31 pm        Reply with quote

And we all know how awesome clouds function when you have no internet access, yes.
But still, we can always buy another 360 for our trip in our submarine, right?



(guess what, I am no friend of cloud-storage! But then I'm from a country that asks the NSA for 2nd hand data after they gave them free access, so …… kind of a theme going on here, yup. Still, I don't see what was so excellent about doing away with memory card+game you could take with you when visiting a friend. Never needed amazing online-friend systems for that.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:46 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, I actually own a 360 memory card from before they opened the USB compatability. I am still pissed at my ps3 for eating all of my saves.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:14 pm        Reply with quote

I think the one benefit of PS3's super encrypted/DRM'd game saves is that the saves aren't super hackable like they are on 360.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:22 pm        Reply with quote

boojiboy7 wrote:
Yeah, I actually own a 360 memory card from before they opened the USB compatability. I am still pissed at my ps3 for eating all of my saves.

I tried to sell that when I sold off my xblobs, but it has a resale value of less than a penny :(
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:27 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, gonna be stuck with that little silly thing forever, which is fine. it just lives in my xbox.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:20 pm        Reply with quote

Ronnoc wrote:
boojiboy7 wrote:
Yeah, I actually own a 360 memory card from before they opened the USB compatability. I am still pissed at my ps3 for eating all of my saves.

I tried to sell that when I sold off my xblobs, but it has a resale value of less than a penny :(


it seemed fairly obvious that they were only putting proprietary memory card slots on the console at that point (2005?) to make money. I'm glad they finally went ahead and made them functionally useless, but it also just fucks early adopters that little bit.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:43 pm        Reply with quote

eh, i think mine cost me all of 20 bucks, so i don't feel particularly fucked, or no more fucked than every other memory card i ever bought.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:44 pm        Reply with quote

God that reminds me: the reason why developing on Xbox sucks is because you have to support all those memory options even now and test for all sorts of dumb cases like if someone installs the entire game on to the card somehow and then pulls it out while it's loading. Urghhhhh.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:45 pm        Reply with quote

yeah that is some silly BS.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:17 pm        Reply with quote

In my experience these Xbox 360 memory cards still have decent resale value.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 4:41 am        Reply with quote

boojiboy7 wrote:
eh, i think mine cost me all of 20 bucks, so i don't feel particularly fucked, or no more fucked than every other memory card i ever bought.

Mine was $60 :o

I don't feel particularly upset, though. I used the bugger exclusively for over a year.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:49 am        Reply with quote

Well, for what it's worth they didn't actually remove the functionality. You can't buy new memory cards (nor would you really want to), but the ones you own still work as fine as they ever did.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 6:57 pm        Reply with quote

Jigsaw wrote:
Well, for what it's worth they didn't actually remove the functionality. You can't buy new memory cards (nor would you really want to), but the ones you own still work as fine as they ever did.

Weird, I bought one on amazon like 2 months ago

(i had to buy it to get free shipping, so i actually saved money by buying it. but still)
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:04 pm        Reply with quote

I know this is dead and old and no new exciting Xbone news has happened besides the desperation Euro FIFA bundle, but I managed to see one of the these things in person today, sitting there, not doing anything

I am so very happy to report that the Xbone is, in fact, Xbox huge. it is almost exactly the same shape and size as the OG Xbox

now just cut the price and throw in a copy of Crimson Dragon and I'll jump in
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:18 pm        Reply with quote

I will try not to read into this that microsoft has abandoned any dubious cross-cultural aspirations they once had for hardware design and instead assume that they're just dgafing what with the whole x86 thing and throwing a standard mITX board in there just like my computer.
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there's a Die shot floating around the internet, that is supposedly from the Xbone. It has a section with a large amount of transistors unaccounted for.

IF it actually is a real Die shot from the actual Xbone that is in production and due to ship: the size of this Die section suggests another graphics chip.


I'm not buying it, the speculation. But it's out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:12 pm        Reply with quote

I've read so many theories as to what sort of secret sauce lies within the Xbone

I've also read that, of the launch titles, only Forza is native 1080p (Ryse is confirmed 1600x900 upscaled, KI has been noted as 720p in development, DR3 only just got locked 30 fps so no one knows what res it'll run and there's rumors that BF4 is going to be 720p/60fps), which sort of flies counter to the presence of untapped power waiting to be unleashed
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:12 am        Reply with quote

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I've read so many theories as to what sort of secret sauce lies within the Xbone

I've also read that, of the launch titles, only Forza is native 1080p (Ryse is confirmed 1600x900 upscaled, KI has been noted as 720p in development, DR3 only just got locked 30 fps so no one knows what res it'll run and there's rumors that BF4 is going to be 720p/60fps), which sort of flies counter to the presence of untapped power waiting to be unleashed


BF4 is not a rumor. those specs were officially confirmed.


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I think the physical size of the Xbone is MS just making damn certain they don't have to again put out a billion dollars on damage control. See: it should have good cooling and ventilation.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:33 am        Reply with quote

All of that hardware power and the games are still not Full HD?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:28 pm        Reply with quote

1080p (Full HD is a terrible term and I hope it dies) is totally down to developer desire, seeing as many upcoming Wii U titles are going to be 1080p60. there's also the whole Microsoft engineers purposely not targeting the highest specs (which, if what has been said about Kinect 2.0's cost is true, is to keep the price down). the PS4 is going to have more titles at 1080p at launch, but that really doesn't mean much, since a lot of the lower-res titles on either platform are going to be multiplats/ports, wherein the issue is the performance/IQ tightrope walk.

oh, and it's not that much power, the new consoles are still pretty meh in comparison to the last couple generations of GPUs in the PC space

I've been sitting at the 1080p threshold for the past 5-6 years on PC. it's not that big a deal. higher framerates are sexier.
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How are they going to push QuadHD when they can't even make it to 1080p without effort? They're already pushing TVs that have 2160 lines and more. It's crazy.
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