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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:21 pm |
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| Price is Right model is by far the best part of this presentation so far. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:22 pm |
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| Ymer wrote: |
| This audience is most enthusiastic. |
Pretty embarrassing for media professionals, no? |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:24 pm |
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| So if you don't subscribe to cable all of this TV stuff is useless, right? They do realize people are finally ditching cable and on demand/a la carte is the inevitable future (during this console generation), right? |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:30 pm |
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WHY CAN'T THEY HIRE SOMEONE TO DRESS THESE GUYS? Don't they have enough money?
Marc Whitten's ill fitting sportcoat and untucked faux-denim button-up are not working.
I live 5 miles from Redmond and get that people are dumpy here. But this is bad. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:32 pm |
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| Hey that console that you don't have to even move your finger to hit a remote control button, or remember TV channels when you meld into your couch? You can also get totally BUFF working out with neo-Kinect. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:33 pm |
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| shnozlak wrote: |
| it can read your heart beat...? |
Xbox Vitality Sensor. Calling Miyamoto coming out next. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:35 pm |
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He just said your games will be stored in the cloud.
Also Xzibit meme. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:37 pm |
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| GUYS NBA LIVE, THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE BEEN SAVING IT FOR! |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:39 pm |
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| Games being stored "in the cloud" = you don't get to play stuff off a disc (or installed on your local machine) any more? |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:43 pm |
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| WHY THE FUCK IS HE WEARING A WATCH ON EACH WRIST?? |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:44 pm |
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| Oh wait one of them is a lady bracelet. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:47 pm |
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| The first time you used Xbox Live to invite that innocent 13 year old to come over and play Halo. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:52 pm |
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| Tall Martha Stewart has ugly black flats, boring black pants, a matronly white blazer, and pearls. But she's still thrashing all the dudes in the style competition today. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:53 pm |
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| Halo/Breaking Bad crossover!!! |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:54 pm |
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| shnozlak wrote: |
| Im voting Bonnie least embarrassingly dressed. |
Yeah she actually looks good. I'm a little sad it didn't keep devolving until 4 guys with blazers and jeans who don't know what to do with their hands.
There's still time. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:58 pm |
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| Taunt your fantasy football bro-friends! NEXT GENERATION STARTS NOW. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:00 pm |
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| notbov wrote: |
whoa, the One is like, VCR big
damn |
It kinda looks like the PSX, that DVR+PS2 all-in-one machine they released in Japan.
It's ugly as sin, big blocky cable box. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:03 pm |
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| "One of the fascinating new additions to your squad... is a dog." |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:08 pm |
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| This will be the most well written dog squad member ever. WE GOT A SCREENWRITER FROM TRAFFIC GUYS. IT HAS A TATTOO IN ITS EAR. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:12 pm |
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So games:
Forza Again and Remedy's Quantum Break are the system exclusives they showed.
Everything else multiplatform: EA Sports, COD:Ghosts. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:14 pm |
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| They didn't say a damn thing about price, always-on internet connectivity, installing games, what they mean by "your games are in the cloud", whether used software is restricted (pay to unlock, can't install, etc.). Date was just a vague 2013, and we're not sure if that differs by region. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:25 pm |
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| Take It Sleazy wrote: |
| xbox go home >:| |
hahahahahaha |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:35 pm |
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| I don't know, the PS4 looks shockingly competent after the reveal of this... thing |
I'm quite fine with PS4. Their reveal made a serious effort to focus on games, they seem to have learned from their PS3 mistakes with the system being easy to develop for, have a pretty open attitude toward developers. I'm gonna need some way to play the console only stuff that will come out (say, the new Guilty Gear).
Xbox is pretty much irrelevant to me though, I don't want a media hub box so it comes down to system exclusive games and I have serious doubts they'll show anything compelling enough to make me care (and overlook all the surrounding bullshit). |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:42 pm |
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| I'm impressed, Microsoft. You've managed to make me not care about a new console. |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:58 pm |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| gaming is the only hobby i know of where enthusiasts pay attention to stock prices during announcements. |
Eh, it's a pretty common thing in the tech industry in general, or any time a major publicly traded company does a hyped up press reveal event. You think people don't track Apple stock to gauge public/investor reactions whenever they have a press event revealing a major new product? |
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Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 11:56 pm |
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| Felix wrote: |
| let it be said that Android games remain pretty bad and the situation isn't all that much better on iOS |
As someone with current Android and iOS devices, that's crazy talk. iOS is WAAAAAAAY better for gaming. Lots of reasons: more hardware standardization, devs stand a better chance of actually making money, network effects (more devs/games/audience on iOS = that's the go to platform for new games). Lots of the games are trash, but there are some pretty good ones too. It's largely a matter of doing something that suits itself to satisfying play on a touchscreen device.
Purely for gaming functionality, yeah, give me a Nintendo or Sony portable any day. But I'm happy to play some games on my iPad in addition to its functions of being a fantastic internet tablet, digital book/magazine reader, playing/streaming video and music, video chatting, etc.
I've had a lot of fun with some shooters (Cave's games are excellent), point-and-click style adventure games, puzzle games, board games. |
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 12:23 am |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| oh yeah, so i guess consumer electronics as a whole, then. because man, my dad runs a hobby shop and even he can't tell you what anybody's stocks are doing there. |
I assume the companies that make the stuff sold in your dad's hobby shop aren't publicly traded global mega-companies with multi-billion dollar yearly revenue that have the power to affect global economies.
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| I actually use my 360 as a netflix/hbo/youtube machine as much or more than I use it for games, so I don't mind the 'entertainment machine' idea. |
I don't mind that Netflix/HBO/Youtube are on all my devices (my PS3 has seen more Hulu/Netflix/Blu-ray action than it has gaming in the past year), but that's not exactly a unique selling point for Xbox. If anything, the Gold account paywall makes it the worst choice since you can do the same thing with no paid account on all of the competition: PS4, PS3, WiiU... to say nothing of PCs. Or streaming boxes like Apple TV/Roku, or Smart TVs or Blu-Ray/DVD players with built in apps. Or my phone/tablet. It's not at all unique to Microsoft.
Is the big selling point really that I can yell at the box to switch to cable TV (if I'm a cable TV subscriber) and not have to hit the input button on my remote? An alternate selection method to access a dying format is the revolution here?
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:46 pm |
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Perhaps MS's biggest success from the reveal is that there's more bad news slipping in quietly.
Like confirmation that MS doesn't plan to allow indies to self-publish on the system. That leaves them the one odd man out in an increasingly indie-friendly world of PCs, iOS/Android devices, newfound strong support from Sony on PS4/Vita, and even stodgy old NINTENDO of all companies.
Stuff like no backwards compatibility and focus on non-gaming use didn't surprise me, but this is an area where it seems like they had some opportunity to avoid disaster with a decent plan. Guess not. |
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:11 pm |
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| I wonder if MS was even selling *us* the console, and not some demographic we haven't considered. |
That's the thing. They aren't selling it to us (being SB, a relatively small percentage of their market). They are selling it to the people who have made Call of Duty the highest selling videogame franchise of all time, which is a huge market. If they get or don't get us doesn't really matter to them or their investors. |
That's completely true, but is there really even much of a unique selling point to the CoD/Madden crowd? Those games are also going to be on PS4 with no Xbox live cost and presumably more consumer-friendly online requirements and used game policies. Even bro gamers care about those things.
Is that group especially into giving voice commands to their consoles? My impression is that they aren't, and that they don't really care about novelty Kinect stuff. Are they really excited about having more TV integration? Again, my impression is that they're fine hitting the input button on their TV remote when they want to watch TV.
Maybe timed exclusive CoD DLC and Halo games really ARE the key to capturing those types of people. |
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:35 pm |
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| so tell me again why I should have to travel around with my profile so a physical piece of media will work on another system |
Their point is that you don't have to bring a physical piece of media anywhere. Log in with your account (much like, say, using your Gmail login on a different device), which is linked to all of your games. Download/install the game from the new machine, play.
From a piracy prevention perspective, I get why they're more interested in verifying you've paid for the game through an account. If you make physical media just play in any system, people will find a way to crack the protection and play burned/bootleg copies. It might be a bit overbearing, but it's not a completely unreasonable response to consumers being more and more savvy on how to pirate media.
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| and why don't they have their shit straight for a console unveiling? yeah, the market may be dudebros, but they aren't the early adopters; the early adopters are the people who understand the kind of shit MS (or aren't because they can't make up their minds) is trying to pull |
Yeah, and even if the early adopters aren't the dudebro who plays CoD, the early adopter DOES start to define the conversation about which machine is the winner. PS3 pissing off the early adopter/gamer crown with Sony's early arrogance sure helped 360 get a strong foothold that they used to their benefit when selling to the CoD fans and more casual audience.
I still just don't get the new features. Why would people pay hundreds of dollars for a box that lets them watch TV... that they can already watch without buying the box? Is there really ANYONE who thinks that the ability to switch inputs by yelling at the console makes that a worthwhile proposition? If you already have the box, whatever, why not. But how is this a feature that actually sells the system(which is what it looks like MS believes)? |
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 5:49 pm |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| According to the not-really-ever reliable VGCharts, Black Ops 2 sold 2 million more copies globally on the 360 than on the ps3, so the Live thing isn't really a problem (though there's also the timed-exclusivity thing and such). |
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| Sony had the worst early adoption status with the ps3, and yet shit ended up just fine for them. |
I think those two statements are at odds with each other. 360 became more popular for multi-platform CoD and Madden games because the 360 got entrenched early and the more casual players just went with the popular system. In addition to the system being available a year earlier than PS3, Sony compounded things by bungling the PS3 launch. The enthusiast/early adopter communities definitely played a role in building 360 up as the popular system, due in no large part to their response to Sony's arrogance. And Xbox Live WAS the superior online service for a while. At this point in time, there's practically no difference.
New generation, new comparison. So now we have MS playing the arrogant company that doesn't care about the "real fans" and pissing off the enthusiasts, and some actual tangible benefits that can work against MS from a marketing perspective even to the more casual crowd:
- Live costs money to play online or access stuff like Netflix, PSN doesn't
- If you do want to pay money for a subscription, Sony gives you lots of free games
- You have to pay full price for used games on 360 (and will probably hurt the ability to resell your games too, because why would the next buyer get a used game when they can just get a new one or download it for the same price?)
- Internet connection requirement. Which I don't personally think is nearly as big a deal as people are making it (if you're only using your system to play CoD multiplayer you're already online, right?), but it seems to resonate with people. |
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 7:40 pm |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| I don't see why you think they are at odds at all. Yes, the 360 still has the bigger install base with mainstream/casual/dudebros/whatevertermweareusingforThem, but the PS3 did decently even without that. Sure, did the early adopters possibly push the 360 over the top? yeah, fine. Did that kill or even slow down Sony? Sure as shit doesn't seem like it. |
But... you just cited sales numbers showing that the last CoD sold 2 million more copies on 360. You really don't think that if Sony had a better market position earlier, they probably could have sold to more CoD buying dudebros who decided on the 360 because it was the more popular system at the time they bought it?
Have you ever known any major company to say, "yeah our sales were fine, we're happy as-is"? HELL NO. They (and their shareholders) always want more more more more. Don't you think Sony would rather have massively outsold Microsoft over the life of the last generation instead of gradually improving to the point where they ended up relatively even?
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| The Live situation has been that way since forever, and it didn't slow down the 360 train at all. |
The Live situation most certainly has NOT been that way since forever. Early in the last generation, Live was a significantly better online experience than Sony's initial offering (and for a time was the only game in town). Sony caught up big time, and Microsoft just kept adding shit you can use for free on any other device (Netflix, Facebook, etc) and put it behind a Live paywall.
People already bought into the MS ecosystem when they bought the 360 while it was the only game in town or the dominant platform until Sony got their shit together. Those people are more likely to keep paying for Live due to simple inertia while they have a 360. Switching to a new console is a significant event that breaks that inertia and makes people consider the current circumstances. It's pretty hard to justify $50 a year versus $0 a year for essentially the same functionality.
Most people don't really care much about the market until they go back to buy again. Consider someone buying a car, a TV, a refrigerator. They're happy with what they have while they have it, but when it comes time to go get a new one they turn super-detective and learn a lot about the various options. My wife gave less than a shit about the relative merits of compact SUVs in 2010 when she was happy with her current car. When it came time to get a new vehicle in 2012, she became a straight up expert on the features, pricing, and reviews of every vehicle in the category. She's not a car enthusiast. She's also not that unique in her buying/research process.
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 12:57 am |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| If you look, sony's worldwide ps3 sales ended up being pretty close to even with the 360. the 360, however, got the CoD crowd, which is why i brought that sales number up to begin with. |
Yeah that's my point. Had PS3 gotten off to a better start, it may well have been the popular console that sold to the CoD crowd and we'd be talking about CoD selling millions more on PS3 than 360 instead of the other way around. And instead of worldwide PS3/360 sales being close, could have been more one-sided in favor of PS3, bolstered by some of the CoD playing types who just bought a 360 because it was the more popular system when CoD4 released.
360 wasn't inherently a far superior machine for CoD or Madden, it just ended up being more popular for those games because of other circumstances. Namely, it got off to a strong start from an early launch and PS3 stumbling out of the gate a year later. Microsoft used that opportunity to capture an audience that would remain with them throughout the console generation (why would CoD guy bother changing to PS3 to play the same game when they already have a 360 that plays it?) Now that CoD guy has to upgrade to something new, it's time to actually consider the state of the options in 2013-??? when deciding what system to pick up for this gen.
And I wouldn't give too much weight to brand loyalty for people deciding on the next generation machine. In North America, the dominant platform holder has tended to change almost every generation:
* NES dominated, but the next generation Sega stole their thunder and arguably beat them (was at least a major competitor) with Genesis.
* Sony came to the party the next generation and took first place over BOTH Nintendo and Sega.
* Sony actually kept up their PS1-era dominance through the PS2 generation, but when they were overconfident with PS3 they got put in their place by both Wii and 360 and took nearly the whole generation to catch up from a distant 3rd place
* Wii was a massive success, followed by a very disappointing start for their follow-up console
So I don't think industry history supports the mass market simply supporting the same company/brand for the next generation. No guarantee that CoD/Madden guy will just buy the new Xbox over a PS4.
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| The Live situation most certainly has NOT been that way since forever. |
Um literally the only thing that has changed in the negative since Live started was the 10 dollar per year price increase, which is easy to get around just buy buying live from Amazon instead of MS. Otherwise, they've just added shit to it, most of which is either useless or free on other systems, while not losing some of the unique functions (group chat, etc) that they have had all along. So yeah, Live is pretty much the same as it ever was. |
It's not that Live got any worse, it's that the competition caught up. Live was literally all alone when 360 launched and clearly better than Sony's efforts in the early days of the PS3. Maybe even better enough to justify paying for it over the free alternative. But Sony steadily improved to the point where for most people it's kind of a wash now, and it costs no money compared to Live costing money.
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| Do you know any gamers outside of sb? Because seriously, the Wii outsold both the more powerful systems, so if people are doing this "becoming experts" thing like you hope, they are becoming really shitty experts. |
You forget that not everyone has the same gaming 'needs'. Lots of casual gamers were happy with the Wii and would not have been happy with one of the other two.
Alternatively: stop the Wii hatin'. |
I'm with BenRen on this. Wii had very different aspects that appealed to the people who bought it. Casual/party games like Wii Sports, the first serious attempt at a primarily motion controlled system, Wii Fit, Nintendo first party software, getting caught up in the "everyone is buying one" fad. Whether Wii was more powerful or not is completely irrelevant, it had lots of unique selling points that were more compelling to a lot of buyers than raw system power. |
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Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 5:26 pm |
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| The wiiu is white! Nintendo owns white apparently and Sony and Ms are fighting over who gets to b mr black. |
My WiiU is black!
I don't know that people decide based purely on aesthetics, but there's at least some interest in color variants. My Watermelon Red N64 Funtastic series says so. And I'm still bitter they never released the Spice Orange Gamecube in the US. Rumor is that Apple will release the next iPhone in like 6 different colors.
Portables seem to love releasing new colors too. I have an emerald green PSP (from the Japanese "Carnival Colors" series where they did several colors of the PSP-3000 model), and I feel strongly that my matte red 3DS XL is superior to all other available colors. |
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:39 pm |
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Potential MS exclusive stuff that I would care about:
Crackdown (which seems like a legit possibility, since a Crackdown agility orb was shown in the "Games" tab during the presentation)
Project Gotham 5
Killer Instinct
Not enough to sell me a system, but if one just appeared in my living room and those games existed I'd probably buy them.
I am skeptical of MS's ability to make new first party IP that's actually good. Xbox had a bunch of mediocre first party published new IP too: Azurik, NightCaster, Brute Force, Blood Wake, Sudeki, Fuzion Frenzy, Amped, Quantum Redshift, Blinx, etc. We'll see if they can manage to make any good new stuff, or if it's still Halo/Forza/Fable/Kinect with a random smattering of garbage and a very rare gem (i.e. the original Crackdown). They'll have to prove themselves to me. |
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For me personally, other than the lack of games shown so far, the most unappealing aspect of the Xbone is the physical space/configuration requirements. I buy most of my stuff new and don't resell a lot of games, stuff in my house pretty much always has an internet connection, and I'm not that worried that the Kinect is spying on me. But it's so bad from a physical configuration standpoint.
First the obvious aesthetic complaint, in an era where everything gets smaller and sleeker, why is any company designing a box that looks like a 20 year old stereo receiver and takes up as much space? If they're so fixated on competing with Apple, look at how tiny and minimal the Apple TV box is (barely bigger than a deck of cards, with an HDMI out and small power adapter). Look at media center PCs getting smaller and smaller and more modern looking. Do people want a big 80s VCR-looking box in their living room today just from a visual standpoint?? I don't.
A more practical concern: even assuming everyone lives in a middle-class suburban American home and ignoring the valid complaints about "I live in a small apartment where space is at a premium" or "hi there everyone in Japan who can't get far enough away from the Kinect for it to properly function", a big clunky Kinect box just doesn't work too well with modern US living room furniture. Most people today don't put widescreen HDTVs in big tower style entertainment centers like those that were popular in the 80s-90s. Today's style is a low TV stand. You either have to put the ugly ass camera-brick below the screen (potentially blocking some of the screen, and inevitably looking like shit), or affix it to the top of a slim TV (which looks awful with the current Kinect, and should be even worse with the new one). The Wii/WiiU sensor bar is bad enough, but at least it's fairly sleek and minimal.
And now you have to sit in proper position for the Kinect too? What if I want to sit at an angle to the screen? I'm forced to always be directly in front of the screen at a distance of X to Y feet? With Kinect not being mandatory, I don't have to sit where the console tells me to sit and configure my living room furniture at the direction of the stupid box. With it being required for system operation, games can be designed to not allow me freedom of physical movement because they can correctly assume I must have a Kinect in place. I hate that.
Finally, cords everywhere connecting clunky accessories just looks like trash. The more systems the worse (Wii bar is OK on its own, gets problematic when you want to use that AND a Kinect, AND maybe a Playstation Eye camera). Wireless controllers were a blessing for this, and anyone with a bunch of systems and a spouse/parent/self concerned with a clean looking home should probably understand this concern already.
My living room actually looks pretty modern and nice, and even though there are three consoles hooked to that TV you'd never know from looking until I open a drawer, pull out a controller, and start playing (save a close eye noticing the Wii sensor bar that blends in pretty well with my TV bezel). Just let me put new consoles in my TV stand behind its tinted glass doors with smartly designed cord compartments to eliminate visible messy cords. Consoles should be played and not seen. |
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Posted: Wed May 29, 2013 6:23 pm |
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I'm not saying they can make an Apple TV sized Xbone, but if MS is trying to compare themselves to Apple (and they are), they should at least pay attention to the focus on sleek, small, compact devices.
MS seemed to care about this with the change from the original Xbox to 360 and later the slim 360, but now they're just going all out clunky. It's not just the system, but you also have to have the rather large looking new Kinect. Total antithesis of modern electronics trends where everything is getting smaller and sleeker (see also: media center PCs, Ultrabooks, DVD/Blu-ray players, stereo equipment, DVR devices, etc.). If they're trying to stick out as a unique exception they're doing it. But it seems like they're just blatantly disregarding what mainstream consumers are comfortable with today.
I get that there are ventilation and cost concerns, but man... that's one big blocky behemoth of a console (+ mandatory camera). |
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 11:22 pm |
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So, MS seems to have informed people a bit more about their licensing and required internet connection details in advance of E3.
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
| Microsoft wrote: |
| With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies. |
How generous of them to still allow you to watch TV. You totally couldn't do that by, I dunno, watching TV normally instead of through the Xbone.
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| Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once. |
A game can be transferred for free one time only? Yikes. Also possibly illegal in Europe to restrict the rights of a licensee from transferring to another party (see: Usedsoft case).
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| Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games. |
They're putting it on PUBLISHERS? And you have to use participating retailers to reset the license key? So that likely means:
1) You're likely locked into buying used games from places like Gamestop, Best Buy, or other major chains. Might be unreasonable for independent shops to sign up as "participating retailers", and this pretty much certainly locks out individuals, sales on Ebay, pawn shops, garage sales, etc.
2) Publishers could decide to not participate, either by choice or because they're not capable of handling the system (e.g. a small publisher).
And what happens if a publisher goes out of business? THQ is a pretty major example, and there are countless other small time publishers who I wouldn't trust will be around forever.
3) You're screwed if you want to buy a second hand game outside of your physical region. Even if you have a system from the appropriate region. For example, you live in the US and have a Japanese system and want to buy a second-hand Japanese game (as if there will be interesting Japan-only games on this thing), but you don't live in Japan to get the game from a "participating retailer". |
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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 1:07 am |
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| Persona mobile wrote: |
| I'd love to see some scenario where the Xbox denies someone is your family because they're not the same ethnicity as you. |
What did you think that Kinect "blush technology" they talked about is for?
What a fucking disaster this console is. As someone who appreciates observing chaos I'm strangely captivated, but yeeesh. This generation is clearly Sony's to lose.
| Winona Ghost Ryder wrote: |
| What the hell is this supposed to mean?: "any ONE of your family members can be playing at any time." |
Seems to mean you can't have multiple family members logged in on different machines playing the same game at the same time. Maybe you can buy multiple licenses of a specific game though... |
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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:02 am |
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Also holy shit what horrible timing to be launching a console with Kinect privacy concerns right alongside the bombshell news that the US government has been collecting data from tech companies (including Microsoft) about their customers. Including EVERY call made on Verizon's network in the US.
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| The National Security Agency and the FBI are tapping directly into the central servers of nine leading U.S. Internet companies, extracting audio and video chats, photographs, e-mails, documents, and connection logs that enable analysts to track one target or trace a whole network of associates, according to a top-secret document obtained by The Washington Post. |
I thought the Kinect spying fear was overblown nonsense before. But in connection with this? Makes me pretty damn uncomfortable to have a required always on super-camera in my living room that can sense my pulse rate. And how is this not going to freak out everyone in data privacy obsessed Europe? |
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