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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:28 am |
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I think you're supposed to call it "The X-Box," which is what a lot of people call the 360.
I interpreted the name as acknowledging that there is so little regard for the original X-Box that a lot of people use the phrase "X-Box" in reference to the 360. Moving forward, Microsoft wants to push the new X-Box as an all encompassing entertainment unit as well a flagholder for the brand. They don't want you to focus on the One as a new console so much as the next iteration of a brand identity. So the idea is that all 360's should be old and discarded like an out of date computer--not fetishized like the NES or Genesis. The user base is supposed to migrate to the next iteration. The most recent X-Box is the "The X-Box," and the old one is just garbage.
The naming of the X-Box iterations has actually been really interesting.
X-Box: "This also-ran is a box that plays games. Ascribe whatever you want to this variable. We don't know what we are yet."
X-Box 360: "Whoops! Let's start over. Hello: my name's X-Box. I can play games like Halo and Call of Duty."
X-Box One: "I am the only X-Box. Forget all my past selves. I am everything. TV, movies, video games: I am your media." _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:40 am |
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| thatbox wrote: |
After she wrote these two sentences:
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| I've got friends who love immersive worlds and epic battles, sure. They have thousands of dollars in student debt and tiny, impermanent living spaces; their generation isn't exactly about to broadly become the next generation of home owners. We play games on consoles and we watch shows on television and we Skype and Tweet from laptops, netbooks, iPads, PCs. |
she should have realized that she was chasing her own tail and started on a different piece. |
Parents just don't understand
Talkin 'bout my generation _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:40 am |
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| Talbain wrote: |
| Though maybe it could be the X1. Or something. The internet will invent its own strange shorthand I'm sure. |
Oh yeah: I bet people will definitely call it the X1, too. Good call. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:49 am |
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Hm. Did anybody talk about the messaging inherent in the color choice?
I was thinking the other day about how the PS4's chrome black did it no favors.
After the PS2, people wanted something fun and/or new. A new generation of kids and their parents gravitated toward the Wii. The 360 felt like the antidote to Sony's presumptuous dynasty, which arrogantly offered no incentive to buy.
Not saying the color and texture differences were a determining factor for early adopters. But as the narratives of each company were being written by which games were released and the dilapidation of the Japanese game industry, PS4 looked all the more like Darth Vader, as the 360 started to evoke Luke Skywalker.
The 360 seemed friendly and inviting and casual, whereas the PS4 seemed faux mature and oddly assured of it's own dominance and control.
The new X-Box reminds me more of the PS4. Could be that they're trying to look more like an entertainment unit that can blend in below the TV like other electronics (ala the PS2), which I see as a contrast to the sore-thumb white of the 360, which seemed to suggest itself as a user-friendly, discrete experience ala Apple branding. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:11 pm |
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Huh. This is definitely the most excited about E3 that I've been since the last big Consolegeddon.
Only this time instead of wondering which console I'll buy, I'm wondering if I'll ever buy one at all.
I don't have any reason to buy a console I can only buy used games for. I've only ever bought a new game if it was discounted to, like, $15. Otherwise, nearly every game I've ever bought in my entire life has been used.
Obviously, if Xbone (or the PS4) stays this draconian, it will be hacked to shreds. But that's going to take a year or two and probably instigate some sort of ongoing war with Microsoft, which will require constant updates to the work around.
The whole point of gaming consoles is to be easier to use and more consumer friendly than PC gaming, at least superficially. If both consoles end up as complicated and anti-consumer as the most draconian PC games, why bother with either of them? Kinda gross and sad that anyone would pay, like, $500 to play Halo or Gears of War. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 5:40 pm |
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Not that either Microsoft or Sony really care about me as a consumer, right?
I mean, look: console developers don't make money on selling consoles. They usually sell them at cost or at a slight deficit. Retail stores also sell them at cost. As I understand it (and definitely correct me if I'm wrong or oversimplifying), console developers make their money from the licensing fees that games pay to be on their systems, maybe some cut of each unit sold, and then whatever profits come from first party games (which are only really created to give the game box a relative value to other game boxes, thus ensuring a steady stream of licensing fees).
Game developers, in turn only make money from selling games and game related products (downloadables). They don't make any money from used games (unless people who buy used then buy downloadables).
So, I mean, if every single gamer like me (someone who literally only buys used or extremely discounted games) were to--y'know--stop buying games, no developer would notice or care. It doesn't effect them in any way.
Similarly, if I don't buy a game console, in terms of actual revenue, it doesn't effect either Sony or Microsoft in any way.
The consumers that Microsoft and Sony care about and serve are rich or financially stable people--rich geeks and middle-to-rich families. These are the groups that buy things new, that buy stupid peripherals, that buy downloadable content, etc. These are the people that employ the AAA video game industry.
So the only issue with draconian DRM policies, then, is that rich geeks and families sometimes buy used games too. So, they might decide to go with the console that provides used games. But even if Microsoft loses these people (and becomes second to Sony), this isn't such a losing proposition. After all, developers will still have a good reason to license games with Microsoft. For the most part, they don't have to worry about losing revenue to the second hand games market. Even if more people own PS4's, the XBone version of a game could prove more profitable, simply because everyone who buys it will have to buy it first-hand.
And let's not forget that rich geeks and families are the demographics that really will buy an XBone, just because they gotta have Halo. So consumer ignorance/apathy could carry the day, anyway.
So really, as I see it, the only reason for these giant companies to not go DRM-crazy is the fear of alienating consumers (and more consumer-friendly developers) so thoroughly that their brand is irreparably tarnished to the point that consumers and developers just sort of give up on them. I don't see that happening in a single generation. Though I think if this sort of unchecked greed continued for two generations the entire console market would collapse and fold into PC gaming. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:41 pm |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| I really think people overestimate, due largely to the internet echo chamber, how much the average consumer cares about MS's DRM stuff. Not saying they should or shouldn't care, just that they don't. |
Yeah, the thing I left out of my post a few pages back is that the "select retailers" or whatever, who will be allowed to sell used games will, of course, be GameStop. And maybe GameFly will be allowed to keep existing.
For the average gamer, this probably isn't so bad. A lot of people buy used games almost exclusively from GameStop, anyway.
Actually, MS would have probably caught a lot less heat if they just announced "a historic partnership" with GameStop when they announced their DRM policy. Honestly, even when the outraged "average gamer" realizes that they can buy used from GS, the consumer outrage will probably die down a little (sadly).
Thing is, PS4 is still cheaper, so.... _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:44 pm |
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I listened to a few game journalist podcasts the other day, and one of the narratives that was thrown out is that publishers have been lobbying both MS and Sony to go DRM crazy for the last ten years, basically saying they would support the console with the most stringent DRM. I can especially imagine American companies that publish on PC doing this.
If this is the case, I wonder if we should consider MS to be a naive patsy or, alternatively, maybe--again--consumer outrage won't matter and developers really will be more keen to work with a second place console with more draconian DRM. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:13 pm |
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| people have actually sat down on their chair, went to a gaming website, searched for the xbox one, clicked the pre-order button, paid $500, and are actually waiting for it |
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Yeah, I dunno. That just sounds like pure rumor to me. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:20 pm |
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Another good point from a podcast:
People aren't necessarily up in arms about DRM because they can't BUY used games. They're also upset that they can't SELL used games (at least: not on their own terms). In the end, if GameStop is a "select retailer," as I'm assuming, this won't have much of an effect on the gamer who buys a game for $60, beats it, and sells it to GS for $20. But it does wrest people like us (me) from the comfortable notion that the games we buy have an intrinsic value.
I mean, I guess in the back of my head, I'm comforted that a lot of the games I buy have an aftermarket value. I often buy them for discounted prices and see their values rise as they gain the perception of rarity.
Things is, I've never actually sold a game. But in some primitive, hoarding, cave man way, I like that my shiny rocks are worthful, rather than worthless. I don't like thinking of games as bought experiences. I've always thought of them as objects.
So MS is trying to revolutionize the way people (especially game enthusiasts) PERCIEVE REALITY. They are doing this by slapping ice cream cones out of our hands. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:46 pm |
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| http://www.armytimes.com/article/20130614/OFFDUTY02/306140030/New-Xbox-sin-against-all-service-members- wrote: |
Not to fear, says Xbox exec Don Mattrick, president of the Microsoft’s Interactive Entertainment division. The company has a solution for those in the military: Just use the old Xbox 360 instead.
“Fortunately we have a product for people who aren’t able to get some form of connectivity, it’s called Xbox 360. If you have zero access to the Internet, that is an offline device,” Mattrick told Game Trailer at E3 in an interview posted online.
He says he feels your pain, though.
“When I read the blogs and thought about who’s really the most impacted, there was a person who said, “Hey, I’m on a nuclear sub.’ I don’t even know what it means to be on a nuclear sub, but I’ve got to imagine that it’s not easy to get an Internet connection. Hey, I can empathize. If I was on a sub, I’d be disappointed.” |
Hahaha. Wow. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:52 pm |
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| Fortunately there is a product for people who aren’t able to get some form of connectivity. It's called the PS4. |
Fixed. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:38 am |
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We're kind of ignoring RobotRocker's point that it's fairly likely that both the PS4 and the XBone are going to end up letting publishers decide if they implement DRM ("letting publishers decide"--as if they could do it on their own!).
So--y'know--in a year the two might not really be functionally different.
Heck, in a year XBone might have a SKU that comes without the Kinect for $350 or something (unlikely, but plausible).
Never say never, basically.
I mean, for me, none of this really matters. I haven't really checked out any of the games that are being discussed. It'll be at least three years before I buy one of these things, if I buy one, and it'll only happen if, like, Last Guardian comes out or something.
But, so, y'know: if I do get one, it'll be pretty easy to make an informed decision by then.
Though--yeah--even with DRM aside, the PS4 seems to be the better offering:
>No "always on" requirement
>Lets indies self-publish
>Probably going to be the default home for querky Japanese games
Wait.... Does the XBone play Blurays? Just curious. I feel like that's still a perk for families who rent physical movies from Netflix or maybe home theater nerds. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:12 am |
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Wait, so in Japan is basically just, like, PS4 vs. Wii U?
So they're, like, practically living the one console future at this point, huh? _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:32 am |
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I mean. I guess the Xbone has better exclusives?
Kinda miss them playing the heel, though.
The Kinect will endear them to families, I think, especially now that the DRM between the two is the same.
Nobody will really care about this in a year, but yeah: Now Sony can coast on good will for a bit. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:35 am |
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It makes me very very annoyed that the actual data to Skull Girls, Fez, Braid, and Scott Pilgrim are on my 360's HDD, but when I got a new 360 I had to log in online to unlock them.
At this point, I will definitely think twice about downloading a game on a console, when it can be downloaded to my PC and (in most cases) I'll actually know whether I own it or not.
Starting to wonder if I'll be among the first of a generation of lapsed gamers who say, "Yeah, I lost touch with that stuff when it got all complicated with DRM and licenses and stuff. In my day, if you bought a game you owned it."
Christ. Imagine if Squenix could revoke your ability to play all the Squaresoft JRPG's you bought for the SNES so they could resell them to you.
I mean, that's basically what Sony was trying to do by blocking the existing backwards compatibility on PS3 units. They had started selling PS1 and PS2 games for download, and--y'know--fuck consumers.
Shameful. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:39 am |
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On the bright side: when you pirate a DRM-laden game there are no victims! _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:16 am |
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It makes me very very annoyed that the actual data to Skull Girls, Fez, Braid, and Scott Pilgrim are on my 360's HDD, but when I got a new 360 I had to log in online to unlock them.
At this point, I will definitely think twice about downloading a game on a console, when it can be downloaded to my PC and (in most cases) I'll actually know whether I own it or not. |
You can reset your licenses on the Xbox website and redownload them to your new console so you don't have to login. You can do this once every 6 months or a year or so. It is still a bit annoying since you'll have to go through your download list and "redownload" all the games again, but it won't need download the full game, just the license, only a few KB. |
Yeah, I know. It is profoundly stupid to "redownload" (aka: download the licenses) for games I paid money for. I own the actual, physical data of the game, but by buying it through my 360 I unwittingly gave them license to restrict me from the games I downloaded. That's a problem for me. What if I want to play MegaMan 9 15 years from now, and I have to dredge up a new 360? Is there still going to be infrastructure in place for me to redownload these licenses?
Can I even play these games on a friend's console, or do I have to lug my 360 to their house? What if I need to replace a 360 twice in a year?
I don't even get what they're protecting. I already downloaded the games to their proprietary HDD, and they presumably only work on 360's. How the fuck am I supposedly going to pirate them by plugging my HDD into another console? _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2013 4:17 am |
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TXT, is there a joke to your avatar? Is it the weird shading around her eyes? _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2013 4:49 am |
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| Since when are video games (not consoles, games) a loss leader? For what? |
Mountain Dew? |
Man, whenever you guys talk about Mountain Dew, all I can think of is
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 6:31 am |
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For people who are worried about being spied on by a Kinect:
Can't you, just like, put tape over the lens and the mics?
Or is it able to see through things somehow?
Do you think it could see through a meat sheild?
Like, if you encased it in raw meat?
Takashi, what would be the best material for making sure the Halo 6 team isn't watching me bone? _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:35 pm |
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re NSA:
I just love how everyone assumes that everbody is using facebook or twitter and always brings up the same thing - "why complaining about the NSA, kinect2.0 etc. etc. if you are using fb and twitter to tell the whole world what you are doing?" Well, some people actually do not use fb and twitter, who'd have thought! And some people just want to play a game, not watch a nike or red bull ad pestering you in the lower right corner - woah, breaking news material here. |
Hm. You should probably also stop using Google, then too. _________________ "Godzilla could be anyone."
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