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Talbain
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 Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:26 pm |
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So I started watching this, but then I decided that I'm going to make judgments about this thing based on the comments here.
So Felix, how much asphyxiation are we talking here?
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Talbain
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 5:30 pm |
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| Felix wrote: |
| I just absentmindedly put some porn on in my other monitor while watching this |
They're about equivalent in production quality I expect.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:32 pm |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| hey at least we got to see it. YOUR MOVE SONY or something. |
I didn't see it. Was it boring? I bet it was boring.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 6:40 pm |
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It looks like a DVD player. Guess that's intentional?
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Talbain
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 7:52 pm |
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Well, much as I would like to be concerned about this, chances of me actually buying a new console are slim regardless. Can't muster the cash, much less the time and ability to care about a lot of this stuff. I suppose if the 3DS gets jailbroken I will buy one of those.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Tue May 21, 2013 8:27 pm |
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Still waiting for someone to dump Senko no Ronde DUO for the X2...
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Talbain
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:27 am |
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Gamespress has dubbed it as such for its releases with regards to the system.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Wed May 22, 2013 3:31 am |
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Though maybe it could be the X1. Or something. The internet will invent its own strange shorthand I'm sure.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:11 am |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
| Collared GUI |
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Talbain
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 6:39 pm |
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Mike Booty actually confirms that you'll be buying the game for full price in the interview with Adam Sessler.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Thu May 23, 2013 11:20 pm |
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| a pair of gators wrote: |
| something that just occurred to me re: the always online thing. what happens to all these games 10 yrs from now? emulation aside, will they even work on their consoles? will the console even work? |
Yeah... bout that...
I think it mostly depends on what encryption methodologies they're using. If it's something hard or complex, the games will simply be gone or unusable ten years from now (you'll have some interesting coasters I guess). Or, if these systems really tank, they'll just be gone forever (due to not having enough to time to actually analyze how the encryption methodologies work). Maybe if it's something in the system which does verification, it might be less worrisome since simply removing that piece or code requirement might work (I kinda doubt this is how it works though--the days of Super Nintendo tabs are gone).
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Talbain
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 10:40 am |
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My money's on a new Banjo game, given that I've seen rumblings from press sites with regards to it.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 9:13 pm |
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| Adilegian wrote: |
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| GRATIFICATION IS A THING |
I'm still reading this thread but if no one has capitalized on this pairing, good god |
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 12:09 pm |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| Tulpa wrote: |
| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| Toups wrote: |
| when was the last time you've seen a retailer stock used PC games?? |
when was the last time you bought a pc game without any form of DRM on it (note: steam totally counts as DRM)? just because the PC community accepted these kinds of practices long ago doesn't make them any better. |
almost every single humble bundle included drm-free copies of the games in addition to steam keys. so uh. Last week. |
fair enough. but SB's favorite game Dark Souls has 2 forms of annoying DRM on them (one being MS, even). On the PC side, DRM like this is pretty much standard on non-indie games. |
Both of these forms of DRM already have workarounds.
See, my thing about PC as being the gold standard for preservation is simply its time existing as a platform as well as its commonality. 360 Games will never work on a PC unless a proficient emulator comes into existence for the system. This seems unlikely and may take decades. Each emulated system is taking orders of magnitude longer to emulate, and even the current emulators (such as PCSX2) are not system accurate. As a result of all the shortcuts they take, they cannot be seen or presented as representative of real hardware. This hasn't even occurred for most emulators, old Nintendo and Sega platforms notwithstanding (though there are still no system-accurate Dreamcast or Saturn emulators... and there may never be).
I hate consoles in general because they come with way too much shit with regards to all the problems of preserving their software. Anyone can preserve the discs and the X-Box 360, but hardware will break down (or eventually end up in museums in glass cases, where we all simply look on at these things we once had). Without emulated hardware created to then house that game software virtually, you end up with over a decade of time lost, excepting those games which came out on PC. PS3 and Sony aren't really any better than Microsoft in this regard.
Videogames as they exist right now are hilariously one of the most lossy mediums in existence (despite now being one of the easiest to preserve) and it's all because publishers and developers, the people you would think would be most concerned about their content, give preservation and long-term use little or no thought at all.
http://www.digitalhumanities.org/dhq/vol/6/2/000129/000129.html
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:21 pm |
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| Loki Laufeyson wrote: |
| didn't some pirate in eastern europe recently port a 360 game to pc? i'm sure i read something like that |
Haven't heard of this, but it would be intriguing if true.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:18 pm |
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http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/06/05/the-dishwasher-vampire-smile-comes-to-pc-via-hackers-pirate-port/
Interesting indeed... wonder if this is possible for more games/how much time it took to make this work. Though the hacker certainly sounds self-righteous.
I'm not going to hate on developers or publishers to consoles, they aren't the ones who force the games into those corners. Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo are really the ones who need to be taking responsibility for the problems associated with consoles and forced obsolescence.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:06 pm |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
| Talbain wrote: |
| I hate consoles in general because they come with way too much shit with regards to all the problems of preserving their software. Anyone can preserve the discs and the X-Box 360, but hardware will break down (or eventually end up in museums in glass cases, where we all simply look on at these things we once had). Without emulated hardware created to then house that game software virtually, you end up with over a decade of time lost, excepting those games which came out on PC. PS3 and Sony aren't really any better than Microsoft in this regard. |
The situtation on the computer isn't perfect. Not every game works on modern hardware, not even with compatibility layers. PC emulation is even worse with the millions of possible hardware and software configurations out there. |
I never said it was. There are huge problems on PC too, but they're far less pronounced than on consoles.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:22 pm |
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| This Machine Kills Fascis wrote: |
| So really, as I see it, the only reason for these giant companies to not go DRM-crazy is the fear of alienating consumers (and more consumer-friendly developers) so thoroughly that their brand is irreparably tarnished to the point that consumers and developers just sort of give up on them. I don't see that happening in a single generation. Though I think if this sort of unchecked greed continued for two generations the entire console market would collapse and fold into PC gaming. |
As I see it, economic crashes tend to happen quickly and disproportionately. Assuming there is indeed a crash, it would likely happen in one generation, probably over the span of less than a year. Generational shifts are also the time of greatest instability, where companies can see major losses or major gains. Nintendo went from being king of the mountain in hardware sales to being just another console manufacturer real quickly with the WiiU and 3DS.
If it happens over two generations, it would simply be a decline and perhaps an eventual recession for the market. Though I agree that this would create a more likely scenario for something like the folding of two markets into one. This would likely occur in order to cut losses.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:08 pm |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
| Talbain wrote: |
| I never said it was. There are huge problems on PC too, but they're far less pronounced than on consoles. |
Then you shouldn't hold the PC to a "golden standard". :) |
They are the gold standard given that PC provides the most possibilities of the current options available. The PC also still has the opportunity to fix its problems, consoles can't really do that unless they are just PC boxes, due to problems with specialized and proprietary hardware.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 1:07 am |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
| But it's exactly because consoles aren't just PC boxes that they're (relatively) easy to emulate with a good degree of fidelity. The hardware is completely standardised. Important PC hardware like graphics cards is proprietary as well, so becoming PC boxes won't help as much as you'd like to think. |
I'll agree and point to Takashi's post as addenda. I suppose when I say PC boxes I mean that the disc you buy could be popped into your PC or your "game box" of choice.
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| Why do consoles need to become PC boxes, anyway? Like you said, they aren't perfect. Why can't they become something even better to solve the problems? |
How often, as hardware and software continues to pile up, has software gotten better? In my estimation, software is more bloated today than it has ever been in the past. At this point it's likely impossible to create something markedly better than what we already have. We can certainly create something different, but different comes with a high degree of specificity attached. We can create an operating system that's very good and efficient at handling certain tasks, but creating an operating system that's good at handling any task is nigh impossible, and as I said, is unlikely to get markedly better as time goes on. Maybe in the future if adaptive design engineering or AI comes into existence, this will change, but for now, it's likely that the operating systems we have will be the operating systems we'll have in the future. Given the move towards designing for dumbphones, it's likely we'll more of that seep into computers, misunderstanding the purposes of separation of interfaces in the process.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:20 am |
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Talbain
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| Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:32 pm |
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So apparently not only are XBone games region-locked, they're also apparently only usable in the specific region they originate from. Also, apparently a lot of countries can't play XBone games at all, for at least a year. For some reason doesn't include Poland, where The Witcher 3 Devs are from... irony.
Countries
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Italy
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
United States
Xbox One games are for activation and distribution only in specified geographic regions. See game package and/or retailer product information, for each game’s specific geographic regions.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one/pre-order-xbox-one/disclaimer
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 3:17 am |
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| remote wrote: |
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| if I had to be honest about the whole thing, the Wii U has the most appealing slate of upcoming exclusives and most everything else is coming to PC, so |
yup |
Yeah, this is pretty much how I feel.
zane, I really, really want to play Below, but as long as it's an XBone exclusive, I won't be playing it. Which is frustrating, but those are the breaks.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:32 am |
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| The King wrote: |
Say, isn't this generation kind of missing a sales pitch?
Current gen was 'THE FUTURE IS HD!!!'
What is this upcoming generation supposedly changing (for the better)? |
Cloud services. Not kidding.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:29 pm |
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I still feel that the problem with DRM is basically a question of ownership rights which should be different for company and consumer. I think being tied down to physical objects as the primary method of determining ownership has put a rather problematic stress on videogame companies to prove software ownership, when they really shouldn't have to (my own personal thoughts on this are that the onus of ownership should be on the reproducibility of the process, rather than the product).
That said, even though that's ostensibly what the controversy's about, ownership, the probable reality is that DRM is all about trying to stop piracy, which it has thus far failed spectacularly at. It's actually caused an enormous backlash, and has really just made the companies' positions that much worse.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:51 am |
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| CONSUME_PRODUCTS wrote: |
you should prob do some reading re: samsung
(massively corrupt, p much the s.k mafia) |
Yeah, they have a virtual monopoly on the electronics industry in S.K. It's pretty shitty for small businesses. S.K. in general probably needs some aggressive anti-trust legislation, though I don't really expect that to happen.
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