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DJ
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 Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:28 am |
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My god I have impressively shitty impulse control.
Edit: Wow, really tired of my posts getting stealth deleted. There was a large one above this one that's gone now. That's intensely aggravating; if it's someone's goal to get me to just give up bothering, it's working.
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DJ
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| Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 7:37 am |
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Hey looky what I brought home from work.
So, Killzone's actually not horrible, at least not so far. Way less boxes-and-corridor shooting gallery than I was being led to believe. If anything it's like...Crysis, kinda?
I downloaded Contrast and Resogun, will try them tomorrow.
I took some other shots of the screen doing stuff but honestly it's all UI stuff that's all over the internet and/or I'm too lazy to upload them right now.
System's pretty robust. I'm digging the light bar on the console. Not so much on the controller. Figured the controller light would be annoying because it reflects off my TV and, well, it is. It also has a weirdly large amount of color gradient in it and acts as a health indicator in Killzone, so I could see how hurt I was by seeing the reflection of my controller's giant-ass LED light in my TV. While not exactly a great way to convey info to me, it's at least kind of novel?
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DJ
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| Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:52 pm |
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention: I almost jumped out of my flesh the first time I picked up an audio log in Killzone because -- surprise! -- it immediately begins playing through the speaker on the control and OH HEY THERE'S A SPEAKER ON THE CONTROLLER. A pretty goddamn loud one, too.
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DJ
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| Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:55 pm |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
| Now if only they could figure out a way not to have audio logs. |
Yeah that was my second thought.
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DJ
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| Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 6:57 pm |
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Also I may see about streaming some Resogun later if people want to see that maybe?
I have no idea how to actually go about this and have never done but I figure I might as well take a token stab at using that feature rather than just screaming at the kids to get off my lawn.
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DJ
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:03 am |
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Yeah I'm a bit amazed Brazil managed to tax/fee the console to four times its retail price in the US and that Sony just went with it instead of setting the price to Brazil to be at-cost just so they could get an install base over there (although for all I know that IS the price at-cost to Sony).
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DJ
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:58 pm |
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Kinda debating streaming some Resogun or Killzone when I get home from work if anyone wants to check it out. Watch me be terrible at FPS games using a controller because I've long since forgotten how!
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DJ
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| Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:44 pm |
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Yeah definitely play Killzone on Hard. It's not "you're dead in half a second if you so much as stick a toe out of cover" difficult like the Call of Duty games are when you set them to Veteran*, but you can still get cut down very quickly if you blindly rush ahead or get broadsided by enemy fire coming from an unexpected location before you have time to react. It actually works in the game's favor by making you carefully survey the landscape, use the Radar frequently, and set ambushes rather than go in like a kamikaze bullet sponge.
Anyway, here is my twitch channel. I'm gonna go to the store first and buy some food/coffee, but then I'll get right on streaming my embarrassingly bad console FPS skills.
EDIT: Actually, by "go to the store" I apparently meant "create new SB icons for Twitch and Steam and stick them below my sig banner" because that's what I did. Actually going to the store now though.
*Not that that stopped me from doing it anyway but it I really hate that type of game design. It's not fun, it's just annoying.
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DJ
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:15 am |
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So the stream's over for now, played for a few hours. Works...Weirdly well, actually?
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DJ
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| Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:24 am |
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Honestly the more I use this thing the more it seems like a future box in a good way. I still think PC is vastly superior as an all-round gaming machine because that's kind of indisputable, but PS4 is shaping up to be a hell of a wingman with a few interesting tricks of its own. I think that's the important part, actually. I never bothered to replace my 360 because it just seemed like a dumber PC, whereas the PS4 feels like its own thing that's distinct.
Part (possibly all) of this is probably just the whole "Oooh new shiny thing!" feeling though. We'll see.
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DJ
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| Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:17 am |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
| DJ wrote: |
| I still think PC is vastly superior as an all-round gaming machine because that's kind of indisputable |
It's not. Stop trolling. |
It is for those of us with modern systems, Benny-san. But, yes, if you're running on hardware that struggles to run OSes over a decade old without a lot of massaging then that statement isn't really true. Don't let me piss in your Cheerios though, I'm sure the Wii is the best thing ever for people who adhere to certain lifestyle choices.
(btw Xenoblade Chronicles in 1080p runs great on my PC)
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DJ
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| Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:38 am |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
| I have no problem with your preference. My beef is DJ trolling by passing off his controversial opinion as fact (and then making an ass out of himself by attacking my personal situation). |
Aww, okay. Your "beef" is acknowledged: I'll switch it to "PC is indisputably the best for me personally but not BenRen who prefers the Wii, even taking emulation into account!" so nobody gets confused.
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| PS4 does have HDCP but Sony said they are going to patch it out after people complained. |
Apparently they're patching MP3 and MP4 playback back in as well. And yeah, Sony's been weirdly upfront about "Okay we'll do this" when asked about stuff.
Also re: Xbone, Ars Technica and Kotaku both gave it pretty "meh" reviews, citing that Kinect doesn't work all that great, it assumes a pretty specific living room setup for TV/SPORTS to work correctly, and the games are pretty lackluster unless you've got Dead Rising 3.
Other places are being a little more generous, but it's floating at 8s and 7s.
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DJ
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| Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:51 am |
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| GrimmSweeper wrote: |
| It's more "lol BenRen" than anything, really. |
Yeah pretty much. For the record though: BenRen, I own a modded Wii and have for a while. In fact the only Nintendo console I don't own is a Wii U.
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Note that I was always adamant about how you can switch on a console, pop in a disc/cart and have a go at it, and several friends of mine love to make it a point how nowadays you basically can do that on the PC, with better res, same pad, less loading times, cracked no online-bs or system updates, sooo~~~ooo. |
Pretty much, just without the disc, which as someone who's had his entire game library stolen before, is something I am 100% OK with. Nobody can steal my Steam account. Worst case scenario is someone gets access to it and locks me out, in which case all I have to do to have access to it restored is to make a phone call.
Meanwhile I've got a box I can pipe games to my TV on just like a console. It plays a high percentage of modern games just like either given next-or-current-gen console. It uses any controller I want to plug into it with a USB connection or an adapter that costs like 5 bucks for classic ones. And, it has backwards compatibility all the way back to 1985 or so (admittedly with some fiddling), can emulate any console from the Wii/PS2 on back to the Atari 2600 except with better resolution (if I want), can play practically every arcade game in existence, and you can watch porn on it for free.
PS4's nice too though.
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DJ
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| Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:02 am |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
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| honestly, I feel like it's the sort of thing you have to enjoy rather than tolerate -- obviously, I'm at the far end of that camp (despite, or because of, almost always having solidly mid-end hardware), and I'm well aware of it. |
oh yeah, definitely, and as someone who has played PC games for most of my life, i can fluctuate on how much i enjoy it. i mostly just bring it up to point out how much the PC gamers tend to underestimate the average person's distaste for it. |
I'm gonna stick to my point of "it doesn't require much fiddling" and will counter that the "but I hate messing with stuff in PCs it's too draining and frustrating" doesn't really have much to do with modern-day PC gaming and honestly hasn't for about 5 years now if not more.
I said some in order to run really old games. It's possible to do, was my point. You put an Xbox Fat game in an Xbone and it's going to cough up an error message and that's that; with a PC, if you want, you can run extremely old games quite well. This isn't an option on non-hacked consoles, and at that point we're talking about hacking a console. Even softmodding a Wii is more tech-intensive than messing with settings in any given modern game by quite a bit.
But for the sake of argument let's assume you don't particularly give a shit about getting that original Magic Carpet 2 CD running on a Windows 8 machine and really just want to stick with modern games. At this point fiddling goes down to pretty much zero, especially if you have an nVidia card which has software which will straight up read your system's specs and adjust the settings for you automatically based on what it sees. We're talking all the difficulty of Click on game in Steam and hit Play. At worst, you might have to change the resolution to whatever your monitor is once in a while; if you've ever managed to put a hyperlink into some text on a forum post, congratulations you've performed a more technically intensive task than that.
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DJ
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| Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 7:47 am |
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| username wrote: |
| I can't build shit, I had to go to my sister's friend to even know what sort of benchmark to aim for and had to go the HP route (no clue if they are good or not, that was where he found the best price-per-performance machine) which cost markedly more than any console I've ever paid for. Beyond the money (I was doing well enough at the time so it wasn't a huge problem) it was rather stressful to figure out all this stuff that, again, I didn't even have to bother to build myself. Once you figure it out, know all the manufacturers and items and this and that it probably is a better deal, but if you don't and have an alternative that you just plug in and costs markedly less than the pre-built competition one would have to be kooky to not go that route. |
While I do agree totally (and as someone who builds PCs on the regular, the plug and play aspect of the PS4 was/is indeed kinda nice), I'm nonetheless going to make the probably-makes-me-sound-like-an-asshole-but-is-nonetheless-true statement that, thanks to Google, you can know exactly how to build a PC in about 10 minutes, tops. There are (a lot of) step-by-step graphical guides on exactly how to do this, not to mention guides on what to buy, what's decent right now, etc. etc. There's actually online sheets where you can say "I want to play games from this year and back at Medium-High settings and want to spend this much: Go" and it will virtually build the damn thing for you and dole out links to Newegg.
As for actually constructing it from the parts: It's ultimately just expensive lego for adults. If it looks like it fits there, it fits there. Worst thing you're looking at is some screws and a lot of plugs, which, while sort of nerve wracking and definitely kinda time consuming, isn't the sort of thing I'd pay $500 to NOT have to do, you know? Especially when there's very nice annotated graphical guides on the internet.
If you've ever baked a reasonably complicated dinner for a small party of people, or changed a flat tire on your car, or hooked up a home theater, you've done something that requires more manual dexterity and instruction following than building a PC does.
In terms of at least someone backing this up: I talked an ex-girlfriend through the PC building process entirely over GTalk with no picture support; she'd never seen the inside of a PC before that evening. It successfully booted up on the first attempt and she uses it to this day. I walked another co-worker through it using Skype on his Vita. Another co-worker just built his own after having the process described to him and consulting a google list. Yet another co-worker just took a crack at it and it worked fine.
We've had like 7 console-to-PC converts in the past 6 months because after one guy tried it and reported back that it was actually pretty easy, more of them have jumped on the bandwagon.
But, and this is a pretty big but in terms of getting market saturation, you're right. No matter how easy it actually is, it's still not as easy as "plug in magic box, press power", and to a lot of people the only two readings on the meter when it comes to their entertainment are Requires Virtually No Effort™, or This Is Way Too Complicated To Bother With Because Only Crazy Techie People Can Ever Understand This Impossible Electrical Engineering Nightmare™. The reality of it is a lot closer to the former than the latter, but for a lot of people it's an either/or proposition and that's it.
It's not even like a small percentage of people who are like that, either. In fact it's handily most. I don't know if it's a sign that I'm getting older or just that the bar for simplicity is getting lower, but a lot of them are around my age, which is pretty disconcerting when you're the kind of person who uses their ability to figure out new, supposedly-complicated things as a bellwether to see how pliant you are in an effort to not become like your incredibly technophobic and generally new-thing-resistant family you grew up with -- which is probably resulted in my having something of a complex about this sort of thing, so who knows, maybe that's the root of a lot of my attachment to PC right there. It's true enough that a thought that drifted through my head back when I decided to make the switch was: I'll be god damned if I'm going to look at a bit of electronics that really quite a lot of people are entirely capable of comprehending at least the basic functions of and go NOPE TOO HARD.
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DJ
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| Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 8:52 am |
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| Wall of Beef wrote: |
| So the PS4 is wobbly like an uneven table? |
Mine doesn't wobble at all, for what it's worth. I tried.
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