[This Machine Kills Fascis]

From the Bubsy thread:

[This Machine Kills Fascis]

For me, Ghost in the Shell for the PSX comes to mind. It's not like it's a bizarre train wreck of a game. It's actually really well put together--one of my favorite games. But it's interesting, because it takes advantage of 3-D space as a novelty.

There are two things that make Ghost in the Shell interesting:

1) You can walk on walls. You just walk up to them and suddenly your own them. No limits. You're a spider.

This is especially cool in the second level. It's a sewer, so you can boost in spirals through tunnels, and you quickly loose sense of "up" vs. "down." There's something very immersive about discarding your concept of gravity and feeling totally okay with that.

2) The controls. D-pad to walk. Right shoulder to boost right. Left shoulder to boost left. Hold them together and you boost forward. Use the D-pad while boosting forward to tweak and strafe. Simple, but unique. You end up having a lot of precision--boosting toward an enemy and suddenly strafing to either side at the drop of a dime. And it feels especially cool, combined with the fact that you can traverse walls without any discontinuity of motion. You can boost left, up a wall and onto the ceiling and drop onto an enemy if you want. This makes the outdoor time trial level really fun. You're boosting all over the place, vaulting off of stuff and falling where you need to. It's a control scheme that's perfect for the game, because it was designed for it. The genre didn't have default controls yet.



So yeah: that's mine. What games come to mind for you guys?
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"Godzilla could be anyone."

[shrugtheironteacup]

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[This Machine Kills Fascis]

Cuba is gonna be furious that you beat him to Descent.

Oh man: pole arm vs. knife

I know the odds, but considering the players....
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"Godzilla could be anyone."

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

Dreams (to Reality)
Jumping Flash (and I guess Geograph Seal)
Die by the Sword?
Bug
Tenchu? More in the stage design than the controls, I guess
Descent series
Fade to Black
Ultima Underworld I/II
Vortex (the SNES game)
Gabriel Knight 3? Or maybe King's Quest 8.
Most first-person robot games before Mechwarrior 3 or so, I guess?
Heretic II?

[wourme]

I used to like to play with Superscape, a freeware thing from 1991. It's not really a game, but I think it fits this thread well.

https://archive.org/details/SuperscapeInteractiveDemonstration

[This Machine Kills Fascis]

Robo Arena Fighters

One of my favorite unsung subgenres. Though obviously Virtual-On is the go-to here, I'd rather call attention to the arena modes in Xenogears and Armored Core for one reason: vast, open spaces. I thought it was so cool that both games had maps that seemed to stretch on forever. One of my dream game ideas is basically an Armored Core game with controls as smooth and arcadey as Virtual-On in which you wonder through a vast, open world of forests and deserts, looking for other robots to kill.


Xenogears Arena





Armored Core: Project Phantasma (Arena Mode)



(Couldn't find video of one of the larger, open-air maps)


Virutal-On



Honorable Mention:

Custom Robo


Associated Games:

Ergheiz

That Wu-Tang Game

Power Stone
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"Godzilla could be anyone."

[This Machine Kills Fascis]

Let's talk about Tribes 2, because skiing:



For those who don't know: Skiing in Tribes was the result of a glitch that turned out to be so fun and exploitable that it became a core piece of gameplay. Similar to the rocket jump in Quake or comboing in SF2.
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[A New Duck]

[allensmithee]

[Focus]

I'm immediately thinking of the Resident Evil series, if only for the stumbly 3D "movement" with the 2D rendered areas. Obviously, doesn't take advantage of the for-the-time NEW 3D, but felt necessary and developmental?
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[chevluh]

That'd rather be Alone in the Dark, four years earlier.

[shrugtheironteacup]

[shrugtheironteacup]

YES :|

It was a pretty slow, stately game and and I was 13/14 so I never paid for it. Some other kid on AOL wanted to start an E-ZINE around it and I wrote some things for it and it was probably awful (we were 13/14 after all).

[Rud31]

Move to KOP. this is what we need guyz.
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[boojiboy7]

[TMFK]

Did Wipe Out and Omega Boost feel interesting or were they just cool? I've heard that Wipe Out created a really effective illusion of controllable super-speed.

[Shiren the Launderer]

[Wall of Beef]

[Wall of Beef]

[Loki Laufeyson]

what about the mouse-controlled 3d shooting game virus, for the amiga? infamous for being incredibly difficult just to control


it got a playstation sequel entitled v2000

thirding the call to move this to kop
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[boojiboy7]

[Wall of Beef]

[Glam Grimfire]

i used to own one of the wu-tang controllers, it collapsed my wrist.

wu-tang hand aint nothin to fuck with
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[TMFK]

[CubaLibre]

[This Machine Kills Fascis]

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

Sentinel (this one) was probably one of the first puzzle games to really take advantage of 3D space.

[Wall of Beef]

[parker]

Fellas it's perfectly safe outside the axe bunker and has been for years those sirens were a false alarm.

I don't think I have much to say about this subject except I'm really sick and tired of staring at my characters ass or shoulders every game and wish somebody would try something with a resident evil fixed camera angle type of deal again.
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[CubaLibre]

you can thank gears for that mess.

i just played through brothers: a tale of two sons recently (or is it sons: a tale of two brothers, i can never remember) and it's a delightful game in a lot of ways (although definitely not "maybe the most important game ever made" what are you even talking about skye) but the first thing i noticed about it was that it had an actual perspective and camera, rather than just relinquishing camera control to the player via rightstick (since rightstick moves one of the characters). i was like, man, all games used to be like this. it was nice to let the game frame its own shots and deal with that hassle for me so i could just control the actual game. gave me a real ico vibe
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[boojiboy7]

I dunno, i would place the blame before even gears, like RE4 did it for one.

[shrugtheironteacup]

I had trouble with the Brothers demo because it needs fingers on both sticks and as soon as a thought other than "guiding these dudes" crossed my mind right thumb would instinctively start moving the right stick to control a camera that didn't want controlling and bro2 is suddenly off in a bush someplace
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[TMFK]

[Laurel Soup]

There was a Quake mod that attempted to de-make the game into something approximating the 4D Boxing style of Money for Nothing flatly colored polygons. I think it was getting a pretty decent frame rate on a 386.

I've never been able to figure out Amiga emulation enough to play Hunter, but that's start of the DMA/Rockstar 3d open world family tree that contains Body Harvest and GTAIII. It sounds like it was a heavy inspiration for Just Cause 2's setting too.
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[Laurel Soup]

With all the Xenogears talk, I guess it's worthwhile to cross reference this thread: http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewtopic.php?t=36457
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[DJ]

Really seconding the PSX era Armored Core games. The controls are funky and sort of pre-3D but the level layout is almost painfully forward thinking when it really has no business doing that. There's a section from the first game where you can find a hidden area that's just a bunch of platforms jutting out of either side of a metal canyon with a giant abyss yawning below it was terrifying to me as a kid because it's clear the kind of scope they were going for but the tech just wasn't there yet.
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[This Machine Kills Fascis]

Alright: let's KOP this whenever a mod gets a chance.
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[Tulpa]

There's a million things I want to post but I'll start with Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri



Tribes is very obviously indebted to this game. Heck, even today the landscapes are somewhat mesmerizing, using the austerity of early 3d to give a sense of monumental scale.

It's pretty much where 'squad-based' shooters come from as a whole. I love this game.
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[Wall of Beef]

Did they have to be so on-the-nose with the sound effect for laser fire?
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