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Goddamn Zelda Canon Thread (yes, seriously)

 
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Ni Go Zero Ichi



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:42 pm        Reply with quote

I know more about Zelda canon than I should but I also kind of hate every Zelda game after Wind Waker on those grounds.

Zelda Musou is obv. non-canon, just like Link's Crossbow Training

I hope
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:51 pm        Reply with quote

Putting it out there right now that Wind Waker is the only game in the series to use its direct canon relationship to a past game in any meaningful, non-fanservicey way.
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Ni Go Zero Ichi



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:00 am        Reply with quote

Canon-wise, Zelda kinda runs into the same problem as Castlevania in that the developers really obviously only started caring about plot after they'd already been making the games for like 15 years, at which point a dedicated series producer came onto the scene (Aonuma and Igarashi, respectively) and took it upon himself to try and fashion a coherent timeline out of a bunch of games that clearly had little to no thought put into anything resembling continuity. The results, predictably, are a schizophrenic mess.

Really I'm still convinced (despite Link Between Worlds restoring some of my faith in the series) that Zelda just needs a complete franchise reboot, where all the shackles of series canon and gameplay traditions are dropped save for a few essential elements (the Triforce, the Link/Zelda/Ganondorf trinity, the general mythology of Hyrule, the whimsical/mythic tone, the puzzle/action gameplay, the emphasis on exploration, etc.) and a team of totally fresh-faced developers (like, say, Retro Studios) are allowed a chance at radically reimagining the game for a different era. Kind of like what Lords of Shadow was supposed to be, minus the all-around mediocrity.

It's bern way too long since Nintendo did anything to shock their fans.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:06 pm        Reply with quote

schroeder wrote:
My personal Zelda canon is like A New Duck's: One story, told and embellished again and again. I mean, I get that this thread isn't about that and I'm sorry. But I like looking at the world of each game and trying to plot its mythical features against some (always unseen) "real" Hyrule. In this case any inconsistencies are just poetic license, like the parting of the Red Sea vs. Sea of Reeds.

But what about the games that explicitly reference events of previous games

(Which is something like at least half of them)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 8:58 pm        Reply with quote

Renfrew wrote:
I think it would be pretty neat if they would use the engine they used for 3ds Occarina of Time to start making sequels to The 64 duology in the style of those games. Link could just be wandering around the world, slightly older in each installment, going to new lands or falling in new portals to alternate dimensions

Man, anything that might relieve some of the development teams from the creativity-killing pressure of having to make 100% sure that each and every new title is A Goddamn Zelda Game. This fixation on living up to itself has done the same thing to Zelda that it did to The Simpsons.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:12 am        Reply with quote

A New Duck wrote:
I must confess I spent little to no time with Skyward Sword, Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks.

You didn't miss much.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:34 am        Reply with quote

Phantom Hourglass was decent but mostly forgettable. The touch controls were novel but still ultimately a gimmick. And you're better off for having never played Spirit Tracks.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:07 pm        Reply with quote

Okay yes, the note-scribbling feature was the most ingenious aspect of the DS Zeldas and I sincerely wish that every game with a map could have that option.

The Ocean King's dungeon was somewhat novel I guess but I remember almost nothing about it except for the general concept.
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