[Felix]

the Four Kings had a bit of Gwyn's, like Seath

and I agree with remote re: simulacra


DJ can you just fucking tell us about darklurker already, we're not gonna get it

[Kinto]

If Solaire linked the flame (or even just defeated Gwyn) he would've ended up with Gwyn's soul anyway, come to think of it.

The idiot probably wanted a tall castle to get closer to the sun or something.
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[DJ]

Oh for fuck's sake.
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[TXTSWORD]

Oh. Wow. Why didn't they just use the original assets? Why did they bother making an updated version?

[mauve]

i don't think i would have put that together even if i -had- played king's field back in the day

i mean they're pretty different looking.
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[Felix]

wait what seriously?

so is it actually supposed to be Seath in human form on top of all that?

I ... eh. I like it better as the chosen undead.

[8128]

everything's canon
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[apfEID]

So what's the boss of the OG japan only King's Field and do they appear in Demon's? Because having the final boss of King's Field (2) Guyra/Kalameet in Dark Souls and then the final boss of King's Field 3 in Dark 2 is pretty cool. Both are optional end game fights as well.
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[Felix]

[Kinto]

Yo I already tried that and the boss proceeded to give me an over-zealous high five.

I'm totally baffled about what DJ's video is supposed to be showing me or what it's in response to :c
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[Ronnoc]

Wourme and I were talking about this the other day. Does the ring that 'reads enemies thoughts' work on bosses?

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[remote]

oh, i assumed that one would let you hear invaders in voice chat but idk
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[Glam Grimfire]

hey guys
ive spent over 200 hours with dark souls
i just noticed that solaire can mean 'sole heir' and 'sol heir'
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[Ronnoc]

[DJ]

[Felix]

Huh, really? Then what's the deal with the colonist guy you kill right after Freja?

I dunno, seems unnecessary to me.

[mauve]

yeah i'm having trouble buying that one at this time.
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[Schwere Viper]

Well geez, now we just need to work out the direct link to Armored Core's lore and we'll have a grand old FROMverse to write fanfiction about.
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[TXTSWORD]

Wow, yeah I would have never figured that out haha. That's really neat, thank you for sharing, DJ :3

IDK I guess I didn't see that hollow as a good candidate for Seath. More likely just a prominent figure in the mining town that went hollow. That's all. So no love lost on that theory.

[DJ]

I mean look at it this way: It's intentionally vague enough that you can essentially layer whatever fits on there, same as Dark 1. There was some stuff in Dark Souls 1 that I know for a fact was not the intended narrative from From, but it was so widely accepted by the fan community that they just rolled with it after a while, so who knows.

Also for the record here: I don't have some magic internal document that explained that to me, that is what myself and a lot of other people pieced together over a long time. There's a teensy bit of insider info in there but honestly not much, but there is certainly a chance that we misinterpreted it and the "truth" is actually something else (or there simply is no truth, take your pick).

That goes for everything. Anything I know that people can't theoretically figure out for themselves I'm not putting on the table (and honestly that is incredibly little and very inconsequential information).
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[Felix]

yeah, I mean, generally I'm all in favour of "judge only the work as it is complete before you"

... which is why I'm not buying this business with the Darklurker!

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[Broco]

Yeah I don't buy your story either DJ. You had a longer time to think about it, but within an echo chamber with few people to challenge your interpretation. I'd rather adopt one that survives internet debate.

As far as I can tell Seath is dead and gone and since then there's been a new sequence of historical events in the location he used to reside in that in some ways are uncannily similar to the previous era (which is a theme of this game). There is really no cause for including Seath in any interpretation, nothing refers to him or looks like him. Also, it seems to me the giant who stole the Ancient Dragon's appearance and powers must play a key role in the events here.

[Felix]

-- stole, or was GIVEN BY ALDIA AND VENDRICK (DUN DUN DUNNN)

[mauve]

yeah I like the interpretation that Aldia went forth to recreate dragons in the world using the power of the giants, it's very consistent with what it seemed like they were up to over there. Aldia was experimenting on making various creatures, and maybe succeeded where he really shouldn't have! If the age of fire began at the death of dragons, why not try to bring them back? (aside from them being generally incompatible with the rest of existence) the 'falling out' the two are described as having may be largely because of this success; vendrick didn't exactly want things that could kill him around, most likely.

darklurker.. yeah sorry there is nothing in there that says Seath to me. aside from having never been human even once, dude used sorceries, not dark and not pyro. freja also conveniently has seath laser and that makes infinitely more sense in context, especially with old paledrake soul around.

so where i (semi-jokingly) want to go is 'who had four arms, two of which never move'? well....

i am, however, sort of inclined to go with the whole 'previous chosen undead' thing, given the nature of what sort of enemies are spawned there. perhaps you're going through the darklurker's own memories on your way there...
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[Broco]

Yeah it seems like Vendrick, Nashandra and Aldia united their powers of strength, craftiness and creativity to go conquer the giants and bring back their powers. But when the kingdom was at peace, their different priorities came to the fore and the kingdom became balkanized. This disunion created an opportunity for the giants to come back and destroy them. The story is a cross between King Lear and Macbeth.

I don't know that the Darklurker needs explaining, it's just a being of darkness, naturally to be found deep in the earth.

[mauve]

too inexplicable, too many questions on the way there (havel? ricard? various other flashbacks to other enemies from ds1, that only the player would know all of? bluh?)
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[Broco]

If the Darklurker was the chosen undead they should've imported my old Dark Souls save and then have Darklurker based on him 40 hours later when I've totally forgotten about that.

[mauve]

The more I think about it the more I think it really does sound like a fit for the Dark Lord ending. Someone who turned his back on kindling the flame in order to rule over the dark, and in turn becoming the loneliest of all, summoning up shades of his past while hiding deep, deep away. Especially if someone else kindled the flame after, which would send much of the dark away into hiding.
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[Broco]

Maybe one chosen undead is Vendrick and another one is Darklurker? Darklurker was a mage and Vendrick was a melee character.

Everybody always said your character will hollow eventually. But it doesn't happen in the timeframe of the game. Maybe with such a powerful undead, it can take much longer.

[mauve]

I just watched a video of the fight again, and the darklurker does use his bottom two arms for one attack: the pyromancy. HMM yeah I think there's some relevance there.
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[Felix]

Yeah, I'm pretty content with where we've arrived here

[mauve]

clearly the real chosen undead had four arms and simply switched which two he was using at the time when it was time to change equipment
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[TXTSWORD]

I think it's too weird that the dark lurker would be seath and yet not be seath (and seath isn't seath) if you know what I mean.

[mauve]

http://seesaawiki.jp/project_dark2/d/%b0%c7%c0%f8%a4%df

fwiw the Japanese wiki does mention the King's Field 2 boss, but they don't know any more than we do really and it's just speculation. At least someone put that together! I still don't think it's this world's Seath though.
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[mauve]

...where is that

even though my shop senses are tingling
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[remote]

http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkSouls2/comments/21xgnb/from_software_legitimately_april_fooled_me/
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[mauve]

oh okay. shop senses were on course.

i was more bothered that i couldn't identify where it was than anything else.
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