[miaou]

Leave it to selectbutton to complain about the premise of a video or article and not pay any attention to its content.

[Talbain]

[Ymer]

[OffalAl]

[Ymer]

fuck, I feel pretty bad if I made a huge mistake here
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[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

tbh I don't really see a huge difference in style or substance between the silly hand puppet telling you what to believe or Anita staring into the camera telling you what to believe

At least the puppet is slightly better versed in the academic theories he's mindlessly repeating as though they were his own
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[OffalAl]

find it pretty hard to believe you've actually watched both things if you feel that way, but OK i guess :(
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[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

Maybe I just hate the entire "amateur lectures the camera" format of internet videos, iunno
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[OffalAl]

[Adilegian]

[analogos]

i'm not saying that dude's video is an ideal anyone should strive for, it just struck me as a funny thing to complain about given the majority of what we have to compare it to. i'd prefer a million more people appropriating academia badly if it meant a million less facepulling shoutboxes

[Talbain]

[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

[Talbain]

It's kinda sad that we're debating this at all (whether it was set up in some way feels like denial/justification). As miaou said they've lost a sale. I'm... glad I didn't buy the original now. Feel really uneasy about Platinum at this point.
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[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

I mean I think you guys are kinda rushing to judgment over a moderately ambiguous 30-second clip but... whatever

There's a decent possibility I will buy it soon so I guess I'll report back on whether this part is actually what it looks like when I get there
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[Rei]

[tiburon]

[kitroebuck]

I haven't said anything about this yet, but I've been following it from before the beginning (I was a fan of Sarkeesian before her videogame kickstarter) and y'all are sort of touching on something now that's been bothering me. Basically, I don't think any of this is funny at all. Like, look at this interview with Zoe Quinn. (Probably doesn't need a trigger warning, but I find it very uncomfortable.)

See, what I see there is a human being that is very hurt and very desperate, and I don't think that the fact that Gamergate is responsible is a subject of serious debate. As far as I'm concerned, until that person (and all the others that have been terrorized) feels safe again, which may be never, there's nothing to be said to the group that did it to her. That's not to say that we can't talk about whatever issues we have, but goddamn it peoples' lives are more important. All these abstractions are absurd in the face of real-world damage like that.

So yeah, I find these responses from puppets, or chipmunks, or auto-tunes, or even faux neo-conservatives pretty inappropriate. I mean, it's grown-up time. Drop the persona.

[miaou]

Maddy Myers had a good Bayonnaise article in Paste today http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/10/femme-doms-of-videogames-bayonetta-doesnt-care-if.html

[tacotaskforce]

[This Machine Kills Fascis]

Uh.... So can you make her nude with her hands behind her back in the game or is that a mod?

That seems like the question.

Are people not watching both videos?

In one she's nude and restrained, in the other she just ends up on the ground in a default costume.

If the former is a mod then there's no reason for Platinum to "lose a sale," right?
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[Talbain]

[Zmann]

[This Machine Kills Fascis]

[This Machine Kills Fascis]

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

[This Machine Kills Fascis]

[Zmann]

I find myself passively annoyed by the tone of Bayonetta, but I think it plays really well, so I have both games. I don't like getting "caught" by other people when I'm playing it, though. (i.e. I intentionally put the box away when I knew my sister was coming to visit). I'm not particularly embarrassed by it, but I'd also rather not explain it to other people.

[Talbain]

[kitroebuck]

[tiburon]

[misadventurous]

[idle]

[Ymer]

[Brooks]

[idle]

[Talbain]

[tacotaskforce]

To me it looks more like she's blocking a view of her ass from the camera. Based on shots in both games I'd say she's aware of the camera's existence.

And as has been mentioned previously, Rodin, the character she is fighting, is her friend and probably the only man on the planet Bayonetta respects. I'm not at all surprised that this is what Bayonetta would consider normal sex.
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[miaou]

She is naked, nursing her rear, and her shoulders are moving like she is sobbing, while the demon flicks away a cigarette. The implication should be obvious. Even in the version where she is wearing an alternate outfit that does not disappear, the animations are the same and remain distressing.

What is most disturbing about it to me (and YMMV) is that this 'joke' is a special treat for those who made it to the secret bonus boss fight, which is the only place you would see it in the game. I can just imagine teenage boys (and the adult gamers who socialise like teenage boys) making a brag about their gaming skills presenting this shocking moment as evidence of their knowledge about the game - "I bet you didn't know this was in the game! It's edgy, so it's hilarious!". I am shocked that a developer would do that to Bayonetta, provide this brag at her expense, put her in her place. As someone who wants to embody a female avatar in a game it's another betrayal, another 'want to look at her, but don't dare want to be her' (which we get with almost every female protagonist).

I actually want to like Bayonetta but I can't because as TMKF put it so well "sexualization and power are intermingled so haphazardly". Every aspect I want to like is in conflict with aspects that are ambiguous out of carelessness (to be charitable), or just offensive. And I can't just ignore it and play the game, nor do I think I should subject myself to that to 'be fair' (it isn't fair to me) or to be a tru gamur (which, although selectbuttoners may scoff at 'gamer culture', comes across in responses even here). God Hand is fun to play but I haven't beaten it because of its sense of humour. Bayonetta is not routinely as alienating as God Hand but it has its moments, and this rapey moment solidifies my intention not to acquire Bayonetta 2 in a way that PlatinumGames will see any profit from, if at all (as there is little I feel I am able to do about it other than to not pay for it).

[Ni Go Zero Ichi]

I honestly don't know if I would have processed that brief sight gag as a rape joke (or… rapey joke) had it not been pointed out to me as such

I mean, I think it's ambiguous enough that it doesn't necessitate being read as a reference to rape, but it's hard to say how much my perception is impacted by the fact that I don't want to think of it as a reference to rape, because that would definitely dampen the fun of the game's playful atmosphere.

Even under the most uncharitable interpretation, I'm not about to boycott the entire game, let alone call for Platinum's head, over a single tasteless gag that most people won't even see, let alone get; but it'll definitely hang over my head, when and if I get the game. On the other hand, even under the most generous interpretation it's still undeniable that the joke is based on the conflation of violence and sex, and I can fully understand why that would make some people uncomfortable.
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[idle]